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I'm not. Is that all you have to say?

I agree with you on the Dixon part. I like a guy who plays with a little cocky-ness and confidence.

As for the offense. Same high ball screen from Jackson and Gaines. A lot of the 3's that were attempted were well beyond the 3 point line. Quite a few were even takin with guys in their face.

I did see a little more fast paced tempo as I mentioned before, but majority of the offense was very similar to what we've seen. Except this time they were shooting into the ocean
 
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You don't shoot 14-32 from 3 by taking a bunch of contested shots.

[You want this team to play with confidence but you don't want Dion to dribble between his legs because it is street ball? How OLD are you? Seriously.



I would much rather see 32 threes in a game than 15 threes and 17 shots from 15-20 feet. The 15-20 foot jump shot is the most worthless shot in basketball any more.

AMEN to your whole post, but especially these parts.
 
I agree with you on the Dixon part. I like a guy who plays with a little cocky-ness and confidence.

As for the offense. Same high ball screen from Jackson and Gaines. A lot of the 3's that were attempted were well beyond the 3 point line. Quite a few were even takin with guys in their face.

I did see a little more fast paced tempo as I mentioned before, but majority of the offense was very similar to what we've seen. Except this time they were shooting into the ocean

If you have any of the previous games recorded and this one, go back and watch bits and pieces of both. You'll see that the high ball screen is the same, BUT there is no other big on the post. In previous games, someone would set the high screen and the other big would be on the opposite post working to get position. This clogged the lane and essentially eliminated the roll off the pick and also the drive from the top of the key. What you will see in yesterday's game is Jackson or Gaines starting on the block (or deeper) and come to set a screen. It would be followed by a roll to the basket and then a clear out by the big man if he didn't receive the ball. This opened up the driving lanes and allowed Dixon and Cash to drive the ball, which both did pretty well.

I will give you that there were a couple late shot clock threes from deep or contested, but the vast majority were solid open looks. Even the one SK took with a guy in his face, the guy was a step or two late getting there so it was a pretty darn good look. And, of course, the way he was shooting, he buried it. Cash has always had deep range and I don't mind those shots coming within the flow of the offense. I don't feel like any of those deep threes were really forced.
 
Wait Jason, did you just say Dixon and Wright are good at shooting 3's? Cash is a career 30% 3 point shooter. He is currently at 29% this year and he shot 25.7% his freshman year. And he has always had deep range??? Ha ha ha, what team have you been watching the past three years...Dixon is a career 29% 3 point shooter and is at 32% this year. He actually shot 21% his sophomore year. That is good to you???? Try not to call other comments a joke when you say stupid stuff like this.

Dixon DOES think he is the best player on the court every night. Unfortunately he isn't even near the best player. If he understood his role he might be a decent player. Unfortunately he plays like he is trying out for the globetrotters. What he did at the 15 minute mark was plain embarrassing. Shooting 67% from the FT line is embarrassing for a guard. The less Dixon the better UC will be.
 
Wait Jason, did you just say Dixon and Wright are good at shooting 3's? Cash is a career 30% 3 point shooter. He is currently at 29% this year and he shot 25.7% his freshman year. And he has always had deep range??? Ha ha ha, what team have you been watching the past three years...Dixon is a career 29% 3 point shooter and is at 32% this year. He actually shot 21% his sophomore year. That is good to you???? Try not to call other comments a joke when you say stupid stuff like this.

Dixon DOES think he is the best player on the court every night. Unfortunately he isn't even near the best player. If he understood his role he might be a decent player. Unfortunately he plays like he is trying out for the globetrotters. What he did at the 15 minute mark was plain embarrassing. Shooting 67% from the FT line is embarrassing for a guard. The less Dixon the better UC will be.

I am going back to Cash's HS days. He has had knee injuries since he has been at UC. If you think that doesn't effect your jump shot, you are mistaken.

If you shoot 33% from three and take 9 shots, you would have to make 5 from 2 to be as productive. 40% is a great 3 point shooter. 33% is a good three point shooter.
 
