Big East expanding

[Thegreatone]

I enjoyed the part where The Ralph called LL a baboon.

I truely believe that UC wants the Big East to survive but understands that it is unlikely to ever be stable.

Mick and Pitino will do everything they can to keep their schools in Big East.

I think UC joins Big XII with WVU and U of L.

 

[ralph1950]

Me Clueless? No no Ralphy whats clueless is telling bearcatnews that John Riek would be a bearcat and that he would bring us a national championship. Im still waiting.

While you where over there being clueless I was informing bearcatnews that Lance Stephenson would be a bearcat... a month before anyone else.

You have zero insider information. You never have. You never will.

Riek did sign with UC but did not qualify to play, not my fault. It was me, not you, who first posted Lance would be a Bearcat, you read from my post on cincinnati.com and then reported it on bearcatnews.

If Missouri leaves the Big 12 it is the Big East who will be inviting Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State to join the Big East. UC, UofL, and WVU are 100% all in to the Big East as the Big 12 makes no sense to UC, UofL, or WVU when they have BCS status and Madison Square Garden in the Big East. The Big East has the largest TV market of all in New York City, the TV markets in Norman, OK, Columbia, MO, etc. are small compared to the Cincinnati, Louisville, New York, Tampa, etc. markets.

 

[UCBearcats]

Riek did sign with UC but did not qualify to play, not my fault. It was me, not you, who first posted Lance would be a Bearcat, you read from my post on cincinnati.com and then reported it on bearcatnews.

If Missouri leaves the Big 12 it is the Big East who will be inviting Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State to join the Big East. UC, UofL, and WVU are 100% all in to the Big East as the Big 12 makes no sense to UC, UofL, or WVU when they have BCS status and Madison Square Garden in the Big East. The Big East has the largest TV market of all in New York City, the TV markets in Norman, OK, Columbia, MO, etc. are small compared to the Cincinnati, Louisville, New York, Tampa, etc. markets.

First of all Ralph, Madison Square Garden is going to be the new home of the ACC basketball championship. That's basically a done deal already. No matter what shakes out with the Big East we are going to lose MSG as our tournament home.

Why would Kansas, K-State and Iowa State leave the Big-12 to come to the Big East? The Big-12 just annouced equal profit sharing among all it's schools.

No point arguing this with you any further. This round of conference realignment has nothing to do with basketball. It's all about football, and as a football brand the Big East is on life support. It's only a matter of time until someone pulls the plug. If we want to stay a relevant football program we need to make a move and I don't see UC giving up on their football program. Staying in the Big East would be doing just that.

 

[Thegreatone]

Big East has MSG locked up for next 4 years....

No way LL had any info concerning Lance before anyone else. That was the one 32.

Ralph's prediction was about a healthy John Riek who was the #1 center in the country and #4 over all player after completely demolishing the AAU circuit.

Rivals was very high on John Riek and he had offers from everywhere before his knee went to hell.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

West Virginia (to the SEC) and UCONN (to the ACC) are whoring themselves out to get out of the Big East. We really need the Big 12 to call our number...

 

[ralph1950]

West Virginia (to the SEC) and UCONN (to the ACC) are whoring themselves out to get out of the Big East. We really need the Big 12 to call our number...

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State want out of the Big 12. If Missouri decides to exit those 4 are not far behind. They were good as gone a couple of weeks ago had the PAC 12 decided to expand. UC and UofL know this, the Big East will invite Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State when the Big 12 implodes. The Big 12 is a dead conference, it offers nothing to UC or UofL.

 

[Kingsley Court]

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State want out of the Big 12. If Missouri decides to exit those 4 are not far behind. They were good as gone a couple of weeks ago had the PAC 12 decided to expand. UC and UofL know this, the Big East will invite Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State when the Big 12 implodes. The Big 12 is a dead conference, it offers nothing to UC or UofL.

