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Tuberville was 9-17 in the Big 12 right before coming to UC. I guess I don't really see how having him helps in that regard. I think having a good coach would help the most. Hopefully Tuberville gets it right this year.

UC is betting on him being a known guy (he was or still is president of some national coaching association). I personally don't think it makes much of a difference but there certainly is a"good old boy" element to Tubby.
 
I think someone said it earlier, stability is key. I'm not a Tuberville fan but I don't think it makes sense to make a switch until after UC is in the Big 12. You don't want to give off the perception of instability during this time for sure.
 
Yes Sir! Thank you TT for helping us get into the Big 12, now get the hell out of here. That makes sense.
 
Yes Sir! Thank you TT for helping us get into the Big 12, now get the hell out of here. That makes sense.

Honestly......that's kind of how I feel. I may be off-base, but I've gotten the vibe that TT is kind of coasting the rest of his career out. He moved here to be closer with family. I think if Tubs was in his 40s and was "all-in", he wouldn't be giving up 51 point by halftime vs USF. Just feel like he's in retirement-mode.

I would love to see UC get a fresh start in the Big 12 with a young, motivated coach. Tuberville has done "okay", but I think after this season, it's something to consider. Time to start looking at the future, and I'm not sure TT should be a part of it. Our first couple years will likely be rebuilding anyway, so why not rebuild with a new coach with potential?
 
If UC were to get into the Big 12, Tubs should be fired the same day.

I respectfully disagree. Coach BJ left the cupboards bare. TT's first, i.e. late recruiting class are true seniors this year and many of them redshirted. TT should be given assurances that he will coach through the end of the 2017 season and then be re-evaluated. The fact that Ross Trail and Hayden Moore are not only pushing, but ahead of a consensus five star recruit shows me he is a good talent evaluator. I'll grant you that Gunner has his problems, but Hayden has tore up defenses in limited play and by all accounts Ross is neck and neck with him. The defense was terribly young and injury riddled last year, but still showed vast improvement. TT gets a full cycle of playing with his players. There are still quite a few Coach BJ players on this team (red shirt seniors).


If we get into the Big 12 and TT is a reason, then he deserves these next two years. Part of the evaluation in 2017 will include performance versus realistic expectations as the competition will be much stronger if we play a Big 12 schedule in 2017.

I am also factor in conference strength of schedule. Like it or not, the AAC is much stronger than the last years of the Big East.
 
This conversation has devolved into people talking about how Tommy Tuberville is helping us get into the Big 12?

All the speculation and "sources" have run their course. First it was 4 teams, then it was 2, then it was Fox and ESPN trying to block, then it was Fox being onboard, then it was Tulane as the darkhorse, then it was......................

Bottom line is the ONLY people who know what's going to happen are the B12 presidents and they don't even know yet because it hasn't been voted on. All the rest is just bullcrap. One thing is certain, the minute the vote is done and the B12 knows what is going to happen we'll also know what's going to happen. Secrets this big don't last in today's media climate.

Everyone step back, realize the endless "sources" and "rumors" are all crap, and just enjoy the fact that UC has positioned itself as a logical top selection for the B12 if and when they decide to expand.
 
Every day, a reporter breathlessly cites "sources" claiming to know exactly what's going on inside the Big 12. Some of it might be true, but all of it can't be true simply because the of plethora of contradictions.

Logic and common sense is a useful tool here. Is Arkansas State really being considered? Folks, I've televised games in Jonesboro within the past year. TRUST ME, the Big 12 isn't going there. It's like going to Anderson Township with about half the businesses on their version of Beechmont Avenue. Plus, their TV market is essentially Memphis. C'mon.

The names that overlap in 99.9% of the conversations (outside of the disingenuous ESPN clan) names BYU, Cincinnati, Houston. I know nothing about BYU's appeal or the B12's interest so it's hard to comment. However, I've lived in Houston for about 4 years. For 3 of those 4 years, nobody said a word about the University of Houston or it's athletics. I attended the UC-Houston game 3 years ago at BBVA Compass Stadium (a downtown soccer stadium with about a 22,000 capacity) and they couldn't put 10,000 in there. Now, they've built a nice on campus football facility and made some nice coaching hires, but their entire argument for the B12 consists of 1 very good football season and politics. Politics are important, sure. But the Texas schools can't make decisions in a vacuum here. And Houston has as many things going against it as going for. Do I think they're being seriously considered? Sure. But to put them as the B12's #1 choice casts all fact, logic and common sense aside.

Cincinnati, logistically, would not be a B12 fit under normal circumstances. But consider all the facts we've heard from the conference over the past 4-5 years and dovetail it with how hard UC officials (fmr President Ono leading the way) has worked ingratiating us with the Big 12 while the rest of these johnny come lately schools have dithered.
-If they choose to expand, their preferred direction is north/northeast, to take advantage of untapped TV/recruiting markets (this is not you, BYU);
-They want a travel partner for West Virginia;
-They want a school that befits their academic reputation (bye bye, Houston and Memphis);
-They want a school that can be competitive immediately (this has surfaced recently, not sure it's true but makes some sense).

Using the above criteria, name another school on any list up to and including 18 that checks every box.

