'13 NY PF Jermaine Lawrence (Commit)

[TheLongHaul]

because its my fu%kn opinion that morman will make a more immediate impact. If he doesnt then ok. This site is awesome but sometimes when someone has an opinion then everyone goes to the well theres no way thats true. No one knows is right but its my opinion. As for eppensteiner he is on scholarship and i think hes a senior. Problem solved with the scholarship dilemma.

I already broke down the scholarship situation earlier. I hope you really didn't think nobody thought about Epp's scholarship. 13 scholarships available, 14 scholarship players projected for next year. Someone won't be here. We'll find out soon enough.

Whether eppensteiner is on scholarship or not, they have will have 4 open slots for next year, with 5 recruits offered. So problem is not solved with the scholarship dilemma, genius. And opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one. Try and base it on something factual, not just because 'that's what I think.' Looking at a few highlights and then saying that Morman is going to make more of an impact that a consensus 5 star is idiotic. I can easily say that I think that Kevin Johnson will make more of an impact than Lawrence, but without anything to base this on, it just makes me look stupid.

Oh c'mon. Everyone gives their opinion on incoming recruits without really basing it on much. You projected Lawrence in the starting lineup next year. So tell me, how many times have you seen Lawrence play? Do you think saying that makes you look stupid?

 

[JumpinJack5]

Whether eppensteiner is on scholarship or not, they have will have 4 open slots for next year, with 5 recruits offered. So problem is not solved with the scholarship dilemma, genius. And opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one. Try and base it on something factual, not just because 'that's what I think.' Looking at a few highlights and then saying that Morman is going to make more of an impact that a consensus 5 star is idiotic. I can easily say that I think that Kevin Johnson will make more of an impact than Lawrence, but without anything to base this on, it just makes me look stupid.

I agree, none of us are geniuses that can magically predict how recruits are going to turn out, but seeing some tape, seeing Johnson live, etc., I think Lawrence will have more of an impact freshman year than Morman and Johnson (if we somehow keep both of them) combined. Long term impact as guys who will fit in the 4 year/slowly develop mold, I see Johnson and Morman fitting into that. Caupain, I think, will have the greatest impact as a frosh. amongst the 3-star guys, as he is already a solid passer/slasher, something that will really help when we lose Cash. Strickland can help if he can play good d,not get into early foul trouble (see Mbodj, Cheikh), grab a few boards, and get a few buckets. The nice thing about Strickland is that he isn't like Octavius Ellis, Justin Jackson, David, etc. who really can't make an immediate impact because of their lack of size.

 

[anbuc88]

Oh c'mon. Everyone gives their opinion on incoming recruits without really basing it on much. You projected Lawrence in the starting lineup next year. So tell me, how many times have you seen Lawrence play? Do you think saying that makes you look stupid?

Saying that Lawrence will make a bigger impact than Morman next year doesn't take a genius. Look at most of the recruiting analysts, those whose job is to evaluate players, and see what they think. I have seen the highlight packages for both of these players, and don't base my opinion on what I see. I base it on he opinion of those paid to do this, and on Cronin, who made Lawrence the top priority in this class. His previous top priorities, most of whom didn't choose the Cats, were impact players at their respective programs.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Was reading the James White thread and was thinking he was so great to watch in the open court. I was thinking that Lawrence could be the next "great dunker" at uc. I read a tweet in December that said the reason Lawrence hurt his hand and missed half of the season was from dunking.

Was also thinking about the excess of schollies. If SK leaves, and I don't think he will, we basically wasted a year of his college career with him sitting on the bench for a year and leaving early. I think we could have possibly made the tourney his redshirt year. Also would have been cool to see Lance and SK play together.

