What's it going to take?

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Bulldog01 said:
Bro nts, when last time one of our non bigs got a dunk? Shaq got one if lob last game but before that I couldn't tell you. I don't think none of our current guards has more than 2 on season. This is the least athletic team Mick has probably ever had. Our guards couldn't go around anybody last night and when they did couldn't elevate in paint to get off shot
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Shaq and KJ only ones with athleticism. Neither can dribble the ball well enough to get dunks off. That Coleman kid was flatfoot dunking at 6'2'' and has handles. Damn, I wish we could land him or a guy like that.
 
Agree with more Deberry/Evans because they seem to do more when they are in the game. Ellis seems like half the player he was last year.
 
UCBearcats said:
Everyone who reads my posts knows that I'm not a big supporter of Mick Cronin, I think he's an average coach at best. Regardless of what I think and debating the merits of his coaching ability back and forth I pose a different question......What's it going to take for us to elevate UC sports back to a level where we can realistically compete for championships?

Mick Cronin most likely isn't going to get fired as UC's coach and Tommy T most likely isn't going anywhere as football coach. Our administration and a large chunk of our fans seem to be okay with mediocrity. We just got the football renovation and the 5/3rd renovation is coming. In the 10 years Mick has been here we play 60% of our home games to a mostly empty arena but that doesn't seem to matter. As much as we all like to complain we have a pretty solid foundation with our fan base. There are lot of fans, myself included, who will attend games and support athletics no matter what the results. If you want to appeal to the masses you've got to win and win at the highest level. UC Football did it for a stretch and the people came like never before. Mick has yet to galvanize the entire fan base in his 10 years here and I don't see that changing any time soon.

UC Sports as a whole seem to be circling the drain right now. Football is regressing, Basketball is flat (while our entire roster is regressing) and we're stuck in the AAC with no foreseeable way out.

Assuming that nothing changes, we keep the same AD and head coaches we have today, what needs to happen to get us back to a level where we can compete for championships, sell tickets at a high level and pressure the Power 5 into having no choice but to take us in next time there's an expansion?
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I think what else it will take is a leader like a Sean Kirkpatrick. That's the thing that I liked most about him. He was always going to give it his all. He use to put videos up of him playing at 2AM. Talent wise he didn't have that much around him his senior year unfortunately. Our recruiting classes coming in have been legit not spectacular but decent enough. We need that one guy to step up and lead the team if we had that this year, I see it going a lot different.
 
UCBearcats said:
Stepping up recruiting would certainly help. It's pretty hard for anyone to argue at this point that we can do better on that front.

Someone brought up earlier if Mick's assistants ever question him. I think there HAS to be a shakeup on this staff before next season. We need better assistants, better X's and O's guys and Mick needs to seek their advice and not use them only as a sounding board for his frustrations.

I doubt we're going to get our fan base to call for Mick's head but maybe enough people can push for some sort of change that helps move us forward in the right direction.
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Rodney Crawford might be interesting as an Asst. He was at Duquesne and Eastern Kentucky, and is now at Fordham.
 
For everyone saying we're only a couple possessions away from being a top 10 team, While that may be true, right now or resume is that of a bubble team. There is no margin for error. This league is not respected by the committee and if there are any more bad losses this "most talented" team of Micks will not make the tourney.
Im really questioning Mick this year, for the first time.
 
IDC said:
For everyone saying we're only a couple possessions away from being a top 10 team, While that may be true, right now or resume is that of a bubble team. There is no margin for error. This league is not respected by the committee and if there are any more bad losses this "most talented" team of Micks will not make the tourney.
Im really questioning Mick this year, for the first time.
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while I think there are legitimate concerns about the teams performance this year. I still
see some upside with the overall direction of program. Facility upgrades, good incoming and returning talent next year and hopefully a strong finish to this tear.
 
IDC said:
For everyone saying we're only a couple possessions away from being a top 10 team, While that may be true, right now or resume is that of a bubble team. There is no margin for error. This league is not respected by the committee and if there are any more bad losses this "most talented" team of Micks will not make the tourney.
Im really questioning Mick this year, for the first time.
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True! We don't get those games/possessions back. We need to kill it for the rest of the year. Making the tourney is an absolute minimum must for me and even just doing that could be questionable without at least moderate success once/if we get there.

This is my "no excuses" year for the coaching staff. Get it done...or maybe it's time to move on to greener pastures. We have a team that could have won games against 3 top tier programs this year and we lost every one. That's not a good recipe for post season success. There is a light that our coach must turn on...and it has to come on now.

