Waite...for the third or fourth time...I am talking about WIDE OPEN SHOTS not taken!!!
That by definition means they aren't defended. Come on man
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Waite...for the third or fourth time...I am talking about WIDE OPEN SHOTS not taken!!!
That by definition means they aren't defended. Come on man
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Waite...for the third or fourth time...I am talking about WIDE OPEN SHOTS not taken!!!
That by definition means they aren't defended. Come on man
Name 5 examples that you speak of....
Hard to say 'decision was taken from him' when he took 35 3FG in first 29 games (1.2/g) and 7 in last 7 (1.0/g) although he did seem to hesitate more at the end of the year.
From what I remember he shot just about every open 3 he had in the first part of the season and wasted several wide open attempts at the end.
I highly doubt that was Kyle's decision since he never passes up a shot that's open.
Anyhow...if I'm the only one no big deal
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i love you brother but this might be the weakest thing you ever posted on here. All you have to offer is your recollection.Waite...for the third or fourth time...I am talking about WIDE OPEN SHOTS not taken!!!
That by definition means they aren't defended. Come on man
i love you brother but this might be the weakest thing you ever posted on here. All you have to offer is your recollection.
This was specific to you because you kept ignoring my point. So I'm sure it sounded ridiculous.
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Who?
I was responding to someone talking about cane Broome. I even used the quote if you read it
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Shot 40 percent and 36 percent and they're not even good?
they are "ok" on my scale. didnt make it to "good". Sorry. Where would you put them on your scale? I'm guessing "great"?
I hope the new recruits get here early in the summer, last year N. Brooks didn't get here till really late and missed a lot of the conditioning. If K. Williams can get here early enough to put on 15 pounds of muscle he will be unstoppable. I hope.
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Your point is not backed up by anything other then your memory of some games that happened weeks ago. You even went so far as to imply that the coach told him not to shoot which I asked if you had first hand knowledge. This was bad from the beginning and your continuing down the path only made it worse.This was specific to you because you kept ignoring my point. So I'm sure it sounded ridiculous.
Just my opinion but I don't think Kyle has good enough mechanics to really be a better shooter than ~36%. He has a weird rotation on his jumper (knuckleball-ish), which is weird since it seems like he has good rotation on his FTs. I think taking around 50 threes is perfect for him.
If he could just show his opponent any resemblance of a right hand, he'd be impossible to guard in the post. Not saying he even has to be good at it - if he can just put it on tape that he has it in his arsenal, that'd be huge. He'd sure make things a lot easier on himself rather than forcing some of those crazy shots.
We'll have a good mix of pushing the tempo and hunting for quick easy buckets combined with pulling the ball out and playing through the bigs. But the "slower" part won't be walking the ball up and crossing halfcourt with 21 seconds on the shot clock, at least IMO.
If he could just show his opponent any resemblance of a right hand, he'd be impossible to guard in the post. Not saying he even has to be good at it - if he can just put it on tape that he has it in his arsenal, that'd be huge. He'd sure make things a lot easier on himself rather than forcing some of those crazy shots.
We'll have a good mix of pushing the tempo and hunting for quick easy buckets combined with pulling the ball out and playing through the bigs. But the "slower" part won't be walking the ball up and crossing halfcourt with 21 seconds on the shot clock, at least IMO.
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I think it's important Washington and Clark shoot 3's when they are open and when it makes sense. The latter part of that sentence being key. Too many times this season we were letting the team go on a run ( Waite, I am going off of recollection here but I think it happened in the 2H of the UCLA game) and Washington took a 3 too early in the shot clock. That's not the shot we need, nor wanted, in that situation.
But when there's 5-10 seconds left on the clock and the ball ends up in Washington or Clark's hands, and they are open, they should shoot it. They have a good chance of making it. The defense will have to honor that next time and, especially for Gary, he can use a pump fake to drive to the rim.
But when there's 5-10 seconds left on the clock and the ball ends up in Washington or Clark's hands, and they are open, they should shoot it. They have a good chance of making it. The defense will have to honor that next time and, especially for Gary, he can use a pump fake to drive to the rim.
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Have no problem with them taking a three. My issue was he said Coach told him not to shoot. I asked him if he had knowledge of such and he didn't. He based his assumption off his recollection of what he saw in the games. I provided some stats indicating that he actually shot more threes in the last half of the season then first. How we got here is anyone's guess.I think it's important Washington and Clark shoot 3's when they are open and when it makes sense. The latter part of that sentence being key. Too many times this season we were letting the team go on a run ( Waite, I am going off of recollection here but I think it happened in the 2H of the UCLA game) and Washington took a 3 too early in the shot clock. That's not the shot we need, nor wanted, in that situation.
But when there's 5-10 seconds left on the clock and the ball ends up in Washington or Clark's hands, and they are open, they should shoot it. They have a good chance of making it. The defense will have to honor that next time and, especially for Gary, he can use a pump fake to drive to the rim.