It's interesting, I've heard the same exact thing about the Big East. ESPN was reporting a coach from the big east sent a text declaring the big east was finished. I know that could be a lie, or false reporting, but I feel like the Big East is in more danger of falling apart than the Big 12. If the Big 12 wants, it could probably pick and choose who they want from the Big East.

It would surprise me if UC were to be offered the big 12, that they would make the bonehead decision not to join it.

 

[Kingsley Court]

West Virginia (to the SEC) and UCONN (to the ACC) are whoring themselves out to get out of the Big East. We really need the Big 12 to call our number...

Ralph seems blind to the fact that many Big East schools are trying to get out.

 

[ralph1950]

Ralph seems blind to the fact that many Big East schools are trying to get out.

You are blind to the fact that 1) the Big 12 is unstable, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State want out 2) the 15 Big East Presidents met on Sunday and agreed to commit themselves to the Big East and approved the Commissioner to find schools to expand the conference 3) UC has on several occasions including again last night publicly stated they are committed to the Big East as the Big East is absolutely the right place for them.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Ralphy is an idiot, complete moron.

UC wants out of the Big East, EVERYONE does.

Lets go. Round Two fools. I right hooked Ralphy in round one, he was out for the count till thegreatfool jumped all over his junk and caudeled him him up.

Ban the legend. However remember the Legend cannot be banned, his followers are in the millions.

 

[DontMissHim]

You are blind to the fact that 1) the Big 12 is unstable, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State want out

If they wanted out, don't you think they would have taken the offer from the Pac? You honestly don't think Uconn and WV are looking to get out of the Big East?

Also, have you heard of coaches talk? Texas A&M and the SEC each denied reports that they were in talks. A week later Texas A&M left the Big 12 and was part of the SEC. If you want to believe UC is 100% committed to being in the Big Eat, thats fine- but to say they want to stay in the Big East because they said so is ignorant.

 

[ralph1950]

If they wanted out, don't you think they would have taken the offer from the Pac? You honestly don't think Uconn and WV are looking to get out of the Big East?

Also, have you heard of coaches talk? Texas A&M and the SEC each denied reports that they were in talks. A week later Texas A&M left the Big 12 and was part of the SEC. If you want to believe UC is 100% committed to being in the Big Eat, thats fine- but to say they want to stay in the Big East because they said so is ignorant.

The PAC 12 decided not to expand at the present time, you must have missed reading about it in the newspapers and online. There was no offer to the four to join the PAC 12 so Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State are merely bidding their time in the Big 12 until an offer comes along. The Big 12 is a sinking ship and will implode as soon as Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State get the right offers. It would be a very dumb idea for UC, UofL, and WVU to join a sinking ship.

 

[cincycpaw]

The PAC 12 decided not to expand at the present time, you must have missed reading about it in the newspapers and online. There was no offer to the four to join the PAC 12 so Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State are merely bidding their time in the Big 12 until an offer comes along. The Big 12 is a sinking ship and will implode as soon as Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State get the right offers. It would be a very dumb idea for UC, UofL, and WVU to join a sinking ship.

Except of course if you are already floating alone in the ocean because your first ship already sunk. Better to be in a boat with some holes and duct tape then no boat at all.

 

[UCBearcats]

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State want out of the Big 12. If Missouri decides to exit those 4 are not far behind. They were good as gone a couple of weeks ago had the PAC 12 decided to expand. UC and UofL know this, the Big East will invite Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State when the Big 12 implodes. The Big 12 is a dead conference, it offers nothing to UC or UofL.

The PAC 12 decided not to expand at the present time, you must have missed reading about it in the newspapers and online. There was no offer to the four to join the PAC 12 so Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State are merely bidding their time in the Big 12 until an offer comes along. The Big 12 is a sinking ship and will implode as soon as Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State get the right offers. It would be a very dumb idea for UC, UofL, and WVU to join a sinking ship.

Quotes above from two separate posts Ralph. You seem to be contradicting yourself. You claim that the Big12 is unstable because OU, OKST, TTU, and Texas want out but you turn right around and say the Pac 12 decided not to expand. So you understand that the Pac 12 is not expanding but you still think that the 4 schools mentioned above have another option? Yes, OU and Texas want a stable league but even if they did decide to go where are they going? The SEC can't take them all, the Pac 12 isn't looking to expand.

