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What seed will UC get?

  • 1-2

    Votes: 9 14.5%
  • 3

    Votes: 27 43.5%
  • 4

    Votes: 15 24.2%
  • 5

    Votes: 9 14.5%
  • 6

    Votes: 2 3.2%
  • 7 or worse

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    62
So here's the quirky thing about Cincinnati ... Metrics have the Bearcats in line with their spot on the Seed List today. UC is 9-2 vs. Quadrants 1 and 2, and 5-1 in true road games. Yet, Bearcats' only "win vs. field" is SMU (Last 4 In)

while Quadrants matter, all teams within a certain grouping are not the same. How Committee discerns that will be interesting

I’ll be curious to see how the Committee views their profile when they release their initial rankings in mid-February.


yeah this is the part that is concerning to me. thank goodness they went to quadrants and hopefully they just blindly follow the win totals.


because if the system was still like last year, we'd be sitting at 0-1 vs the top 25 and 3-2 vs the top 50. the team across town is 2-1 vs top 25 and 6-3 vs top 50.


but with the quadrants we are 9-2 vs a and b and they are 9-3. that looks so much better for us.
 
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yeah this is the part that is concerning to me. thank goodness they went to quadrants and hopefully they just blindly follow the win totals.


because if the system was still like last year, we'd be sitting at 0-1 vs the top 25 and 3-2 vs the top 50. the team across town is 2-1 vs top 25 and 6-3 vs top 50.


but with the quadrants we are 9-2 vs a and b and they are 9-3. that looks so much better for us.

I agree...we can't look too good right now in high quality wins. But we still have not played Houston or WSU and we have a road game vs SMU coming up as well.

We are back loaded. As a fan or an analyst I would be somewhat hesitant to put too much weight on column wins and losses so far. The quantity is not going to stack up to the quality in many cases when comparing our team results to other conferences.

If we go 5-3 in column 1 but our average win was rpi #50 compared to another team who has an average rpi of #25...we will not get the same treatment...nor should we.
 
If we go 5-3 in column 1 but our average win was rpi #50 compared to another team who has an average rpi of #25...we will not get the same treatment...nor should we.



but you still can't look at it like that. average win of 50 without home/road/neutral is what they wanted to do away with i think.


we project to have a very good road record vs quadrant one. that can only be a good thing. Of all our projected group 1 wins, only 1 is at home. That is pretty in some pretty good work away from home which has always meant something to the committee.



is beating 29 at home better than beating 64 on the road? it looks better for average rpi win. but according to how they divided up the quadrants both are back end of group 1 wins. to then use average rpi win defeats the entire quadrant purpose i think.
 
but you still can't look at it like that. average win of 50 without home/road/neutral is what they wanted to do away with i think.


we project to have a very good road record vs quadrant one. that can only be a good thing. Of all our projected group 1 wins, only 1 is at home. That is pretty in some pretty good work away from home which has always meant something to the committee.



is beating 29 at home better than beating 64 on the road? it looks better for average rpi win. but according to how they divided up the quadrants both are back end of group 1 wins. to then use average rpi win defeats the entire quadrant purpose i think.

I agree and I think this goes without saying. A win against #30 at home will look like #50 neutral or #75 away. The algorithms will take care of all of that ranking stuff. We don't have a lot of high quality wins in there...that's the problem. WSU gives us the best chance at getting a signature win...which we do not have and will not have probably with Houston or SMU. We lost the other two chances we already had.

We need WSU to win win win! We need Houston and SMU to win win win. We need the rest of the teams to stay in their quadrants or to get into one.
 
We need WSU to win win win! We need Houston and SMU to win win win. We need the rest of the teams to stay in their quadrants or to get into one.
Agreed. UConn and UCF are near the 75 cutoff. Memphis and Tulane are near the 135 cutoff. Outside of WSU, Houston and SMU winning, I think the next priority is those 4 teams staying on the right side of the cutoffs.
 
Agreed. UConn and UCF are near the 75 cutoff. Memphis and Tulane are near the 135 cutoff. Outside of WSU, Houston and SMU winning, I think the next priority is those 4 teams staying on the right side of the cutoffs.

Assuming we beat UCF and UConn I don't have a lot of hope for them staying in quadrant 1 away games. If they do it could be at the detriment to other teams like WSU, SMU or Houston.

How in the hell can we maximize this schedule so that we get the most teams into their preferred columns and at the same time maximizing our quality wins?

Einstein probably had an easier time with the Theory of General Relativity....lol!
 
UConn can finish top 75 by going 6-4. That could include these wins: @UCF, USF, Tulsa, @ECU, Memphis, Temple.

UCF can finish top 75 by going 5-5. That could include these wins: @Memphis, USF, @Tulsa, @Temple, Tulane.

It would be a miracle for both to be in Group 1, but it's not impossible. Obviously the odds go up if one of them happens to knock off one of the top four. Or they could both finish outside the top 75.
 
UConn can finish top 75 by going 6-4. That could include these wins: @UCF, USF, Tulsa, @ECU, Memphis, Temple.

UCF can finish top 75 by going 5-5. That could include these wins: @Memphis, USF, @Tulsa, @Temple, Tulane.

It would be a miracle for both to be in Group 1, but it's not impossible. Obviously the odds go up if one of them happens to knock off one of the top four. Or they could both finish outside the top 75.

Yah...the whole double edged sword thing. They can't beat up each other and they can't beat the top tier teams. They have to win all their other games.

