Coach Tuberville

[ZCat]

I am not a colrain grad just personally know him and have heard combs say uc would be his dream job a few years back. He's in his 50s I think he's like 54 honestly but I get he's happy at osu and wouldn't leave for an extremely small school but there's 0 chance he would turn down the job here and not come home. I get its a big jump for him, but players would do anything for him (I mentioned earlier the petition the uc players got together to try and convince the AD to hire him after butch left), they would play with an attitude and always show up. Also cinci is booming with talent and he'd keep it all here and that's some big time talent. Now for specht and Ramsey its a little different a few years back they would have been all over it, but this is a huge opportunity for them and can't see them turning it down (also both have good relationship with combs). Would it all work? My opinion I think you'd all love the disciplined tough product they'd put out there each week, combs and specht are tough fiery coaches I think it'd be awsome. But that's just my opinion

Thanks Rob. I just think it would be a huge jump for Ramsey and Specht.

 

[UCBearcats]

Kerry Coombs, Doug Ramsey, Steve Specht???

The fact that you guys are serious is very disturbing........someone close this thread please, the entire thing is a disgrace.

 

[Red_N_Black_Attack]

Kerry Coombs, Doug Ramsey, Steve Specht???

The fact that you guys are serious is very disturbing........someone close this thread please, the entire thing is a disgrace.

Amen!!

I have nothing against Kerry or any other coaching candidate, but speculating on the next coach on an open forum when the current coach just signed an extension is tacky.

Let's turn this to constructive criticisms. e.g. I'd like to see Tubs teaching open field tackles. I'd like to see Tubs present with the assistant coaches (you can be present without micromanaging). I'd also like to see 2-300 more stalls. Fans will drink more beer (more dollars spent) if not for fear of missing the game.

Back on topic, Tubs is building a solid base that will be something special. I like the way he is challenging Gunner Kiel and hope the QB coach is making a real difference in Kiel's life. However, I further like that Moore isn't being given the job (or even the back-up) and think Ross Trail will be special for next few years. The defense was young, but grew up a lot last year. A solid O-line and skill positions.

The success of this team truly rests on the QB. Which one can stand the pressure and deliver?

 

[UCBearcats]

Amen!!

I have nothing against Kerry or any other coaching candidate, but speculating on the next coach on an open forum when the current coach just signed an extension is tacky.

Let's turn this to constructive criticisms. e.g. I'd like to see Tubs teaching open field tackles. I'd like to see Tubs present with the assistant coaches (you can be present without micromanaging). I'd also like to see 2-300 more stalls. Fans will drink more beer (more dollars spent) if not for fear of missing the game.

Back on topic, Tubs is building a solid base that will be something special. I like the way he is challenging Gunner Kiel and hope the QB coach is making a real difference in Kiel's life. However, I further like that Moore isn't being given the job (or even the back-up) and think Ross Trail will be special for next few years. The defense was young, but grew up a lot last year. A solid O-line and skill positions.

The success of this team truly rests on the QB. Which one can stand the pressure and deliver?

I'm not offended by the fact that people are speculating on the coach, I'm offended that people are so uninformed that they would support the idea of hiring Kerry Coombs and putting Steve Specht and Doug Ramsey on his staff as coordinators. As if college football is so simple that you can just hire all the high school coaches in your city and somehow dominate. It's absolutely absurd and anyone who suggests it and isn't kidding should be permanently banned from ever discussing sports again.

 

[UCalum08]

Amen!!

I have nothing against Kerry or any other coaching candidate, but speculating on the next coach on an open forum when the current coach just signed an extension is tacky.

Let's turn this to constructive criticisms. e.g. I'd like to see Tubs teaching open field tackles. I'd like to see Tubs present with the assistant coaches (you can be present without micromanaging). I'd also like to see 2-300 more stalls. Fans will drink more beer (more dollars spent) if not for fear of missing the game.

Back on topic, Tubs is building a solid base that will be something special. I like the way he is challenging Gunner Kiel and hope the QB coach is making a real difference in Kiel's life. However, I further like that Moore isn't being given the job (or even the back-up) and think Ross Trail will be special for next few years. The defense was young, but grew up a lot last year. A solid O-line and skill positions.

The success of this team truly rests on the QB. Which one can stand the pressure and deliver?

