certainly one mans opinion. I want to win first and be entertained second I guess or maybe winning is entertaining to me. Which ever style he employs I would like to be on the winning side of the score board.As a fan who attends every home game and watches the road games on TV I'll say yes I was happier. It's much more enjoyable to spend a few hours of my day watching a good basketball game.
Losing to Butler and Iowa State was hard to take and we needed to find a way to step up and get some stops in both those games but I'll take the experience of watching both those games over seeing us play that awful game against USF.
At least when we were scoring points I had some hope that this team would figure out the defensive issues and be dangerous come March. Now we're back to playing Mick-ball and all hope is lost.
certainly one mans opinion. I want to win first and be entertained second I guess or maybe winning is entertaining to me. Which ever style he employs I would like to be on the winning side of the score board.
Lol, not a thing has changed on these forums. The same people making excuses for Cronin and calling for 2 more years. Those same people were saying "at least 2 more years" starting with about the 6th year. And, when nothing got much better, surprise, surprise, they said he should get 2 more years after 8. Now we're at year 10 and the same people are calling for just 2 more years.
Yes, we're bringing in what looks like better recruits, but how's that working for Evans and Jenifer? We get these recruits every year and Mick starts coaching them down and eventually their 3 or 4 star status looks like 1 star. The next sacrificial lamb in line is Cumberland. Caupain is caught in that phenomena right now. Shaq had the phenomenal NCAA game in his freshman year and looked like the next Bearcat All-American. Here he is ready to graduate and his potential has never been realized. Deonta Vaughn was a 1st team all Big East player as a sophomore, and when he graduated, he wasn't even honorable mention and everyone was happy to see him go.
Prior to this year, we always saw the "inexperienced" card played. Amazingly, every year we were young and inexperienced. But, this year, we may be one of the most experienced teams in college basketball, and yet we collapse at crunch time like we're a roster full of freshmen. We're still averaging 8,000-something attendance even though many of the seating prices have been cut to bargain basement levels. Soon, they will be paying us to attend. The students only show up for decent teams. After 10 years of leadership, this is where we are at. And, we want to give him 2 more. This year we lose our two centers, our best offensive player and only true shooter, and our 5th year starting forward. The chance of next year being much better seem slim. The direction of this program in badly in need of a change and the longer we go with the status quo, the less and less significant we become in the college basketball landscape. We need to take our town back, our state back, and take this program back to where we historically belong nationally, which is near the at or near the top 10. If we know one thing beyond a shadow of a doubt, none of those will happen with this coach.
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If I'm Cumberland there is no way I'm coming to play for Mick Cronin. The kid has a potential NBA future, it would be a shame to see Mick waste it the way he did with Yancy Gates.
I do not dispute Kids like to play a certain style. But there is much more that goes into the recruiting game then style. Immediate playing time, Facilities, path to the pro's and others. Bottom line is Mick needs to win. As I have stated I would prefer a faster paced style as a fan but you can only do so much with the hand you are dealt. Getting better players is not just about style. If we play a style that doesn't get us in the tourney how does that help. If we hadn't made the dance 5 years running do you think anyone would be looking at us? By the way we scored with the teams we lost to except X and we lost. We lost because we didn't guard not because we didn't score enough.
We have lost twice as many games going slow. We did not score at SMU or at Temple. 56.5 ppg in regulation in those 2. The other Temple game was slow as molasses too, so the pace didn't have to do with us not guarding. And then the South Florida win may have been the most embarrassing of all. But since we survived, we can pretend like it never happened.
why are we blaming the lack of development solely on the head coach?
why are we blaming the lack of development solely on the head coach? you guys don't think a kid himself plays a huge role in his own development?
someone like sk flourished. someone like shaq has been a perpetual disappointment. i think it's a mistake to put it all on the head coach.
personally, i think there's probably a much bigger issue with our assistant coaches in terms of development than the head coach. it shouldn't nearly fall all on the head coach.
it feels like every coach who has achieved the level of success that mick has achieved at cincinnati, by his age/experience level, has started his own coaching tree. our assistants never go anywhere, it feels like. it's the same dorks year in and year out. i have to think they're pretty unimpressive.