One of my main problems with Cronin right now is hearing him in pressers saying " he doesn't really care about wins and losses and rankings etc because he will be back next year". He thinks the players are the one's who need to be immediately concerned about wins and losses. When the coach stops caring about wins and losses (his legacy basically)...I think we have a problem. I understand what he is saying...but that strategy doesn't seem to be working right now. It's time for the coach to be passionate again. I don't care about his daughters homework....he's the coach of a D1 BB program. If he doesn't care enough about it...he's not going to be successful. If he would rather be a good father than a good coach I can respect that...but that seems to be the crossroads we are at.
 
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waterhead said:
True! We don't get those games/possessions back. We need to kill it for the rest of the year. Making the tourney is an absolute minimum must for me and even just doing that could be questionable without at least moderate success once/if we get there.

This is my "no excuses" year for the coaching staff. Get it done...or maybe it's time to move on to greener pastures. We have a team that could have won games against 3 top tier programs this year and we lost every one. That's not a good recipe for post season success. There is a light that our coach must turn on...and it has to come on now.

One of my main problems with Cronin right now is hearing him in pressers saying " he doesn't really care about wins and losses and rankings etc because he will be back next year". He thinks the players are the one's who need to be immediately concerned about wins and losses. When the coach stops caring about wins and losses (his legacy basically)...I think we have a problem. I understand what he is saying...but that strategy doesn't seem to be working right now. It's time for the coach to be passionate again. I don't care about his daughters homework....he's the coach of a D1 BB program. If he doesn't care enough about it...he's not going to be successful. If he would rather be a good father than a good coach I can respect that...but that seems to be the crossroads we are at.
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i have know issue with his approach. He is telling the team, he can not want to win more then they do. If he has to coach effort it takes time away from other aspects. Look at the difference in our defense the last two games. We haven't guarded that way all year. Do I wish he would keep it out of his pressers, you bet.
 
First, it is going to take a new coach. There isn't a face for the basketball program. Huggins sold tickets just because of who he was. Like it or not, it's true. Cronin is not a likeable or magnetic personality.he is faceless.the players he brings in are faceless. Remember Levitt? Average player but man could he get three crowd going.Martin? Brought the house down Sr. Night. Van Exel? Even Durden brought excitement. When have we last had faces like that? If you don't have the players on the court who can bring that excitement, it better be coming from the man pacing the sideline. Football has their QBs to keep people coming to Nippert. We have Cronin. Yawn.
 
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Amberlycolonel said:
First, it is going to take a new coach. There isn't a face for the basketball program. Huggins sold tickets just because of who he was. Like it or not, it's true. Cronin is not a likeable or magnetic personality.he is faceless.the players he brings in are faceless. Remember Levitt? Average player but man could he get three crowd going.Martin? Brought the house down Sr. Night. Van Exel? Even Durden brought excitement. When have we last had faces like that? If you don't have the players on the court who can bring that excitement, it better be coming from the man pacing the sideline. Football has their QBs to keep people coming to Nippert. We have Cronin. Yawn.
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Gates. Lance. Sk. JJ. Cash.
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
i have know issue with his approach. He is telling the team, he can not want to win more then they do. If he has to coach effort it takes time away from other aspects. Look at the difference in our defense the last two games. We haven't guarded that way all year. Do I wish he would keep it out of his pressers, you bet.
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I don't mind that approach either. Saying you don't coach for wins and losses is a little much...but the overall message has been very consistent for weeks now. The coaches can't play for you, and at the end of the day they can't be the ones who motivate you. Mick has left it up to the players more this year than it seems like any year before. I think that approach will pay off in the long run.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
I don't mind that approach either. Saying you don't coach for wins and losses is a little much...but the overall message has been very consistent for weeks now. The coaches can't play for you, and at the end of the day they can't be the ones who motivate you. Mick has left it up to the players more this year than it seems like any year before. I think that approach will pay off in the long run.
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After they graduate?
 
waterhead said:
True! We don't get those games/possessions back. We need to kill it for the rest of the year. Making the tourney is an absolute minimum must for me and even just doing that could be questionable without at least moderate success once/if we get there.

This is my "no excuses" year for the coaching staff. Get it done...or maybe it's time to move on to greener pastures. We have a team that could have won games against 3 top tier programs this year and we lost every one. That's not a good recipe for post season success. There is a light that our coach must turn on...and it has to come on now.

One of my main problems with Cronin right now is hearing him in pressers saying " he doesn't really care about wins and losses and rankings etc because he will be back next year". He thinks the players are the one's who need to be immediately concerned about wins and losses. When the coach stops caring about wins and losses (his legacy basically)...I think we have a problem. I understand what he is saying...but that strategy doesn't seem to be working right now. It's time for the coach to be passionate again. I don't care about his daughters homework....he's the coach of a D1 BB program. If he doesn't care enough about it...he's not going to be successful. If he would rather be a good father than a good coach I can respect that...but that seems to be the crossroads we are at.
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He's not to the Tuberville level of stupid comments but that was a really strange encounter. Mick is too defensive all the time.
 

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