I can't believe some of you guys. Seriously.

This is the same offense they have been running, only the shots went in? This had to be a joke right? This was NOT the same offense. The offense that was being run before was one with a big on the block and another setting a screen at the top of the key. There was no big on the block 95% of that game. They were running a form of the dribble-drive offense that Calipari made famous at Memphis and now Kentucky. Take your man off the dribble and then kick to an open shooter or go to the basket. Simple, but effective.

They took too many threes out of the context of the offense, but at least they went it? They were running a 4 guard, and sometimes 5 guard line up in which they drove the lane effectively and kicked to open shooters. There were also solid screens away from the ball to help open guys up on the perimeter. You don't shoot 14-32 from 3 by taking a bunch of contested shots. People still think no one on this team can shoot. Kilpatrick is a very good shooter from 3. Actually, so is Dion. Cash shoots pretty well from three and we finally saw Jermaine Sanders do what he did in HS from outside the arc. These guys were not getting the open looks on a consistent basis earlier this year.

Now just take away their second "best" player, i.e. Dixon, and they will be even better? Please tell me this was a joke. Some of you guys need to chill out. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You want this team to play with confidence but you don't want Dion to dribble between his legs because it is street ball? How OLD are you? Seriously. I want my team to have players with confidence and swagger. I want Dixon to think he is the best player on the court every night. I want SK to think he is the best player on the court every night. Same for every player. And can someone please tell me how Dixon is a selfish player? There's not a player on this team that can be called selfish. EVER. In fact, I think sometimes some of these guys aren't selfish enough. I want my best players to want the ball all the time. That is what makes a good player great and a great player a hall of famer.

I must be delusional l but I really thought, after watching the game last night, people would be happy and talk about how nicely the offense flowed. How they were constantly getting good shots and knocking them down. I thought there might actually be a comment or two about how Mick's offensive adjustments in the last couple days worked and worked well. The fact that people refuse to give Mick and this team any credit at all baffles me. The story was not how many threes they shot, it was how they played in response to the tough situation they were in. And, by the way, you can win and win big shooting 30 threes a game. Look at Duke. Look at the Memphis and Kentucky teams of Calipari. Look at Villanova or even Louisville. The three point shot is a weapon that should be used often and when used properly can dominate a game. I would much rather see 32 threes in a game than 15 threes and 17 shots from 15-20 feet. The 15-20 foot jump shot is the most worthless shot in basketball any more. Why have "mid-majors" been successful in recent years? The three point shot. Butler was a great team that shot a bunch of threes. They rebounded their misses well and got quality looks from the outside. The three point shot is the great equalizer in the game of basketball.

Of course there wasn't a big taking the ball at the top of the key, our tallest starter was Jaquan Parker. Hence the point of all my posts, Mick might be better served to run the 3 guard offense.

We played Wright State, we should win. The same team that played and played well last night would get destroyed in the Big East. Should Mick try to run that offense if he's here in the future? Yes. If he wants to he's going to have to recruit some better shooters. If you think these guys are capable of shooting like that every night you're either basing your opinion on nothing or you're delusional.
 
Of course there wasn't a big taking the ball at the top of the key, our tallest starter was Jaquan Parker. Hence the point of all my posts, Mick might be better served to run the 3 guard offense.

We played Wright State, we should win. The same team that played and played well last night would get destroyed in the Big East. Should Mick try to run that offense if he's here in the future? Yes. If he wants to he's going to have to recruit some better shooters. If you think these guys are capable of shooting like that every night you're either basing your opinion on nothing or you're delusional.

No one shoots like that every night but I promise you they will all have better percentages from three with open looks. SK is a very good shooter and will have more days shooting 50% from three than 25%. Dixon is a bit more streaky but when he gets open looks, he shoots pretty well from three. If Cash's knee is healthy and stays healthy, he could easily be a 35-40% three point shooter. You have to have balance on your jump shot and if your knee is messed up, you won't have the lift or the balance.