If we are beating all the teams at the bottom of tier 1 it's not going to look all that great. We need WSU to start performing awesome.! WE need Houston to go on a run. If that means SMU drops to tier 2...so be it. Let's get 2 teams into the dance and 1 of them a high caliber team.
 
Also saw Lunardi tweeted that is MSU loses we could be moving into the 2 seed spot. Even to be there in a prediction is great.
 
I would love a 2 or a 3. We can probably only lose 2 more games total for a 3. Winning the conference tournament would go a long way in getting a good seed. Not really worried about many teams this year. Think we can beat anyone. Trey young is kind of scary.
 
I would love a 2 or a 3. We can probably only lose 2 more games total for a 3. Winning the conference tournament would go a long way in getting a good seed. Not really worried about many teams this year. Think we can beat anyone. Trey young is kind of scary.

I'm not worried about Oklahoma at all. They would probably really struggle against a D like ours. But I agree, the more it's clearing up, the more it's looking like a 3 is most likely for us. I think we lose 1-2 more regular season games and actually win our tourney this year. Would be hard for them to not at least put us on the 3 line
 
Now that NFL is finally over, lots of attention is going to turn to college hoops. We gotta show the nation why we belong. Isn't the committee Top 16 coming out soon? It's gonna be nice to have our name up there.
 
Now that NFL is finally over, lots of attention is going to turn to college hoops. We gotta show the nation why we belong. Isn't the committee Top 16 coming out soon? It's gonna be nice to have our name up there.

Next Sunday at noon i believe. Handle business tomorrow and we will see how much respect/disrespect we get.
 
Next Sunday at noon i believe. Handle business tomorrow and we will see how much respect/disrespect we get.

Yeah, I remember it going on when we are @SMU. I am more interested to see if they actually use and bring up this new Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 game resume.
 
I would love a 2 or a 3. We can probably only lose 2 more games total for a 3. Winning the conference tournament would go a long way in getting a good seed. Not really worried about many teams this year. Think we can beat anyone. Trey young is kind of scary.

Every time I start thinking about our seeding possibilities I start writing and then I remember we probably have our 4 toughest conference games remaining yet and two senior night away games. Then I erase what I was writing.

The good thing is we have a team right now who has been playing off campus for the first time and they are doing a great job of holding that home win streak. For a program that has struggled outside of our true home arena in recent years...I think that is a big deal. We have played a lot of teams this year who have lost right before our game with them...making them very hungry. We have been down double digits and battled back and we have been pushed to the wire on the road and pulled it out. There are only a few teams that have Played UCF with Fall and Taylor both in the game. We are a team doing all of this with one of our most talented players and best scorers only averaging 20 minutes or so.

For every time I think we might be a bit overrated I start to think about why we might be underrated. This team has responded to a two game losing streak in Dec. Washington is really starting to get it and playing more within himself. We have a wild card on the bench who can help in March. We are playing like the 2nd best D in the Kenpom era. We have a couple of no nonsense veterans who we can give the ball and not worry about them getting caught up in the moment.

I could go on and on...but the positives are stacking up. I am always a cautiously optimistic fan. It only gets tougher from here...but these guys have been displaying the toughness I want to see! After that FLA game I would not have expected to run off 14 straight. Things are very good right now!
 
CBS Sports has moved us up to a 3 seed from a 4 seed. They just updated. Anyone know what channel that bracket show is on Sunday?
 
Also saw Lunardi tweeted that is MSU loses we could be moving into the 2 seed spot. Even to be there in a prediction is great.

I think at the end of the day Michigan State will be behind us. They are currently in the 20s for RPI and only have 1 top50 win, 2 Q1 wins. On blind resume, they might already be behind us honestly.

They need to win the BTT or beat Purdue to help themselves at all. 5 of their 6 remaining games are against RPI teams worse than 100. 4 of those games are on the road. What are the odds they take a horrible loss out of those 4? Decent imo

And none of that even factors in all the likely distractions and issues that could be coming for them sooner rather than later.
 
Every time I start thinking about our seeding possibilities I start writing and then I remember we probably have our 4 toughest conference games remaining yet and two senior night away games. Then I erase what I was writing.

The good thing is we have a team right now who has been playing off campus for the first time and they are doing a great job of holding that home win streak. For a program that has struggled outside of our true home arena in recent years...I think that is a big deal. We have played a lot of teams this year who have lost right before our game with them...making them very hungry. We have been down double digits and battled back and we have been pushed to the wire on the road and pulled it out. There are only a few teams that have Played UCF with Fall and Taylor both in the game. We are a team doing all of this with one of our most talented players and best scorers only averaging 20 minutes or so.

For every time I think we might be a bit overrated I start to think about why we might be underrated. This team has responded to a two game losing streak in Dec. Washington is really starting to get it and playing more within himself. We have a wild card on the bench who can help in March. We are playing like the 2nd best D in the Kenpom era. We have a couple of no nonsense veterans who we can give the ball and not worry about them getting caught up in the moment.

I could go on and on...but the positives are stacking up. I am always a cautiously optimistic fan. It only gets tougher from here...but these guys have been displaying the toughness I want to see! After that FLA game I would not have expected to run off 14 straight. Things are very good right now!

yeah, we will know a lot more in 2-3 weeks. Going undefeated in that stretch is what separates a good team from a great team and a good seed from a great seed. If we ran the table, (I doubt we will but hope we do), we would have to be in that last 1 seed, first 2 seed talk.
 
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