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although i did mean prep school, not high school

This is silly. He shouldn’t still be in high school. He’s the same kinda freshman that Gary Clark was, that Jarron Cumberland was, that Jacob Evans was.

He’s a freshman in college.

Prince Gilliam. Now that’s a guy who’s first year should been in high school. Which is why he redshirted. He was a true reclassify.
 
right i agree with all that.


but he wanted to go to the 2020 class, and he could have used it because of his ankle injury. then he found out he couldn't go to his prep school and he had nowhere to go so he stayed 2019.

he really could have used that year for him. uc benefited from him not getting it because he likely wouldn't have come here.


or he could have used a red-shirt this year. we weren't in a spot to give one.



His ankle injury hadn’t happened yet.

I believe it happened In Jan of 2019

This decision was all about restarting his recruitment to get away from his bad press because a lot of schools had backed off of him.

That’s it.
 
This is silly. He shouldn’t still be in high school. He’s the same kinda freshman that Gary Clark was, that Jarron Cumberland was, that Jacob Evans was.

He’s a freshman in college.

Prince Gilliam. Now that’s a guy who’s first year should been in high school. Which is why he redshirted. He was a true reclassify.

Gary was a 20 year old freshman

https://gobearcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/gary-clark/7097

But Justin is right here. Zach should be a college freshman right now. He's 19.
 
Gary was a 20 year old freshman

https://gobearcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/gary-clark/7097

But Justin is right here. Zach should be a college freshman right now. He's 19.


I just meant that Gary was a 4 year high school player. He didn’t go to prep school.

I have no idea why some kids end up being 20 as freshman.

I was 17 through my entire senior year of high school and didn’t turn 18 until late July.

But I guess it all depends on if you did 2 years of preschool and when your birthday falls
 
i'm not really sure what argument you guys think im trying to make.


If Harvey could have gone to prep school, or red-shirted this season, then he could have been 100% healthy for his freshman year.


As it is he really couldn't play much at all before mid feb. Kind of a wasted year for him and his career.


Thats all I'm saying. Harvey is a year younger than MAW almost to the day and a year and a half younger than Davenport.

Guys go to prep school for all kinds of reasons.
 
I just meant that Gary was a 4 year high school player. He didn’t go to prep school.

I have no idea why some kids end up being 20 as freshman.

I was 17 through my entire senior year of high school and didn’t turn 18 until late July.

But I guess it all depends on if you did 2 years of preschool and when your birthday falls

I get your point. I am just calling a spade a spade and pointing out Gary did have the advantage of being older.

Gary was older than Troy(Soph) when he got here. I don't think it's going to define your career, but initially it has to be an advantage being older.
 
i'm not really sure what argument you guys think im trying to make.


If Harvey could have gone to prep school, or red-shirted this season, then he could have been 100% healthy for his freshman year.


As it is he really couldn't play much at all before mid feb. Kind of a wasted year for him and his career.


Thats all I'm saying. Harvey is a year younger than MAW almost to the day and a year and a half younger than Davenport.

Guys go to prep school for all kinds of reasons.

Your original point sounded like you were defending ZH's lack of success because he was young. At least thats what it sounded like to me. Justin pointed out he isn't young. Sounds like a misunderstanding.
 
Your original point sounded like you were defending ZH's lack of success because he was young. At least thats what it sounded like to me. Justin pointed out he isn't young.

Age had absolutely nothing to do with it, I didn't even have any idea what his age was.


I just knew he wanted to go to the 2020 class. And with the injury, it probably would have been better for him.
 
Age had absolutely nothing to do with it, I didn't even have any idea what his age was.


I just knew he wanted to go to the 2020 class. And with the injury, it probably would have been better for him.

I just dunno how much he actually WANTED to go to the 2020 class. After he announced his movement to 2020, he was going on official visits to Xavier in Jan 2019 as a member of the 2019 class. And it seemed very much like it was there a silent commitment made to Xavier.

I mean the dude was getting official visits to Gonzaga, Kansas wanted him bad. I think he was hoping that removing himself from the 2019 class would bring those kinda offers back in 2020.


He certainly had no intentions to go to prep school for anything on the court. He was already a top 50 recruit in 247.




I think we can settle on this... he's a true freshman who is 19 years old and is playing better but not top 50 level. Likely that is due to him missing time for surgery.