 

[Cronin crazy 5]

morman is physically ready to come in and compete. Can u say that lawrence is? 6-9 and 200 lbs isnt what he is going to be. He needs 20 lbs more or so. I think at the end of there freshman yr lawrence will probably be the better player. But immediately right from the get go i give the nod to morman statistic wise. Morman is big enough, strong enough and has the defensive quality already.im not knocking lawrence, i jumped out my chair when i heard he verballed. I was way more excited about him then morman. I keep hearing that he was cronins must need pick and i dont disagree. We have decent guards but need that big presence.go back the last 5 yrs in rivals and see hiw every 5 star panned out right away. Then look at the 150 3 stars and compare urselfs. Im glad we got all these guys but to knock me for thinking one way and ur assuming urself is bs.. And about the schollies im ASSuming sk goes pro. Hes 40 yrs old and has a child. He will get drafted in the nba and then go oversees to make great money.

 

[JumpinJack5]

morman is physically ready to come in and compete. Can u say that lawrence is? 6-9 and 200 lbs isnt what he is going to be. He needs 20 lbs more or so. I think at the end of there freshman yr lawrence will probably be the better player. But immediately right from the get go i give the nod to morman statistic wise. Morman is big enough, strong enough and has the defensive quality already.im not knocking lawrence, i jumped out my chair when i heard he verballed. I was way more excited about him then morman. I keep hearing that he was cronins must need pick and i dont disagree. We have decent guards but need that big presence.go back the last 5 yrs in rivals and see hiw every 5 star panned out right away. Then look at the 150 3 stars and compare urselfs. Im glad we got all these guys but to knock me for thinking one way and ur assuming urself is bs..

Have you seen Lawrence? He is actually relatively filled out. I would agree he isn't big enough to play a lot of PF, but he is definitely big enough to play SF. Morman is more of a project, there is a reason that he is a 3 star and Lawrence is a 5-star. This argument is like saying Guyn was better as a frosh. Than Lance Stephenson, Lawrence might not dominate right off the bat, but there are plenty of reasons to believe that he is definitely ahead of Morman as far as development and skills.

 

[Cronin crazy 5]

Have you seen Lawrence? He is actually relatively filled out. I would agree he isn't big enough to play a lot of PF, but he is definitely big enough to play SF. Morman is more of a project, there is a reason that he is a 3 star and Lawrence is a 5-star. This argument is like saying Guyn was better as a frosh. Than Lance Stephenson, Lawrence might not dominate right off the bat, but there are plenty of reasons to believe that he is definitely ahead of Morman as far as development and skills.

. Ok now compare 5 star lances freshman year vs 3 star sean kilpatricks fresman year or even 3 stars deonte vaughns fresman year. Then compare biggie mclains 4 stars and darnell wilks 4 stars vs rashad bishops 3 star and 3 stars ibrahima thomas. The 5 star players are usually based on potential.if u want stats then compare 3 star troy caupain with any 5 star player in 2013. Lawrence has a nice build to grow into. To say he will be a 3 in college is wrong. He will be a face up 4.

 

[TheLongHaul]

Saying that Lawrence will make a bigger impact than Morman next year doesn't take a genius. Look at most of the recruiting analysts, those whose job is to evaluate players, and see what they think. I have seen the highlight packages for both of these players, and don't base my opinion on what I see. I base it on he opinion of those paid to do this, and on Cronin, who made Lawrence the top priority in this class. His previous top priorities, most of whom didn't choose the Cats, were impact players at their respective programs.

So you call him out saying it makes him look dumb for basing his opinion on what he actually saw yet you are basing an opinion solely on what recruiting analysts say? Uhhh, okay. And you have no clue that Lawrence was Mick's top priority so don't pretend you do. "those paid to do this" - how did they evaluate SK? How did they evaluate J'mson Morgan? Case closed. If others want to have an opinion on who they think will be better, so be it. In the end none of us really know.

 

[JumpinJack5]

. Ok now compare 5 star lances freshman year vs 3 star sean kilpatricks fresman year or even 3 stars deonte vaughns fresman year. Then compare biggie mclains 4 stars and darnell wilks 4 stars vs rashad bishops 3 star and 3 stars ibrahima thomas. The 5 star players are usually based on potential.if u want stats then compare 3 star troy caupain with any 5 star player in 2013. Lawrence has a nice build to grow into. To say he will be a 3 in college is wrong. He will be a face up 4.