I wish I could be more optimistic about the state of our football program. I'm not renewing my season tickets this year until I see some positive improvements in a lot of areas. QB play, coaching, but most importantly our defense. Mac schools have better defenses than us. It was a disgrace to watch the last two seasons and rather embarrassing. Our guys could not tackle, play in position and do basic fundamentals. I was a student from 04-08 so I witnessed our best football. It makes me sick to see how quickly we have fallen. I surely don't have confidence Tuberville is the guy to get us out of this hole our administration and previous coaches have dug us in.

 

[L-T]

I'm not offended by the fact that people are speculating on the coach, I'm offended that people are so uninformed that they would support the idea of hiring Kerry Coombs and putting Steve Specht and Doug Ramsey on his staff as coordinators. As if college football is so simple that you can just hire all the high school coaches in your city and somehow dominate. It's absolutely absurd and anyone who suggests it and isn't kidding should be permanently banned from ever discussing sports again.

Mick Cronin was coaching freshman basketball at Woodward, then running a VCR here for a year or two, and 8 years later was a head coach in the Big East.....and bringing Withrow's coach along to help him as an assistant.....and look at the massive basketball success we've had. There's precedent here. I say let's roll the dice and do it in football too. Coombs has at least had 10 full years on the sideline of some very successful Div. 1 teams. Maybe we'll catch lightening in a bottle twice....lol.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Do any of you think there is anything he can do to save his job? Personally, I've seen enough. I don't trust the guy. I don't see the willingness to compete at a high level. I don't see that changing either. The support for him just isn't there. I have not seen anyone speak out on his behalf. Type 'Tuberville' into Twitter and just look at the stuff some people are saying. There's even a petition going around trying to get him fired. I'm just not sure how he can reverse that, especially since this has been building for a few years now. I can't imagine that many will be motivated to spend their money, or get the least bit excited about the football team if he is still around after this season.

 

[JasonS]

Do any of you think there is anything he can do to save his job? Personally, I've seen enough. I don't trust the guy. I don't see the willingness to compete at a high level. I don't see that changing either. The support for him just isn't there. I have not seen anyone speak out on his behalf. Type 'Tuberville' into Twitter and just look at the stuff some people are saying. There's even a petition going around trying to get him fired. I'm just not sure how he can reverse that, especially since this has been building for a few years now. I can't imagine that many will be motivated to spend their money, or get the least bit excited about the football team if he is still around after this season.

At this point, in my opinion, he has to win out to save his job. It's not happening so, I guess, no, nothing can be done.

 

[M64W]

"STAND BY YOUR MAN"

Do any of you think there is anything he can do to save his job? Personally, I've seen enough. I don't trust the guy. I don't see the willingness to compete at a high level. I don't see that changing either. The support for him just isn't there. I have not seen anyone speak out on his behalf. Type 'Tuberville' into Twitter and just look at the stuff some people are saying. There's even a petition going around trying to get him fired. I'm just not sure how he can reverse that, especially since this has been building for a few years now. I can't imagine that many will be motivated to spend their money, or get the least bit excited about the football team if he is still around after this season.

I stand by TT. If you think he wants to lose or doesn't have the desire to win, you all are nuts. A coach is only as good as his players, and many of his players are not good enough. Back a few years ago (Dantonio, Kelly, Jones) the Bearcats were in the Big East and much easier to recruit. That is not the case now. UC is surrounded by schools in the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC. This is why it is critical to get into a Power 5 conference. Since we are not, it is terribly difficult to recruit at the needed level, and to get assistant coaches to come to UC. Stand by your man, and pray that UC gets in the Big 12.

 

[#BearcatNation]

I stand by TT. If you think he wants to lose or doesn't have the desire to win, you all are nuts. A coach is only as good as his players, and many of his players are not good enough. Back a few years ago (Dantonio, Kelly, Jones) the Bearcats were in the Big East and much easier to recruit. That is not the case now. UC is surrounded by schools in the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC. This is why it is critical to get into a Power 5 conference. Since we are not, it is terribly difficult to recruit at the needed level, and to get assistant coaches to come to UC. Stand by your man, and pray that UC gets in the Big 12.

You can blame some on the players, sure, but it's far more than the players. It's the fact that he's completely ruined a season due to a grudge with a QB. It's because he surrenders in games by punting or kicking a 48 yd FG with a BACKUP KICKER when going for it on 4th down is vital to keep the game within reach. It's the lack of discipline that is seen everywhere.