Hopefully, we see much better from him, because he is a smooth athlete who has great body control and has shown flashes. But today, 29 games in, he still very much looks like a work in progress.
 
Harvey and maw will be good players. They might not to all time great, like jarron or sk, or even Jacob but they will be very good. Like a Troy. They both have skills, and length. This summer will help them out a lot. They will know what to expect. And it will be their team. Aside from Keith.
 
I continue to submit that Vogt lost us as many games (or more) than he won for us, even early in the season.

He was at least arguably doing more good than harm when he was scoring. Now he is borderline unplayable with his defense and lack of scoring.

The difference between the defensive abilities of Vogt and Diarra is huge. When Vogt is in we double Vogt's man, collapse more guys to the paint to provide help and have trouble stopping the drive. With Diarra in we don't need to double, Diarra cuts off drives before they even start and provides good help defense in the paint (though he is still learning when to go for the block and when he should back-off and box-out).

Diarra is averaging only 1.3 fewer points in conference than Vogt, rebounds better, defends better and can stretch the floor by shooting threes. Yes, he is more mistake prone, but we've seen that if he's given time and a chance to play through the mistakes, he is a better player than Vogt (and has way more potential).

This team wouldn't even be sniffing the NCAA's if it weren't for Vogt early in the season.
 
Seems like most here are less impressed with
MAW than I am.
I think he needs more touches (highest FG%,
3 pt %, FT %), can take it to the hole, handles are
pretty good.
Doesn’t score as much as Jarron as Fr cause he
doesnt shoot as much.
Decent D tho as most Fr, too many reach in fouls
esp 30 ft from basket but that’s getting better.
 
I was trying to think about our long season of never playing well on both sides of the ball at the same time.


Was the 13 minute stretch vs USF the longest we've played well on both sides all season?
 
I was trying to think about our long season of never playing well on both sides of the ball at the same time.


Was the 13 minute stretch vs USF the longest we've played well on both sides all season?



I felt like at home vs Tenn we had stretches of both, vs Tulsa, and SMU as well.
 
I felt like at home vs Tenn we had stretches of both, vs Tulsa, and SMU as well.


yeah about the same in those games too.



this team has so many of those stretches where they really act like they don't know what a basketball is. those stretches are responsible for so many of our losses.


We'll have these stretches were a bunch of our turnovers come in a 6 minute span. Or vs Houston the vast majority of their offensive boards were in like a 7 minute span.


The hope was by the end of the year that would get cleaned up, but it just never happened.
 
yeah about the same in those games too.



this team has so many of those stretches where they really act like they don't know what a basketball is. those stretches are responsible for so many of our losses.


We'll have these stretches were a bunch of our turnovers come in a 6 minute span. Or vs Houston the vast majority of their offensive boards were in like a 7 minute span.


The hope was by the end of the year that would get cleaned up, but it just never happened.


I think our best chance to make a late season run is a combination of a few things.

1.) Cleaning up the turnovers- Self explanatory


2.) Getting a more efficient Jarron Cumberland

Since his injury at WSU, he is shooting 16-64 from the field. (25%)

I am not putting blame on him here. If he's injured, he's injured. Hard to expect the same player as last season if he's not healthy.

The rest of the team needs to be more assertive so Jarron isn't taking shots he isn't healthy enough to make. Maybe run less sets for him. If Keith can penetrate, Jarron can get some catch and shoot 3's that aren't as physically demanding.

3.) Dou being consistent enough to eat into some of Vogt minutes

You cannot ignore how much better we looked on Tuesday down the stretch. If Dou can be consistent, no reason he can't be out there for 18-22 minutes a game. This helps CV's ability to be more aggressive on D as well....if Chris is only going to play 25 minutes.


It's a lot to ask.....but why not us
 
Even in Diarra's most amazing game ever the other day, he was still unusable in the first half.


There are very specific situations where Diarra's skill set on defense is a perfect fit and it make sense to use him.


But bad Diarra is really really bad. He gets out of position, he acts all confused, he'll turn it over a ton.


If the opposing team ever throws it to the low post on offense, thats not likely to be a game Diarra plays a lot.
 
Agree on Dou.
While comeback win was fantastic to see and Dou
contributed quite a bit & is improving, let’s not forget
it was USF. Their record is what it is for a reason.
Me thinks in part they woke up from their dream
state (aided by us) & we took advantage.
A better team maybe not.
 
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