SK was a redshirt freshman, that's a huge difference. The rest of your argument makes no sense, a 3 star vs. a 3 star, 4 star s. a 4 star, Im talking about a 5 star vs. a 3 star. Lawrence has skills that Morman or anyone else can dream of having. Why can't he play SF, that's what he is listed as on the other 3 recruiting websites and his coach said that he is talented enough to play either. Why not have him play a little bit of both as a freshman, depending on where we need him? He can dribble, slash, hit 3s and jumpers and has post moves, so what if he's a little underweight? Might not be amazing as a freshman, but when looking at tapes, recruiting analysts, and Mick and putting them collectively together to base your opinion, what makes you think Morman will be better as a freshman? He could be good, but his skills need to be refined, whereas Lawrence has all the skills, he just needs to add weight and get a little tougher. Huge difference!

 

[Nate1213]

I agree with people that Morman will be a huge player. I now its just a highlight tape, but man he has so many ways he can score. I honestly think by his junior or senior game that be will have as much as an impact on a game as SK. I'm not saying he will without question average 18-19 a night like SK, but I do think he will be a big scorer for us. After Lawrence he is the best player in this class.

 

[JumpinJack5]

. Ok now compare 5 star lances freshman year vs 3 star sean kilpatricks fresman year or even 3 stars deonte vaughns fresman year. Then compare biggie mclains 4 stars and darnell wilks 4 stars vs rashad bishops 3 star and 3 stars ibrahima thomas. The 5 star players are usually based on potential.if u want stats then compare 3 star troy caupain with any 5 star player in 2013. Lawrence has a nice build to grow into. To say he will be a 3 in college is wrong. He will be a face up 4.

PS stats mean very little. I could put p 41 points per game in a YMCA rec. league, does that mean I will be good? Caupain definitely has a shot to be very good, but to say that he is better than Lawrence or lots of 5 star guys because he scores so many ppg is way off base.

 

[Nate1213]

But to get back on topic, Lawrence tweeted is team almost had 100 tonight. Any news on how many Lawrence had?

 

[JumpinJack5]

But to get back on topic, Lawrence tweeted is team almost had 100 tonight. Any news on how many Lawrence had?

Maybe Abam Zagoria will report on it. Oh wait, he is still a bitter St. John's fan that only tweets about Lawrence now when he doesn't do well.

 

[Cronin crazy 5]

PS stats mean very little. I could put p 41 points per game in a YMCA rec. league, does that mean I will be good? Caupain definitely has a shot to be very good, but to say that he is better than Lawrence or lots of 5 star guys because he scores so many ppg is way off base.

im not saying hes better for god sakes im saying if stars mean everything to u all then compare a 3 stars tc stats vs any 5 star player. There mostly ranked high because potential not production.look at this yrs wooden award power list. The top 4 players are 3-3 stars and 1- 4star. Then look at the big east 1st and 2nd team out of ten players 5 are 3 stars and 5 are 4 stars. There are no 5 star players there. And the top twenty wooden list there are just as many 3 stars as 5 stars. So it dosent meen ur bad if ur a 3 star or a stud if ur a five.

 

[JumpinJack5]

im not saying hes better for god sakes im saying if stars mean everything to u all then compare a 3 stars tc stats vs any 5 star player. There mostly ranked high because potential not production.look at this yrs wooden award power list. The top 4 players are 3-3 stars and 1- 4star. Then look at the big east 1st and 2nd team out of ten players 5 are 3 stars and 5 are 4 stars. There are no 5 star players there. And the top twenty wooden list there are just as many 3 stars as 5 stars. So it dosent meen ur bad if ur a 3 star or a stud if ur a five.