Like most of you, I've seen enough as well. I think he has the desire to win, sure, but he doesn't care like he used to. He appears to have completely checked out. We need a young, up-and-coming coach to come in a light a fire. Get people motivated; something we haven't seen since Butch.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I stand by TT. If you think he wants to lose or doesn't have the desire to win, you all are nuts. A coach is only as good as his players, and many of his players are not good enough. Back a few years ago (Dantonio, Kelly, Jones) the Bearcats were in the Big East and much easier to recruit. That is not the case now. UC is surrounded by schools in the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC. This is why it is critical to get into a Power 5 conference. Since we are not, it is terribly difficult to recruit at the needed level, and to get assistant coaches to come to UC. Stand by your man, and pray that UC gets in the Big 12.

Why do fellow AAC teams have players who are good enough? We aren't losing to P5 programs here. Our last 4 losses are by an average of 30.5 PPG. We aren't even close.

And Tuberville was 9-17 in the Big XII at Texas Tech. Not sure why rhatd improve at all here.

 

[JasonS]

Why do fellow AAC teams have players who are good enough? We aren't losing to P5 programs here. Our last 4 losses are by an average of 30.5 PPG. We aren't even close.

And Tuberville was 9-17 in the Big XII at Texas Tech. Not sure why rhatd improve at all here.

I was actually excited when they hired Tuberville because I thought he could get players to come here. I figured a name coach with history in the SEC and Big 12 could land talent. What I am seeing is not the lack of talent on the roster (lack of depth of talent, yes) but rather the inability to coach them up to compete at the highest level. That's the problem in my book and signals the time to make a change. I don't actually think Bohn will pull the trigger and fire him at season's end even though I think he should. I can live with poor play calling. I cannot live with a near 50 yard FG with a backup kicker when down 18 points halfway through the 4th quarter and only needing 5 or 6 yards for a first down.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I was actually excited when they hired Tuberville because I thought he could get players to come here. I figured a name coach with history in the SEC and Big 12 could land talent. What I am seeing is not the lack of talent on the roster (lack of depth of talent, yes) but rather the inability to coach them up to compete at the highest level. That's the problem in my book and signals the time to make a change. I don't actually think Bohn will pull the trigger and fire him at season's end even though I think he should. I can live with poor play calling. I cannot live with a near 50 yard FG with a backup kicker when down 18 points halfway through the 4th quarter and only needing 5 or 6 yards for a first down.

I liked the Tuberville hiring at the time as well, for the same reasons.

No way Bohn is dumb enough to keep him around next year though. In the last 2+ seasons, we've lost 9 games by 2+ TDs (we've lost a few close games as well). We have come to far, and put too much money into this program to just get beat down so regularly.

 

[JasonS]

I liked the Tuberville hiring at the time as well, for the same reasons.

No way Bohn is dumb enough to keep him around next year though. In the last 2+ seasons, we've lost 9 games by 2+ TDs (we've lost a few close games as well). We have come to far, and put too much money into this program to just get beat down so regularly.

I hope you are right. I don't have that confidence in Bohn though. I'll take the wait and see approach.

 

[JasonS]

I stand by TT. If you think he wants to lose or doesn't have the desire to win, you all are nuts. A coach is only as good as his players, and many of his players are not good enough. Back a few years ago (Dantonio, Kelly, Jones) the Bearcats were in the Big East and much easier to recruit. That is not the case now. UC is surrounded by schools in the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC. This is why it is critical to get into a Power 5 conference. Since we are not, it is terribly difficult to recruit at the needed level, and to get assistant coaches to come to UC. Stand by your man, and pray that UC gets in the Big 12.

Tuberville was something like 9-16 in the Big 12 so what makes you so sure he can win if UC gets in that league? I was only an advocate of keeping him to show stability as UC makes it's pitch to get into the Big 12. Now that the likelihood of expansion decreases with every ludicrous, albeit expected, decision or lack thereof from the Big 12, I don't see Big 12 expansion as definite as it was even 30 days ago. UC's best bet, after we see what non-decision the Big 12 makes on 10/17, is to move on from Tommy Tuberville and find a coach that can put UC's program back to what it was over the last decade. In short, a competitive, Top 25-30 program that regularly competes for conference titles with an opportunity to win big and go to big bowl games every 4 to 5 years. That's what this program was and what it should be today. Get into a power 5 conference and the expectations might change a bit.

