I really think you care more about being right then what is best for UC (given this was a silly post)
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Red_N_Black_Attack
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Nothing the Big 12 is doing right now can be called reality - they are bigger than life and this "thought" could solve several fears of expansion.
It's been done before - when the B!G added Penn State. More conference games, keep the round robin format. Increased strength of schedule, no scheduling issues trying to get all teams an equal amount of home games. The BYU issues on heels of Baylor scandal, Houston isn't going to be easy for northern teams to accept.
I ASK WHY?
Why in the world would you interview 18 schools for the Big 12? Seems like a big waste of time, but in this PC world maybe they want to make people feel good. IMO, they know who they would support right now. The more they listen to, the more it muddies the water. After all these shenanigans, they will probably stay 10.
Why in the world would you interview 18 schools for the Big 12? Seems like a big waste of time, but in this PC world maybe they want to make people feel good. IMO, they know who they would support right now. The more they listen to, the more it muddies the water. After all these shenanigans, they will probably stay 10.
Bearcat_NTS
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How was the scrimmage today coach?
I tried to look at the scrimmage thru your eyes, so everything sucked. The offense stunk due to my poor play calling, my missed assignments, my lack of strength, and my poor recruiting. Ditto for the defense. I am going to recommend we cancel the season and start looking for a new coach who can scream and holler, run up and down the sideline, and meet your requirements. I'm just going to sit on my couch and copy you, by being negative about absolutely everything, criticize everything, second guess everything.
Thanks for asking! TT
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I believe they are "interviewing" 18 schools to deflect from the backlash of a quick decision. When they make the announcement later in the week, it helps negate the "you didn't even consider USF!" arguments.
Red_N_Black_Attack
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Per Greg Flugaur
https://mobile.twitter.com/flugempire
Big 12 is looking to place itself in firm footing beyond 2024 and is setting itself up to have zero involvement with ESPN.
UCF is in contention to get into ESPN territory.
BYU has next step to make public statement regarding changes to Honor Code. If no public statement, they are out.
Looks like 14 is magic number.
Other teams willing to give Texas Houston in return for agreeing to move to 14.
UC is mentioned in every four team addition scenario.
Still just tumors, but positive rumors.
https://mobile.twitter.com/flugempire
Big 12 is looking to place itself in firm footing beyond 2024 and is setting itself up to have zero involvement with ESPN.
UCF is in contention to get into ESPN territory.
BYU has next step to make public statement regarding changes to Honor Code. If no public statement, they are out.
Looks like 14 is magic number.
Other teams willing to give Texas Houston in return for agreeing to move to 14.
UC is mentioned in every four team addition scenario.
Still just tumors, but positive rumors.
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On again off again depending on who is talking. 10, 12, 14, and 16 teams are all the most likely scenario. How can anyone think they have any reliable info with all the existing info basically contradicting each other.
All I know is if it says UC it's legit...lol
Every day, a reporter breathlessly cites "sources" claiming to know exactly what's going on inside the Big 12. Some of it might be true, but all of it can't be true simply because the of plethora of contradictions.
Logic and common sense is a useful tool here. Is Arkansas State really being considered? Folks, I've televised games in Jonesboro within the past year. TRUST ME, the Big 12 isn't going there. It's like going to Anderson Township with about half the businesses on their version of Beechmont Avenue. Plus, their TV market is essentially Memphis. C'mon.
The names that overlap in 99.9% of the conversations (outside of the disingenuous ESPN clan) names BYU, Cincinnati, Houston. I know nothing about BYU's appeal or the B12's interest so it's hard to comment. However, I've lived in Houston for about 4 years. For 3 of those 4 years, nobody said a word about the University of Houston or it's athletics. I attended the UC-Houston game 3 years ago at BBVA Compass Stadium (a downtown soccer stadium with about a 22,000 capacity) and they couldn't put 10,000 in there. Now, they've built a nice on campus football facility and made some nice coaching hires, but their entire argument for the B12 consists of 1 very good football season and politics. Politics are important, sure. But the Texas schools can't make decisions in a vacuum here. And Houston has as many things going against it as going for. Do I think they're being seriously considered? Sure. But to put them as the B12's #1 choice casts all fact, logic and common sense aside.
Cincinnati, logistically, would not be a B12 fit under normal circumstances. But consider all the facts we've heard from the conference over the past 4-5 years and dovetail it with how hard UC officials (fmr President Ono leading the way) has worked ingratiating us with the Big 12 while the rest of these johnny come lately schools have dithered.
-If they choose to expand, their preferred direction is north/northeast, to take advantage of untapped TV/recruiting markets (this is not you, BYU);
-They want a travel partner for West Virginia;
-They want a school that befits their academic reputation (bye bye, Houston and Memphis);
-They want a school that can be competitive immediately (this has surfaced recently, not sure it's true but makes some sense).
Using the above criteria, name another school on any list up to and including 18 that checks every box.
Also consider that UC is the only school not currently engaging in some variety of overt campaigning. They've DONE their due diligence. The groundwork has been long laid, paved and paid for.
Is UC a lead pipe lock to get in? Of course not. The Big 12 could still decide not to expand. Maybe a FedEx plane lands in Dallas and drops off a next day air package that pops open Chris Mills-style with a hundred million dollars in it and Memphis gets in. Maybe Boren is a Jonesboro native. Anything is possible.
What I am saying is that if logic and common sense rule, then Cincinnati is the obvious and only choice. And I'm confident and comfortable (for a change) with the work that our officials put in over the course of years to get us in. Nobody can say that UC dropped the ball in any way. They've done all they can do.
If I were a betting man, I'd put a significant chunk of my discretionary income on UC getting in, followed by BYU, Houston or maybe Memphis. It's the only thing that makes sense.
