'13 NY PF Jermaine Lawrence (Commit)

[TheLongHaul]

So you base a recruits impact on a program on highlight tapes rather than what multiple analysts who have watched him play in game settings think of him. Uhhh, okay. Lawrence was Micks top priority. Multiple sources have reported this. To argue against it is stupid. And just because recruiting analysts occasionally get things wrong, it doesn't invalidate everything they say. To pruport otherwise is stupid. Case closed. Btw, ESPN, CBS, SportingNews and Fox reported Lawrence's committment to UC. It was on the scroll on ESPNU and one of the articles on the main ESPN college basketball page. How much fanfare was there for Morman's signing? Why do you think this was the case. Anyone can have have an opinion on who they think will have more of an immediate impact. But I would rely on those whose job is to evaluate players, who know more that I would about a recruits ability and potential, than a highlight tape or just for the sake of having an opinion.

No, I base it on what I see and what I read/hear. And even then I admit that it's just an opinion. Saying someones opinion is stupid because they based it on what they saw is flat out stupid. Btw, I'm pretty sure he even linked full length videos, not just highlights.

Where are these multiple sources?

Essentially you can't think for yourself and have to rely what analysts say. How many times do you think these analysts have seen Morgan, KJ, and Caupin play? It's funny though that you base so much on what recruiting analysts say. I'm sure you were one of the many that downplay analysts and rankings when UC has signed a 3* recruit.

Personally I think Lawrence will have a bigger impact than Mormon but I'm not going to say it's stupid if someone else thinks differently.

 

[TheLongHaul]

Guess what though?

Since neither have played a second for UC yet, you are both just guessing. No one can win this argument at this point.

Exactly. But I wasn't arguing who would have the biggest impact. I agree with him there. To say someone is stupid because they think Mormon will have a bigger impact is stupid in itself.

 

[JackBauer151]

There is no doubt Lawrence was Mick's top target. As far as sources go Dave Telep, Brian Snow, Paul Biancardi and every other recruiting analyst has said as much. Not that you need those sources to deduce that he was the top target. You dont land top 20 players if you dont put the full court press on in recruiting. Out of all the schools that recruited Jermaine UC was there the longest (since his sophmore year) and came after him the hardest. I agree with the notion that everyone has the right to their opinion and until the guys get here and start playing there can be no winner to the argument. Just saying there is a reason why Jermaine is ranked in the top 20 and a reason why he was without a shadow of a doubt their number 1 target in the 2013 class.

 

[cincycpaw]

Just saying there is a reason why Jermaine is ranked in the top 20 and a reason why he was without a shadow of a doubt there number 1 target in the 2013 class.

And that reason could simply be the 5-6" in height he has over some very talented guards.

 

[culverrd]

Here is a full game from last year of an all star game where he wasn't really playing very hard especially on the defensive end but still gets the MVP. Kinda cool 2 of our big recruits for the 2014 class are on the same team with him Abu #0 and Terrell #32

http://youtu.be/TKDRR25Mndg

http://youtu.be/gd_R44Tikrk

http://youtu.be/KfbuOHEh5hk

http://youtu.be/7Qd-OS5i_mM

 

[TheLongHaul]

There is no doubt Lawrence was Mick's top target. As far as sources go Dave Telep, Brian Snow, Paul Biancardi and every other recruiting analyst has said as much. Not that you need those sources to deduce that he was the top target. You dont land top 20 players if you dont put the full court press on in recruiting. Out of all the schools that recruited Jermaine UC was there the longest (since his sophmore year) and came after him the hardest. I agree with the notion that everyone has the right to their opinion and until the guys get here and start playing there can be no winner to the argument. Just saying there is a reason why Jermaine is ranked in the top 20 and a reason why he was without a shadow of a doubt their number 1 target in the 2013 class.

I don't really doubt he was but also keep in mind he took a big risk by accepting four other commitments prior to Lawrence. He obviously thought highly enough about Mormon along with the others to take them without knowing about Lawrence. Granted, he may think one of the four previous commits might not become eligible but even then it's a risk. Of course I don't really think the scouts based their opinion on talking to Mick.

That being said, I don't want to make it seem like I don't think Lawrence will make an impact. I think he'll be a stud and I'm definitely the most excited about him being a Bearcat.

 

[JumpinJack5]

P.S. weren't you the guy that said Kevin Johnson is an average role player because he's averaging 18ppg with Summit?

Yes, but Im not making a wild guess, I've seen him play live and while he could help, I don't see him as an SK-like scorer. He is raw and will take time to develop, but could help out. I really don't know much about Morman, as I have never seen him play live, but neither have you, so you can't judge either.