For the record, my expectations for the basketball team are similar. Compete for conference titles every year (doesn't mean win it every year), go to the NCAA Tourney yearly, and have a chance to make a deep run every 4 years or so. Get into a better conference and those expectations change too.

 

[Madman81]

how much is still owed to tt? he just got an extension in the offseason. it's very possible that we'll be held back from a cost perspective from moving on.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

how much is still owed to tt? he just got an extension in the offseason. it's very possible that we'll be held back from a cost perspective from moving on.

I'm not good with the financial stuff when it comes to coaching contracts...but I do wonder, how much revenue will be lost when no one shows up to the games next year if Tuberville is still coaching? Should that be factored in?

 

[Madman81]

I'm not good with the financial stuff when it comes to coaching contracts...but I do wonder, how much revenue will be lost when no one shows up to the games next year if Tuberville is still coaching? Should that be factored in?

sure. in a world of perfect information, that'd be great. the trouble in this situation is how difficult it is to quantify the cost of lost revenue from declining fan support, especially in comparison to the cost of axing the coach, which is an easily quantifiable amount.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Hiring an up and coming coach at a lower salary than what tuberville makes could potentially pay for his buyout. If his buyout truly is $1 million then money isn't an issue. I can't for the life of me see tuberville still here next year. If he is I might give my seats up and I really would hate to do that. I support the Bearcats, meaning the university and the student athletes. But this team has so clearly fallen so far it's ridiculous. I honestly can't believe they brought him back this year but think, at least I'm hoping, they did solely for continuity for the Big 12. But honestly hanging on to a coach that has no control over his team and has run it into the ground shows me you're not serious about your program. And to those comparing Cronin to tuberville needs their heads examined. You don't like Cronin fine, but simply put, Cronin is all in and at least wins with lesser talent. Hes shown he can gameplan and coach flawed teams and still win at a decent clip. Tuberville takes a team at the top of the conference and with talent and quickly loses to lesser teams. And has gotten completely embarrassed and humiliated by some not so good teams. Tuberville doesn't even conduct practice, he shows up the first few minutes then leaves. Tell me a player that wants to play for a coach that can't even stick around for practices. Tuberville is an embarrassment. And most of you know by the history of my posts that I'm not a negative nancy. I'm so fed up with him. I want a coach that has some inkling of how to adjust to the current state of college football. Someone who is hungry and gets his players hungry. Someone who will get his team to come out and play hard and punch the other team in the mouth. Tuberville blamed Ross trail being young for not taking advantage of the soft coverage in south Florida's D. No coach it's your job to see them in soft coverage and throw the ball down field, not repeatedly make every throw at or behind the line of scrimmage. Our team plays so clueless. That's on you head coach and it's been four years. You've been in football for decadesssssss. Shouldn't you know how to take advantage of a defense by now or teach guys how to tackle and go at players, bot stand and wait for a play to happen, then react. There were two punts where they didn't fair catch and our player waited at their side for them to catch and start running before attempting to tackle them. Time the ball and pop that mfer so he doesn't catch it. The defense moves into blockers rather than try to get around them. Your job isn't to pick up guys trying to block you, it's to try and keep them from blocking you. It's just mind boggling to watch how bad this team is and that is solely on coaching. I don't care what conference we're in, we have the same recruiting advantages and disadvantages as other teams in the conference. No excuses for five or six teams jumping us in just a few years. We were the top dog, we had the talent, we recruit the same players to the same conference. The difference is how you coach your team and get your team to perform. Tuberville obviously has failed miserably at this. This team is undisciplined and doesn't play sound fundamental football and doesn't play with hunger or passion. Sure we got fired up when a top ten team came in, that's easy. I want you fired up every time you're on the field. You should be seeing how big you can beat the UT Martin's and Miamis on the schedule, not squeeking by them and playing from behind in the second half. Ughhhh. Rant over

 

[jacobkdoyle]

David I think you summed things up very nicely.

You mention Tuberville at practice and wanting a hungry coach...another reason I want Fleck. That guy wears cleats to practice and runs around like a maniac coaching his ass off. I heard him in a postgame press conference after routing Georgia Southern and he was talking about how exhausted the whole staff was from coaching so hard and adjusting on the fly. We need energy in the worst way. And like others, I don't mind if a young guy is using us as a stepping stone (assuming we stay in the AAC) bc if a big name comes calling, that means we have had a very nice few year run.