Logic and common sense is a useful tool here. Is Arkansas State really being considered? Folks, I've televised games in Jonesboro within the past year. TRUST ME, the Big 12 isn't going there. It's like going to Anderson Township with about half the businesses on their version of Beechmont Avenue. Plus, their TV market is essentially Memphis. C'mon.
The names that overlap in 99.9% of the conversations (outside of the disingenuous ESPN clan) names BYU, Cincinnati, Houston. I know nothing about BYU's appeal or the B12's interest so it's hard to comment. However, I've lived in Houston for about 4 years. For 3 of those 4 years, nobody said a word about the University of Houston or it's athletics. I attended the UC-Houston game 3 years ago at BBVA Compass Stadium (a downtown soccer stadium with about a 22,000 capacity) and they couldn't put 10,000 in there. Now, they've built a nice on campus football facility and made some nice coaching hires, but their entire argument for the B12 consists of 1 very good football season and politics. Politics are important, sure. But the Texas schools can't make decisions in a vacuum here. And Houston has as many things going against it as going for. Do I think they're being seriously considered? Sure. But to put them as the B12's #1 choice casts all fact, logic and common sense aside.
Cincinnati, logistically, would not be a B12 fit under normal circumstances. But consider all the facts we've heard from the conference over the past 4-5 years and dovetail it with how hard UC officials (fmr President Ono leading the way) has worked ingratiating us with the Big 12 while the rest of these johnny come lately schools have dithered.
-If they choose to expand, their preferred direction is north/northeast, to take advantage of untapped TV/recruiting markets (this is not you, BYU);
-They want a travel partner for West Virginia;
-They want a school that befits their academic reputation (bye bye, Houston and Memphis);
-They want a school that can be competitive immediately (this has surfaced recently, not sure it's true but makes some sense).
Using the above criteria, name another school on any list up to and including 18 that checks every box.
Also consider that UC is the only school not currently engaging in some variety of overt campaigning. They've DONE their due diligence. The groundwork has been long laid, paved and paid for.
Is UC a lead pipe lock to get in? Of course not. The Big 12 could still decide not to expand. Maybe a FedEx plane lands in Dallas and drops off a next day air package that pops open Chris Mills-style with a hundred million dollars in it and Memphis gets in. Maybe Boren is a Jonesboro native. Anything is possible.
What I am saying is that if logic and common sense rule, then Cincinnati is the obvious and only choice. And I'm confident and comfortable (for a change) with the work that our officials put in over the course of years to get us in. Nobody can say that UC dropped the ball in any way. They've done all they can do.
If I were a betting man, I'd put a significant chunk of my discretionary income on UC getting in, followed by BYU, Houston or maybe Memphis. It's the only thing that makes sense.
UCalum08
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Urban Meyer said he believes UC should be in the Big 12 and he is a fan of ours. No more to speculate, we need to be in.
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The longer this drags out, the more I worry that the Big 12 decides to hold off on expansion...at least until they have their first conference championship game under their belt. Brett McMurphy was saying something along these lines or Dari and Mel yesterday. They may find in 2 years that they've made the playoff in 3 of 4 years of its existence. And the inevitability of it moving to 8 teams on top of that, may make them re-evaluate. Our best chance is to hope they do something rash, as they are now. Or that they don't make the playoff in at least 1 of the next 2 years.
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Good post. I agree on every count.
There are certainly potential scenarios that don't include UC, but I like our chances.
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I somewhat agree with the logic here, but the conference has financial incentives and becomes more stable with the addition of two or four more schools.
Hopefully we all find what the decision will be soon - preferably this week.
I take this as another good sign we're in or very close, just like Kasich getting on board late.
I agree, we should be the #1 candidate and I think they are having serious debate about BYU, Houston, and Memphis. We have been consistent in athletics, we have solid academics, and we will have the 4th largest endowment of all B12 schools on day one. We have a very good TV market, and are close to WVU. We also are in a desirable recruiting area. We have completely transformed our campus over the last decade, invested in our facilities, and just announce a $120mil investment into our business school.
The only real negative right now is Tubberville....
After reading your reply, I would have sworn it was from BEARCAT_NTS ("the only real negative right now is Tubberville". If I was you, I would first learn the coach's name--it is Tuberville. Did you ever think that it could be a positive having Tuberville and his resume' as our coach? Same with Mike Bohn and his Big 12 connections? You think having some young coach with no background or resume' would help our chances of getting into the Big 12? If we get into the Big 12, do you think it might help having TT when it comes to recruiting in the Big 12 territory? Think man, think!
david aka the TYZ
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I whole heartedly believe Tuberville is only still here for his name and the chance it might help get into the Big 12. I think a coaching change could somehow hurt our resume even though all logic points to they need to move a different direction.
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Tuberville was 9-17 in the Big 12 right before coming to UC. I guess I don't really see how having him helps in that regard. I think having a good coach would help the most. Hopefully Tuberville gets it right this year.
david aka the TYZ
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I think just having stability helps and he is a known name. I think it's BS too, but if governors have influence why wouldn't a good ole boy coach? When old rich white men get together, logic and sense kind of go out the window. Money talks and being connected matters alot. Tuberville is part of that fraternity and I think firing him when you've already sent out material promoting him can only hurt your case. Keep status quo alive and don't rock the boat.
ucdave
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If this drags out into September, I agree with you. I'm guessing they can't really say anything until the BOT's meet for all schools involved. UC's BOT next meets on August 23. It wouldn't surprise me if we hear something about it at the end of that week. But this is the Big 12 so who knows? Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I think it will happen. I thought I read somewhere that the Big 12 wants to make the announcement before college football starts. UC's first game is Sept 1. So the end of August at least makes sense as far as an official announcement.