You also talk about how the Big East just met saying that they are committed to the league. Guess what? The Big 12 just did the same thing and now Mizzou is actively seeking out another conference.

I guess it is still possible that OU, OKST, TTU, and Texas all bolt for the Pac 12 if they decide to expand. In that case I do agree that there would be some sort of a Big East / Big 12 merger.

Simple fact is that if UC is offered a Big 12 invite along with UL and WVU all 3 will accept and leave the Big East. Why wouldn't they? You think L'Ville is going to forgo the opportunity to reap the benefits of the money they've invested into football over the last 10 years because Pitino prefers to play in the Big East? There would still be great basketball to be played in a new Big 12.

None of us know what’s going to happen. No one on this board is an insider. We’re all spreading rumors and going off of what we’re hearing or reading. I am hoping that an invite comes from the Big 12, and common sense says that UC would be ludicrous to reject an invite. If you think that we would turn down a Big 12 invite I think you’re out of your mind.

 

[JasonS]

Ok, here is what is going on. It is pretty easy to read the tea leaves:

- OU, Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State were all prepared to leave the Big 12.
- The Pac 12 couldn't get the votes needed to accept them but would have if they could have received the votes
- 2 reasons it didn't happen: First the Longhorn Network made schools uneasy. Second, the lower half of the league has a hard enough time competing with the upper eschelon and don't want to have to climb over 3 (or 4 if TT is ever good again) more teams to be relevant

- The Big 12 is trying to gain stability by requiring teams to sign documents that would keep them in the league for 6 or 13 years (depending on who you believe). Money and the fear of losing all revenue for those amount of years are what would keep the schools there. Missouri is holding it up by not deciding what they want to do.

- If Missouri goes, the Big 12 could potentially explode. More than likely, they pick up a few more teams, sign the deal and have some stability for years to come. If Missouri stays, the Big 12 is good to go as is and will add at least 1 more team to get to 10. 12 is preferred by most members.

- The Big East is likely done if Missouri leaves. If Missouri stays, it will depend on the SEC. The SEC has said they are comfortable at 13 teams for now and for several years. Not sure I buy it. If they poach an ACC school, the Big East will probably lose UCONN (unless ND flips their position). If the SEC takes WVU, the Big East is essentially toast anyway.

- The only scenerio where the Big East takes schools from the Big 12 are if the SEC or ACC takes Texas or Oklahoma (assuming mutual interest - more from Texas than OU in my opinion) OR if the four schools mentioned before actually get the invite to the Pac 12. The only way this happens is if the Pac 12 commissioner can convince the Washington States and Oregon States of the world that this is a good idea. I don't see it happening right now.

- My guess if things were to blow up: Missouri leaves and goes to the SEC (big mistake btw), the Big 12 offers UL and UC and maybe WVU or TCU. I see BYU staying independent and I see UCONN getting screwed unless the ACC feels bad for them and takes them. ND stays independent knowing it will always have a home in the Big 10 if need be. Rutgers will try to wedge their way into the ACC with UCONN and USF will go back to conference USA.

- If Missouri stays put, I think things will stay status quo until the Big East extends their offers to other schools. 10 schools isn't really much better than 9 other than ease of scheduling. I think the Big 12 will go from 9 to 12 and not 9 to 10.

 

[bearcat jeff]

The University of Cincinnati has been adamant during the latest round of conference realignment that its top priority is to remain a member of a viable Big East Conference.

But what if that option doesn’t exist? What if further shuffling means the end of the Big East as an automatic qualifying BCS conference? What happens to the Bearcats then?

The only logical destination for UC if it wants to hold onto its AQ status is the Big 12, which has managed to hold onto Texas and Oklahoma but lost Texas A&M to the Southeastern Conference and is now dealing with the possible loss of Missouri to the SEC.

