That could very well be...so I'm not sure what his pathway is
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That could very well be...so I'm not sure what his pathway is
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Per 40 minutes scoring year over year...
Kyle 9.6...15.3...20.9
Gary 11.2...13.7...15.0
Troy...11...12...15...13
KJ...14.6...11.9...11.4...11.2
FG% year over year
Kyle...435...467...510
Gary...524...519...527
Troy...380...444...375...396
KJ...398...379...347...378
He was made the top option on this team. His stats for scoring should be good
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That could very well be...so I'm not sure what his pathway is
I'm not sure either. I just know if we're needing to feed him in the post, we won't be very good. And I don't just mean next year.
He was made the top option on this team. His stats for scoring should be good
I'm not sure I agree he was made top option (although he was definitely one of them)...he may have made himself top option by virtue of not being scared to shoot. But just because you are a top option does not mean your shooting % should go up like Kyle's has. In fact in many cases when you become top option (or one of them) your shooting % goes down because you are taking more shots. In Kyle's case his shooting % has gone up significantly at the same time when he's taking more shots. That's a rare commodity IMO.
Either way, I just don't want to count out continued improvement from him since his trajectory implies it might just happen. I have given comparisons of players that haven't improved much in terms of scoring and FG% for their entire careers. I just think Kyle's motivation and determination are on a slightly different level than other players.
I'm not sure either. I just know if we're needing to feed him in the post, we won't be very good. And I don't just mean next year.
I sure hope not...that's not what I am saying. I am saying I'm not sure how he gets playing time on the perimeter so I think his best bet for playing time is to improve his post game somehow understanding what we are losing after next year. I don't have much interest in going back to giving significant starter minutes to guys who can only play D. Edit...unless they are just an incredible defender on the ball or protecting the rim.
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I sure hope not...that's not what I am saying. I am saying I'm not sure how he gets playing time on the perimeter so I think his best bet for playing time is to improve his post game somehow understanding what we are losing after next year. I don't have much interest in going back to giving significant starter minutes to guys who can only play D.
Yeah I get what you're saying. I just don't know how Scott fits if the plan is for him to gain weight and be a post player. I think his best bet will be facing up and improving his jumper honestly. Post touches for him is a road to nowhere. Can he ever help us offensively as a face up stretch 4? Idk. But that's the route he needs to take imo. I know he has had trouble keeping weight on and bulking up may cost him some of his best attribute, which is his athleticism.
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Scott bulking up and being a post player is just asking for the old Cronin offense to return. CANNOT have 2 guys on the floor together who can't shoot. Brooks and Nsoseme as the C options already equal 1 non-shooter. Scott being another just isn't an option imo.
Scott bulking up and being a post player is just asking for the old Cronin offense to return. CANNOT have 2 guys on the floor together who can't shoot. Brooks and Nsoseme as the C options already equal 1 non-shooter. Scott being another just isn't an option imo.
I would agree with you. So what happens with Scott? He's not a perimeter player and he doesn't have a post game. Trying to become a great ball handler or shooter is not as easy as developing a drop step or face up move is all I am saying. He's going to have to do something to get playing time.
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His points per 40 mins will go up coming from a nc state team that he obviously didn't like the position he was put in, to a team where he is starting and is one of the top options on the team. You posted that stat to say how much he improved. But Of course it improved being put in a bigger role where he got more touches.I'm not sure I agree he was made top option (although he was definitely one of them)...he may have made himself top option by virtue of not being scared to shoot. But just because you are a top option does not mean your shooting % should go up like Kyle's has. In fact in many cases when you become top option (or one of them) your shooting % goes down because you are taking more shots. In Kyle's case his shooting % has gone up significantly at the same time when he's taking more shots. That's a rare commodity IMO.
Either way, I just don't want to count out continued improvement from him since his trajectory implies it might just happen. I have given comparisons of players that haven't improved much in terms of scoring and FG% for their entire careers. I just think Kyle's motivation and determination are on a slightly different level than other players.
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I would agree with you. So what happens with Scott? He's not a perimeter player and he doesn't have a post game. Trying to become a great ball handler or shooter is not as easy as developing a drop step or face up move is all I am saying. He's going to have to do something to get playing time.
He has decent form on rhythm jumpers. Face up and hit everything out to 17 feet? Maybe be like TJ Maston for Baylor...idk.