Do know why there are no 5 star guys? They are all in the NBA. There are always a few diamonds in the rough, but after missing out on a few sure things the past few years, it feels great to get one. 3 or 4 star players are nice, but if we want to have a shot to take things to the next level, you need to have at least a little more talent to work with. That's my theory on our offense, half is because great offense isn't Mick's style and the other half is just lack of really talented offensive players. Cashmere has been good while healthy, SK jacks up a few too many 3s, Parker is either there offensively or invisible. As a result of UC's rebuilding over the first few years of Mick, we have taken on many projects, some successful, others, not so much. If you can get someone who can come into the 3 spot and contribute as a freshman, you should go for it.

 

[JackBauer151]

Lawrence’s impact at Cincinnati


On Monday, Jermaine Lawrence celebrated his 18th birthday by committing to the University of Cincinnati. Next season, Lawrence is set to join current Bearcats in junior Sean Kilpatrick and sophomore Jermaine Sanders.

Lawrence, a product of Springfield Gardens, New York, is a senior wing at Pope John XXIII High School in New Jersey. The versatile 6-10 forward is considered one of the best at his position in the nation.

Pope John’s assistant coach and New York City native, Vincent Johnson, believes Lawrence has the tools to become a successful High Major player.

“I expect Jermaine to have an immediate impact when he gets to Cincinnati,” says Johnson, a former standout at Rice High School. “His skill-set will allow him to be effective on both ends of the floor. On one end he can step out and hit the three while also being able to attack the basket. One the other end his activity and high motor will result in great defense.”

As Lawrence continues to regain health following surgery for a torn tendon in his right hand, coach Johnson is confident the former Cardozo High School star can lead Pope John XXIII to the New Jersey Tournament of Champions.

“Jermaine is our do-it-all guy,” states coach Johnson. “Most importantly, his presence on this team means a lot for our guys. Him being out early [with an injury] hurt us mentally. Our guys are all brothers.”

With Lawrence leading the charge, the Spartans are poised for a run at the title, before their ultra-skilled wing departs for Cincinnati and the Big East.

http://www.gothamhoops.com/?p=4964

 

[Scheids21]

PS stats mean very little. I could put p 41 points per game in a YMCA rec. league, does that mean I will be good? Caupain definitely has a shot to be very good, but to say that he is better than Lawrence or lots of 5 star guys because he scores so many ppg is way off base.

P.S. weren't you the guy that said Kevin Johnson is an average role player because he's averaging 18ppg with Summit?

 

[cincycpaw]

You know, while kinda annoying, it;s also nice that we can have people arguing about which new recruit will have the bigger impact (and it includes a 5 star).

In the past it seems like this has not been a discussion as the answer has either been obvious or non-existent.

 

[anbuc88]

So you call him out saying it makes him look dumb for basing his opinion on what he actually saw yet you are basing an opinion solely on what recruiting analysts say? Uhhh, okay. And you have no clue that Lawrence was Mick's top priority so don't pretend you do. "those paid to do this" - how did they evaluate SK? How did they evaluate J'mson Morgan? Case closed. If others want to have an opinion on who they think will be better, so be it. In the end none of us really know.

So you base a recruits impact on a program on highlight tapes rather than what multiple analysts who have watched him play in game settings think of him. Uhhh, okay. Lawrence was Micks top priority. Multiple sources have reported this. To argue against it is stupid. And just because recruiting analysts occasionally get things wrong, it doesn't invalidate everything they say. To pruport otherwise is stupid. Case closed. Btw, ESPN, CBS, SportingNews and Fox reported Lawrence's committment to UC. It was on the scroll on ESPNU and one of the articles on the main ESPN college basketball page. How much fanfare was there for Morman's signing? Why do you think this was the case. Anyone can have have an opinion on who they think will have more of an immediate impact. But I would rely on those whose job is to evaluate players, who know more that I would about a recruits ability and potential, than a highlight tape or just for the sake of having an opinion.

 

[cincycpaw]

Guess what though?

Since neither have played a second for UC yet, you are both just guessing. No one can win this argument at this point.