Also consider that UC is the only school not currently engaging in some variety of overt campaigning. They've DONE their due diligence. The groundwork has been long laid, paved and paid for.

Is UC a lead pipe lock to get in? Of course not. The Big 12 could still decide not to expand. Maybe a FedEx plane lands in Dallas and drops off a next day air package that pops open Chris Mills-style with a hundred million dollars in it and Memphis gets in. Maybe Boren is a Jonesboro native. Anything is possible.

What I am saying is that if logic and common sense rule, then Cincinnati is the obvious and only choice. And I'm confident and comfortable (for a change) with the work that our officials put in over the course of years to get us in. Nobody can say that UC dropped the ball in any way. They've done all they can do.

If I were a betting man, I'd put a significant chunk of my discretionary income on UC getting in, followed by BYU, Houston or maybe Memphis. It's the only thing that makes sense.

I agree with alot of what you are saying, but I think you didn't the place enough emphasis on TV markets. If the B12 is truly moving away from ESPN, it will need as many eyes as possible to make them attractive in 2024. Especially so if they are going to pursue a partner like Netflix. Due to this, I believe UCONN and UCF's TV markets will make them likely additions. If it goes to 4 teams, I would expect UC, Houston, UCONN, and UCF.
 
I agree with alot of what you are saying, but I think you didn't the place enough emphasis on TV markets. If the B12 is truly moving away from ESPN, it will need as many eyes as possible to make them attractive in 2024. Especially so if they are going to pursue a partner like Netflix. Due to this, I believe UCONN and UCF's TV markets will make them likely additions. If it goes to 4 teams, I would expect UC, Houston, UCONN, and UCF.

Tv market size doesn't equate to viewers. The large market would have to actually be interested in what was being put on the network.
 
Tv market size doesn't equate to viewers. The large market would have to actually be interested in what was being put on the network.

Amen. Alumni numbers willing to pay for new outlets will be a key factor. The popularity of UC to the alumni is at an all time high with successes and sustained on campus memory making for recent grads. This could be yet another leg up for UC.
 
The networks want UT and OU in conferences they already own. Consolidating conferences reduces the overall payout and increased demand by having more top tier programs than lower tier programs.

Not all networks. ESPN wants them to consolidate conferences. Netflix and Amazon will likely be looking for live sport properties and would want to avoid consolidation. Media is changing and the value of the Big 12 to Netflix could be huge in 2024.
 
Not all networks. ESPN wants them to consolidate conferences. Netflix and Amazon will likely be looking for live sport properties and would want to avoid consolidation. Media is changing and the value of the Big 12 to Netflix could be huge in 2024.

Agreed. That's why I don't think the Big 12 should be too worried about upsetting ESPN or Fox. Things will look very different by 2024. I think there will be more competition bidding for access to sports programming.

If that's what they believe, then they should go ahead and add 4 now rather than 2.

Hopefully we'll know soon.
 
Good Football Four podcast with George Schroeder and Dennis Dodd on Big 12 expansion. They say expansion is a coin-flip and adding 4 doesn't seem likely. Dennis Dodd said he'd put BYU and Houston as of now, but there are 3 schools for 2 spots and the BYU controversial issue might make them want to just avoid them altogether. George Schroeder called us a safe pick that doesn't have any warts.
 
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Good Football Four podcast with George Schroeder and Dennis Dodd on Big 12 expansion. They say expansion is a coin-flip and adding 4 doesn't seem likely. Dennis Dodd said he'd put BYU and Houston as of now, but there are 3 schools for 2 spots and the BYU controversial issue might make them want to just avoid them altogether. George Schroeder called us a safe pick that doesn't have any warts.

Not sure what his exact reasoning is, but Dodd is nearly the only non-biased writer I've found that seems to consistently have UC as the 3rd best option, at best. Everyone else I've read has UC as 1 or 2. He must just love the upside on BYU and Hou and think we're simply a "safe bet", which to me is silly to truly believe Houston has more upside than we do. But then again, I am biased.
 
Not sure what his exact reasoning is, but Dodd is nearly the only non-biased writer I've found that seems to consistently have UC as the 3rd best option, at best. Everyone else I've read has UC as 1 or 2. He must just love the upside on BYU and Hou and think we're simply a "safe bet", which to me is silly to truly believe Houston has more upside than we do. But then again, I am biased.

Dennis Dodd was talking a lot about market and branding. He said BYU has both and operates like a P5 already.

They also said they heard (and iladmitted it was said hyperbolically) that Houston couldn't get 8 votes for, and was actually more likely to get 8 against.
 
Not sure what his exact reasoning is, but Dodd is nearly the only non-biased writer I've found that seems to consistently have UC as the 3rd best option, at best. Everyone else I've read has UC as 1 or 2. He must just love the upside on BYU and Hou and think we're simply a "safe bet", which to me is silly to truly believe Houston has more upside than we do. But then again, I am biased.

I am biased too but, Houston as a strong candidate is completely bullshit. Except for one good football season in last year, they bring zero to the table. Academics is shit. The fan base in that city is terrible and almost non existent for UH. They have zero support for their MLS team as well. While we draw 10k+ consistently for our USL team. Houston only benefits UT and the fact Houston is even being considered pisses me off.
 
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