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Stats are great but they don't tell the whole story. For example in baseball, lot of times a bench guy comes in and bats .300 in limited at bats. Everyone wants him to play everyday because he's batting .300. Guy plays everyday, average is all the sudden .240. That's kinda like you arguing about Kyle 3pt %. Yeah hes a decent shooting in limited attempts but probably not if he keeps shooting. My point is stats aren't everything.
His points per 40 mins will go up coming from a nc state team that he obviously didn't like the position he was put in, to a team where he is starting and is one of the top options on the team. You posted that stat to say how much he improved. But Of course it improved being put in a bigger role where he got more touches.
You keep ignoring how much his shooting % has gone up year over year. My point isn't just about points per 40 minutes. Points can increase just by taking more shots. Kyle has taken more shots AND improved his % significantly.
Those two things usually do not happen at the same time. In fact shooting % often goes down with more attempts. Troy went from shooting 44% one year to 37% the next because he had to take more shots. His points went up...but his shooting % went down. That's not always a good trade off.
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You keep ignoring how much his shooting % has gone up year over year. My point isn't just about points per 40 minutes. Points can increase just by taking more shots. Kyle has taken more shots AND improved his % significantly.
Those two things usually do not happen at the same time. In fact shooting % often goes down with more attempts. Troy went from shooting 44% one year to 37% the next because he had to take more shots. His points went up...but his shooting % went down. That's not always a good trade off.
Washington's overall shooting % is like the pinch hitter sustaining, or improving with everyday at bats.
He has decent form on rhythm jumpers. Face up and hit everything out to 17 feet? Maybe be like TJ Maston for Baylor...idk.
I agree...I think he has a decent mid range touch. Probably needs to get some more arc on the ball. This would be a step in the right direction IMO. Not sure he can become a significant contributor only from mid range though. I would still guess he would need to become better on the block or perimeter to earn a starting role after the bigs leave next year. I'm having a hard time finding a spot for him without a significant change in his game one way or another.
Obviously he's got athleticism to play D...but we need some offensive ability to go with it...unless we are looking at another Rubles type player...or JJ his first 3 years.
Washington's overall shooting % is like the pinch hitter sustaining, or improving with everyday at bats.
Give him more at bats then...lol!
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Honestly didn't see that part. Yeah that's good. Like I said, I think he's a good offensive player. I just don't know how much he can improve. I hope a lot.You keep ignoring how much his shooting % has gone up year over year. My point isn't just about points per 40 minutes. Points can increase just by taking more shots. Kyle has taken more shots AND improved his % significantly.
Those two things usually do not happen at the same time. In fact shooting % often goes down with more attempts. Troy went from shooting 44% one year to 37% the next because he had to take more shots. His points went up...but his shooting % went down. That's not always a good trade off.
Give him more at bats then...lol!
It didn't work for Troy or KJ. Even SK didn't really improve his career shooting % stats by getting more attempts. It was basically just more attempts at the same %.
Honestly didn't see that part. Yeah that's good. Like I said, I think he's a good offensive player. I just don't know how much he can improve. I hope a lot.
lol...okay no problem. Like I said (like you)...I don't think I expect a similar improvement next year from Kyle but if he can...it will be an awesome year.
Stats are great but they don't tell the whole story. For example in baseball, lot of times a bench guy comes in and bats .300 in limited at bats. Everyone wants him to play everyday because he's batting .300. Guy plays everyday, average is all the sudden .240. That's kinda like you arguing about Kyle 3pt %. Yeah hes a decent shooting in limited attempts but probably not if he keeps shooting. My point is stats aren't everything.
I hope nobody confuses what I was saying about Kyle shooting 3's and this particular issue.
His 2 point FG% (and overall shooting %) has increased dramatically over the years. Even with more attempts. I understand he's not a volume 3 guy and his % from there could be inflated due to that. But he is a volume 2 guy and his % is getting better and better AND better every year.
I hope he has better shot selection next year...if he does I could see his FG % going up again. This year he made a good % even with some bad selections.
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I hope nobody confuses what I was saying about Kyle shooting 3's and this particular issue.
His 2 point FG% (and overall shooting %) has increased dramatically over the years. Even with more attempts. I understand he's not a volume 3 guy and his % from there could be inflated due to that. But he is a volume 2 guy and his % is getting better and better AND better every year.
I hope he has better shot selection next year...if he does I could see his FG % going up again. This year he made a good % even with some bad selections.
I would just love to see him develop a move going over the other shoulder. he would be unstoppable.