why are we blaming the lack of development solely on the head coach? you guys don't think a kid himself plays a huge role in his own development?
someone like sk flourished. someone like shaq has been a perpetual disappointment. i think it's a mistake to put it all on the head coach.
personally, i think there's probably a much bigger issue with our assistant coaches in terms of development than the head coach. it shouldn't nearly fall all on the head coach.
it feels like every coach who has achieved the level of success that mick has achieved at cincinnati, by his age/experience level, has started his own coaching tree. our assistants never go anywhere, it feels like. it's the same dorks year in and year out. i have to think they're pretty unimpressive.
Im not saying Sk wasn't a good player but to say he flourished is a bit of an overstatement. He scored a lot of points because he shot way more than anyone on the team.
Kilpatrick % of teams shots
10-11
261/1939 13.46%
11-12
432/2194 19.69%
12-13
488/1936 25.21%
13-14
506/1893 26.73%
jake we had a 7 point lead at SMU and took a ill timed 3 with much time on the clock and lost. we losdt the first Temple game 77-70We have lost twice as many games going slow. We did not score at SMU or at Temple. 56.5 ppg in regulation in those 2. The other Temple game was slow as molasses too, so the pace didn't have to do with us not guarding. And then the South Florida win may have been the most embarrassing of all. But since we survived, we can pretend like it never happened.
How can you overstate all American?
Not defensive at all. If they fire him tomorrow I'll still be a cat fan. Fact is there are many programs that do not get to the tourney. Only 11 have made it 5 years running. if you want him gone to elevate the performance I'm all for that but his replacement dam sure better be making the tourney every year. My point is I think Mick has done a good job overall. I won't bore you with all the obstacles he overcomes I'm sure you have heard them before. I want to see him operate with a new Locker room, Upgraded arena and not every dollar going to the Football program. If the results haven't got better at that point fire him. Trust me Mick will not be out of work long. Quite honestly I admire him for taking on this challenge. My opinion is Coaching in your home town isn't a easy.If winning is all you care about I can't fathom how you're so defensive of Mick Cronin. The guy isn't winning much. He get's the the tourney most years and that's about the only thing you can say for him.
Winning is the entertainment, but since we don't do that at a high enough level I've had to adjust my expectations. At this point I'd settle for being able to watch a basketball game that's more exciting than watching paint dry.
What im saying is he didn't "flourish" here. He would have been an All American on most teams his senior year. I think playing for Cronin actually held him back from being an AA in multiple years.
now wait I'm confused. Cronin doesn't recruit well or get talented players he doesn't develope them but he has made the dance 5 years running and only 11 teams can match that streak. If he was a horrible coach and recruiter how does he do it?That's kind of a hard thing to prove...so I'm not sure I will argue against it either. However, on most teams he may not have been the only man on the team that could score. If we had several options like some teams...he would have maybe appeared more average. He may have never gotten a shot in a place like KY. The fact of the matter is...he scored a lot of points and was the sole focal point of the D. He was self motivated which helps...but those are usually the guys who are coachable too.
I'm not arguing that Cronin is a great producer of talent by any means...but we can't just discount every success story either
now wait I'm confused. Cronin doesn't recruit well or get talented players he doesn't develope them but he has made the dance 5 years running and only 11 teams can match that streak. If he was a horrible coach and recruiter how does he do it?
Not defensive at all. If they fire him tomorrow I'll still be a cat fan. Fact is there are many programs that do not get to the tourney. Only 11 have made it 5 years running. if you want him gone to elevate the performance I'm all for that but his replacement dam sure better be making the tourney every year. My point is I think Mick has done a good job overall. I won't bore you with all the obstacles he overcomes I'm sure you have heard them before. I want to see him operate with a new Locker room, Upgraded arena and not every dollar going to the Football program. If the results haven't got better at that point fire him. Trust me Mick will not be out of work long. Quite honestly I admire him for taking on this challenge. My opinion is Coaching in your home town isn't a easy.