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Anybody concerned about our defense next year. With the way teams spread the floor nowadays stopping dribble drive penetration is huge. Offenses are now geared to have wings that can knock down the 3 and lightning quick PG's who can get to the rim or kick out for the open look. We will be very small at the PG. Washington needs work and is not a real good rim protector. Gary and Evans are both very good defensively, Cumberland was much better then I thought and will get better going forward.
Anybody concerned about our defense next year. With the way teams spread the floor nowadays stopping dribble drive penetration is huge. Offenses are now geared to have wings that can knock down the 3 and lightning quick PG's who can get to the rim or kick out for the open look. We will be very small at the PG. Washington needs work and is not a real good rim protector. Gary and Evans are both very good defensively, Cumberland was much better then I thought and will get better going forward.
As we saw this year, if Washington can't figure it out, then Brooks and Scott will see a lot more minutes.
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As we saw this year, if Washington can't figure it out, then Brooks and Scott will see a lot more minutes.
I'm very hopeful Brooks and Scott will take a step forward next year. I do hope Kyle figures it out because he is much better offensively then the other two. Need him on the floor.
Have no problem with them taking a three. My issue was he said Coach told him not to shoot. I asked him if he had knowledge of such and he didn't. He based his assumption off his recollection of what he saw in the games. I provided some stats indicating that he actually shot more threes in the last half of the season then first. How we got here is anyone's guess.
I don't know why you are basing your stats on first half vs last half of season because that wasn't the time frame I was talking about.
Do I think Cronin told him not to shoot at all? Probably not. Do I think Cronin may have placed restrictions on when, where, or why he could shoot 3's? Maybe.
The whole point was I saw Kyle passing up OPEN shots from 3 that he didn't earlier in the year. Many of those were earlier in the clock. You may not have seen it but that's okay.
I just thought for much of the year Kyle had a very good % and I saw him pass up shots that I....and I want to stress I...would have rather seen him shoot based on his %. Sometimes Kyle makes bad decisions from both 2 and 3 when he either wasn't in a set position or when on the block he was double teamed and could have kicked it back out. I believe there was a point in the season where Cronin intimated that he wanted Kyle to kick the ball out more (ala Clark) when it wasn't there...rather than try to shoot every time he got it. I don't know why it would be such a revelation that coach may have done something similar with his 3 shots.
I don't think Kyle ever really fell in love with the 3 any more than he fell in love with shooting the ball from anywhere. He loves to shoot and sometimes he should not. My preference is that Kyle shoots when he is open. Cronin may prefer working the ball a little more to see if we can get a look from inside IDK. It certainly appeared that way in some of the closing games of the season...but who knows...maybe Kyle restricted himself. I just don't think it's as likely (as the coach restricting him) since he loves shooting the ball. But like I said earlier...I could be wrong. Just my opinion and observation.
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I'm very hopeful Brooks and Scott will take a step forward next year. I do hope Kyle figures it out because he is much better offensively then the other two. Need him on the floor.
I think if Brooks works real hard in the off season he can earn some serious minutes. I really think Scott will have to go the route of beefing up and trying to find an interior game based on the perimeter players we will have on the roster. Both of these guys I think can be excellent defenders. They just need to polish their offense skills for one more season.
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Washington made a few poor decisions by shooting 3's when he shouldn't have but there came a point in time late in the season when it looked as if he was banned from shooting them. I didn't get this strategy since Kyle was knocking down 40%+ on the year. I don't care if there are other guards in practice knocking down a higher % than Kyle...if he makes them in games...let him shoot when he's open. All of our guards/wings are allowed to shoot when open. Kyle had a better % than most of them. If he's wide freaking open...let him shoot the 3!
He was not banned
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You had no idea if he was even given a message. You were speculating or assuming. You even reference how it was communicated. This is the 1thing I have a issue with.Kyle shot 43% from 3 for his first 29 games when he was allowed to select his shots. He was 0-7 for the last 7 games ending at 36% when the decision was taken from him. I do think he made a few bad decisions on the year from 3 but I think the message could have been more effectively communicated to him to allow him to continue to choose wiser decisions. I think out guards made bad selections at times too but the impact is unfairly magnified when a BIG makes the decision.
I think the decision to NOT allow him to shoot when he thought it was appropriate really killed his natural instinct and confidence. It's a fine line to let a player know when it's okay to shoot and basically telling them not to.
If you want to sayhe should shoot more so be it.
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Anybody concerned about our defense next year. With the way teams spread the floor nowadays stopping dribble drive penetration is huge. Offenses are now geared to have wings that can knock down the 3 and lightning quick PG's who can get to the rim or kick out for the open look. We will be very small at the PG. Washington needs work and is not a real good rim protector. Gary and Evans are both very good defensively, Cumberland was much better then I thought and will get better going forward.
Lol. Nope!