UC has been mentioned as a candidate for the Big 12, but not as prominently as fellow Big East member Louisville; TCU, which is scheduled to join the Big East next year; and current independent BYU. West Virginia has also been mentioned as a possible Big 12 candidate.

A look at UC’s plusses and minuses as it negotiates the realignment landscape:

Financial resources: According to June 30, 2010 figures from the Department of Education, UC ranks last in the Big East in football revenue with $13,325,304 and last in expenditures at $11,599, 780. In the Big 12, Texas took in $93,942,815 and spent $25,112,331. Only Kansas State, with $11,157,789, spent less than UC.

Recent success: Despite their 4-8 record last year the Bearcats have been to BCS bowl games in two of the last three years and sold more tickets than either of their opponents for those games.

When UC joined the Big East in 2005, some skeptics questioned whether the Bearcats could compete successfully in the conference.

They’ve proven that they can and they’ve done it with fewer financial resources than every other school in the league.

Television market: Cincinnati is ranked 34th among the top 100 TV markets in the country, according to the Station Index web site. That’s ahead of both Louisville at No. 50 and Morgantown, which is not listed among the top 100.

Stadium: Nippert Stadium is a charming, historic site on-campus site, but in many ways it outdated because of its lack of revenue-generating luxury suites and club seating.

But the Bearcats are fortunate to have 65,535-seat Paul Brown Stadium as a second option. When UC played Big 12 member Oklahoma there last year the game drew 58,253 fans.

For PBS to serve as the Bearcats’ primary home, UC would have to negotiate favorable long-range terms with the Bengals and Hamilton County, including exploring the possibility of deriving revenue from the club seating and suites.

Facilities: UC has significantly upgraded its facilities in recent years to the point where the Bearcats are above average in the Big East. But if UC were to move to the Big 12 to compete against the likes of Texas and Oklahoma, more would have to be done.

Fan base: Despite a spike in attendance in recent years, UC has not been a consistent draw. The Bearcats have not sold out a game at Nippert Stadium since Nov. 27, 2009 and drew only 23,282 for their home opener this year against Austin Peay.

UC coach Butch Jones has talked frequently about building a culture where local fans turn out to watch the Bearcats play regardless of their opponent. That’s a tougher sell in a major league market with an NFL team. UC is not there yet.

Academics: UC has an excellent academic profile. When Georgia Tech was admitted to the prestigious 63-member American Association of Universities two years ago UC was mentioned in a Chronicle of Higher Education article as one of a handful of schools that could make a strong argument for inclusion.

But it’s hard to say how much of a factor academics are in a landscape dominated by greed, self-survival and television money.

Given all that, it’s no surprise that UC’s top priority is to remain in the Big East. From a competitive standpoint, the Bearcats fit much better in the Big East, where it has already shown it can compete successfully and where there are no dominant schools such as Texas and Oklahoma.

That’s not to say UC couldn’t compete in the Big 12 if it came to that, but it would require a much larger commitment from the school and its fan base.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20111005/SPT0101/310050033/The-realignment-landscape-UC

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Getting into the Big 12 would be the easiest way for UC to improve its facilites, commitment to athletics and fan support. Rather than the other way around...as long as UC is in the Big East the Athletic Department will continue to be MAC/CUSA level.

 

[ucdave]

Looks like TCU to the Big 12.

Gonna have to change the title of this thread to: "Big East Shrinking".

 

[ralph1950]

Looks like TCU to the Big 12.

Gonna have to change the title of this thread to: "Big East Shrinking".

The Big East is going to expand with say ECU, Temple, UCF, Navy, and FIU.

 

[anbuc88]

The Big East is going to expand with say ECU, Temple, UCF, Navy, and FIU.

And this is going to stabalize the conference??? LOL. Any of the remaining football schools will bolt as soon as a reasonable alternative is offered. The basketball side of the conference is also infinitely worse with these additions. Let's hope our administration isn't stupid enough to think that is a conference that can be saved and they are working the phones to make sure that a Big12 invitation is on the way.