You can't win with this style in the Big East? Nova sure hasn't had any issues winning in the Big East with a 4 guard/wing offense. You have a better chance to win by playing a style that fits your personnel. I don't think UC will play 4 guards all the time but I think, if things go well the next 5 games, you will see it for stretches in games.
 
No one shoots like that every night but I promise you they will all have better percentages from three with open looks. SK is a very good shooter and will have more days shooting 50% from three than 25%. Dixon is a bit more streaky but when he gets open looks, he shoots pretty well from three. If Cash's knee is healthy and stays healthy, he could easily be a 35-40% three point shooter. You have to have balance on your jump shot and if your knee is messed up, you won't have the lift or the balance.

You can't win with this style in the Big East? Nova sure hasn't had any issues
winning in the Big East with a 4 guard/wing offense. You have a better chance to win by playing a style that fits your personnel. I don't think UC will play 4 guards all the time but I think, if things go well the next 5 games, you will see it for stretches in games.



Weren't people complaining that UC had open looks in the close games, but werent hitting? You can't run this type of offense with inconsistent shooters. Thats not a reliable game plan.

They can win with a 4 guard or 3 guard offense in the BE if they had a transition game. But thats not Micks style. Thats the difference between Nova and UC
 
I am going back to Cash's HS days. He has had knee injuries since he has been at UC. If you think that doesn't effect your jump shot, you are mistaken.

If you shoot 33% from three and take 9 shots, you would have to make 5 from 2 to be as productive. 40% is a great 3 point shooter. 33% is a good three point shooter.

Oh, sorry, I didn't realize we were discussing how good these players were in high school. I heard Eppensteiner ate up the GCL btw. Seriously, who gives a crap about how good someone was in high school? Cash has not proven at the collegiate level that he is a good 3 point shooter.

And 33% is not that good in college. The 100th best 3 pt shooter right now in college based on percentages shoots at a 47% clip.
 
I know Wright state did not score a lot of points but didn't it seem our defense wasn't that great. It seemed like Wright state scored pretty easily at times and took to the hoop on us easy too. I just wasn't too impressed with the d.
 
Oh, sorry, I didn't realize we were discussing how good these players were in high school. I heard Eppensteiner ate up the GCL btw. Seriously, who gives a crap about how good someone was in high school? Cash has not proven at the collegiate level that he is a good 3 point shooter.

And 33% is not that good in college. The 100th best 3 pt shooter right now in college based on percentages shoots at a 47% clip.

I bet that is skewed by sample size. Someone 1 for 2 or 2 for 3 from deep doesn't qualify as a 3 point shooter.

Last time I checked, if you can shoot the ball, you can shoot the ball. It doesn't matter what level it is. Cash hasn't played a season yet injury free. Your argument about Eppensteiner is quite funny. You should try comedy.
 
No one shoots like that every night but I promise you they will all have better percentages from three with open looks. SK is a very good shooter and will have more days shooting 50% from three than 25%. Dixon is a bit more streaky but when he gets open looks, he shoots pretty well from three. If Cash's knee is healthy and stays healthy, he could easily be a 35-40% three point shooter. You have to have balance on your jump shot and if your knee is messed up, you won't have the lift or the balance.

You can't win with this style in the Big East? Nova sure hasn't had any issues winning in the Big East with a 4 guard/wing offense. You have a better chance to win by playing a style that fits your personnel. I don't think UC will play 4 guards all the time but I think, if things go well the next 5 games, you will see it for stretches in games.

I never said you can't win with that style in the Big East. I said the team thT played last night would get destroyed in the Big East. Nova won with much better players recruited to fit that scheme. I think we're both saying the same things here. I would like to see last nights offense a lot more, but we need to get better players if we want to run it and win BE games. That's all I'm saying.
 
Cincinnati is tied for 163rd in the nation in 3PA per game (18) and tied for 100th in 3P% (36.1%).