 

[Scheids21]

Yes, but Im not making a wild guess, I've seen him play live and while he could help, I don't see him as an SK-like scorer. He is raw and will take time to develop, but could help out. I really don't know much about Morman, as I have never seen him play live, but neither have you, so you can't judge either.

You missed the point. You said above not to put much weight on high school stats. I was simply reminding you to do the same for Johnson.

 

[JumpinJack5]

You missed the point. You said above not to put much weight on high school stats. I was simply reminding you to do the same for Johnson.

I saw him live, so that is way better than any stats can show you. I was just saying that there is a reason he is only scoring 18 ppg, so stats can backup what you see live, but shouldn't just base everything on stats like some people on this site do. It is good supporting evidence to an argument, but not something you can look at and, having never seen the person play, base it solely on that.

 

[Scheids21]

I saw him live, so that is way better than any stats can show you. I was just saying that there is a reason he is only scoring 18 ppg, so stats can backup what you see live, but shouldn't just base everything on stats like some people on this site do. It is good supporting evidence to an argument, but not something you can look at and, having never seen the person play, base it solely on that.

Fair enough

 

[bearcat18]

ESPN Best of Primetime Shootout 2013

Best Big Man
Jermaine Lawrence (Clifton, N.J./Pope John XXIII)
2013, PF, 6-8, 210
Committed to Cincinnati
Lawrence is good now but has a very nice upside. He needs to learn how to keep his motor running and not take plays off, but when he is engaged he can be a monster. The future Bearcat put up 17 points and nine rebounds going up against the Patrick School. He is a great get for Mick Cronin and should pay huge dividends down the road.

 

[Scheids21]

First time I've heard of him taking plays off; hopefully that isn't the case next year. Gotta love that he is basically watching every UC game.

 

[RedlegZdid]

We need him now, rubles is a disaster.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

We need him now, rubles is a disaster.

Rubles is far from a disaster. He boards as well as anyone on the team and has a good handle. He D's and is good size for the Big E. As a JUCO transfer he is being asked to handle the ball alot. next year he will be a monster. mark it down.

 

[Hicks' Guns]

Rubles is far from a disaster. He boards as well as anyone on the team and has a good handle. He D's and is good size for the Big E. As a JUCO transfer he is being asked to handle the ball alot. next year he will be a monster. mark it down.

Rubles is a disaster offensively.

 

[cincycpaw]

Rubles is far from a disaster. He boards as well as anyone on the team and has a good handle. He D's and is good size for the Big E. As a JUCO transfer he is being asked to handle the ball alot. next year he will be a monster. mark it down.

I agree that Rubles will make a big jump from this year to next. Good JUCOs tend to improve dramatically.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Rubles is a disaster offensively.

Rubles is far from a disaster. With what they are asking him to do based on the teams need he is far from a disaster. You want a disaster look at jackson or modj. Rubles upside is bigger than both of theirs combined. I'll perdict next year you'll be posting how glad your are we have him.

 

[mdchick]

rubles is one of the best passers on the team, he can get to the hole, he had a bad game last night offensively, but for how big he is (height and weight) he can move extremely well.

 

[Hicks' Guns]

Seriously guys. I accept that Titus Rubles needs to be a part of the offensive attack because we are limited...especially when teams focus on Cash and SK. We need Rubles to step up and I agree he has shown flashes. And our only chance to make a serious run this year at this point is to have Rubles to be an offensive contributor. That doesn't mean that he is playing well offensively. He is not. 1.8 TO/game in 21.4 minutes/game is bad. Plus, he makes bone headed decisions a lot that aren't necessarily reflected int he TO department. A couple led to Villanova 3's last night and nearly let them back in the game. He shoots 10.8% from 3-point range and 32.2% overall.

I agree he needs to get the ball in the paint and dish off and finish around the basket. But he has not and is not playing well offensively this year.

And I don't think his performance know dictates how he is going to play next year. I think an offseason of work and his experience this year will help him immensely and I'm excited for his prospects next year. For this season though, my assessment on his current performance is above. I really hope he grows and take the next steps during the remainder of the season but so far...he is a mess offensively.

 

[cincycpaw]

Did Jermaine Lawrence change his name to Titus Rubles?


It's funny that we seem to be now blaming a JUCO for all of our troubles when our senior point guard can't shoot (injured) and another senior guard can't hit free throws, and other guys that have been in the program for multiple years cant dribble, pass, or shoot.