Based on these statistics, I would say that UC is not shooting ENOUGH threes. To equal the approximately 18 points UC is getting per game from three, they would have to shoot 50% from 2 on the same number of shots. This team doesn't get enough layups for 50%. Shoot more threes and take your chances.

I would like to see UC average 22-24 three point attempts a game (within the flow of the offense).
 
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I never said you can't win with that style in the Big East. I said the team thT played last night would get destroyed in the Big East. Nova won with much better players recruited to fit that scheme. I think we're both saying the same things here. I would like to see last nights offense a lot more, but we need to get better players if we want to run it and win BE games. That's all I'm saying.

We can agree that Mick is not recruiting players to fit that style and if Mick wants to go that way (which I don't think he does) he would have to recruit differently. I do think that these players can win games playing that way for PART of the game.
 
I was proud to see the Bearcats win that game with a lot of odds stacked against them. With that being said Wright State is horrible and if they can get out of this stretch 5-1 (tough game versus Oklahoma and Pitt) then the season will not have steered too far off course.
 
I think the movement helped with the 3's a great deal.
We need to make 3's, because it opens the inside game, I feel like with Yancy out, the movement isn't as bogged down.
We need to find a way, to keep the freedom of movement, and keep our best player in the game at the same time.

I don't know how to accomplish that though, Gates would be excellent in a normal half court offense with a lot of sets. Cronin isn't that kind of coach though.
 
The 15-20 foot jump shot is the most worthless shot in basketball any more.


No, it's the most under-appreciated shot in basketball. Rip Hamilton destroyed teams with it. Think about this, all those suicide drives we couldn't convert on saturday, where guys just did some lay up and had it blocked, or out right missed, if you penetrate, then stop 15-18 feet away, the defender isn't going to stop with you. An open jump shot from 15, is a hell of a lot more appealing, than having a blocked bunny or a missed one.
And since we know this team CAN'T live off the ft line, it would make a lot more sense.
 
I think the movement helped with the 3's a great deal.
We need to make 3's, because it opens the inside game, I feel like with Yancy out, the movement isn't as bogged down.
We need to find a way, to keep the freedom of movement, and keep our best player in the game at the same time.

I don't know how to accomplish that though, Gates would be excellent in a normal half court offense with a lot of sets. Cronin isn't that kind of coach though.

Isnt that concerning for you? With a team full of inconsistent shooters, isnt that a bit risky to have your offense depend on hitting jumpers? Last night they did, but I don't see that being the case throughout the season. Its hard to construct a gameplan based around a half court offense with no pure shooter or shooters.

I still want to see them run and with these young guys getting more PT, I hope that when the team gets back to full strenght they open it up.

Last night I saw a 3, a couple of layups and ft attempts off the transition game that have me hopeful
 
No, it's the most under-appreciated shot in basketball. Rip Hamilton destroyed teams with it. Think about this, all those suicide drives we couldn't convert on saturday, where guys just did some lay up and had it blocked, or out right missed, if you penetrate, then stop 15-18 feet away, the defender isn't going to stop with you. An open jump shot from 15, is a hell of a lot more appealing, than having a blocked bunny or a missed one.
And since we know this team CAN'T live off the ft line, it would make a lot more sense.

Ok, maybe I said it wrong. It is the worst valued shot in basketball. The percentage of making a shot from 15-20 feet is not much different than making a shot from 22 feet. The difference in the number of points you get for a shot from three point range is 50% higher. Therefore, the worst shot that can be taken in basketball is one just inside the three point line.
 
Ok, maybe I said it wrong. It is the worst valued shot in basketball. The percentage of making a shot from 15-20 feet is not much different than making a shot from 22 feet. The difference in the number of points you get for a shot from three point range is 50% higher. Therefore, the worst shot that can be taken in basketball is one just inside the three point line.

This is definitely correct, but there is a balancing act to it. An open set 15 footer is better than a contested 3 and probably pretty similar to a contested close 2.
 
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