Cronin vs Huggins

[TheLongHaul]

Explains the brain damaged posts you make...

burn!! lol

 

[waterhead]

Keep the Huggins vs Cronin stuff here or state of the program related threads. There is a legitimate conversation to be had but not in threads related to specific games or specific recruits.

If you find yourself needing to debate our current coach in relation to past coaches...put them in an appropriate thread.

 

[L-T]

Here's a time magazine article about who wins March Madness in the classroom.

http://time.com/3745396/march-madness-classroom/

The University of Cincinnati sadly has a men's basketball graduation success rate that ranks 60th of the 64 listed schools that played in March Madness with a GSR of 43%. Only New Mexico St., Oklahoma St., Wisconsin, and Indiana finished lower than us. As the article shows, they did an academic bracketed field of 64, and just like on the basketball floor, we were knocked out in the first round of this bracket as well. Some interesting facts.....even Kentucky more than doubled our academic success rate. Louisville almost doubled up on us. Even Huggs, now that they are giving him credit for his actual graduates. more than doubled up on Mick with an 89% graduation rate. Only 16 schools were able to surpass Huggs. It's pretty embarrassing that schools like Kentucky, Louisville, West Virginia, and many others are now destroying us in the classroom. It's amazing how hush-hush this has been in the media and on this website.

 

[#BearcatNation]

Here's a time magazine article about who wins March Madness in the classroom.

http://time.com/3745396/march-madness-classroom/

The University of Cincinnati sadly has a men's basketball graduation success rate that ranks 60th of the 64 listed schools that played in March Madness with a GSR of 43%. Only New Mexico St., Oklahoma St., Wisconsin, and Indiana finished lower than us. As the article shows, they did an academic bracketed field of 64, and just like on the basketball floor, we were knocked out in the first round of this bracket as well. Some interesting facts.....even Kentucky more than doubled our academic success rate. Louisville almost doubled up on us. Even Huggs, now that they are giving him credit for his actual graduates. more than doubled up on Mick with an 89% graduation rate. Only 16 schools were able to surpass Huggs. It's pretty embarrassing that schools like Kentucky, Louisville, West Virginia, and many others are now destroying us in the classroom. It's amazing how hush-hush this has been in the media and on this website.

How accurate is this? Xavier always claims they've graduated every basketball player since the '80s. That link disagrees.

 

[L-T]

How accurate is this? Xavier always claims they've graduated every basketball player since the '80s. That link disagrees.

Go to NCAA.org. You can find those GSRs on there also. They match. These other sites don't have the 2016 numbers yet, but NCAA.org shows us at 50% for last year....Huggs dropping to 85% I believe.

 

[L-T]

GSRs for Xavier last 7 years.....91, 91, 89, 100, 100, 93, 92

 

[Madman81]

who cares? play basketball.

 

[waterhead]

who cares? play basketball.

If you don't care all that much (which I don't) then you don't need to worry about the grad rate debate. Just move along to a different thread and hopefully it won't show up there again...lol!

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Here's a time magazine article about who wins March Madness in the classroom.

http://time.com/3745396/march-madness-classroom/

The University of Cincinnati sadly has a men's basketball graduation success rate that ranks 60th of the 64 listed schools that played in March Madness with a GSR of 43%. Only New Mexico St., Oklahoma St., Wisconsin, and Indiana finished lower than us. As the article shows, they did an academic bracketed field of 64, and just like on the basketball floor, we were knocked out in the first round of this bracket as well. Some interesting facts.....even Kentucky more than doubled our academic success rate. Louisville almost doubled up on us. Even Huggs, now that they are giving him credit for his actual graduates. more than doubled up on Mick with an 89% graduation rate. Only 16 schools were able to surpass Huggs. It's pretty embarrassing that schools like Kentucky, Louisville, West Virginia, and many others are now destroying us in the classroom. It's amazing how hush-hush this has been in the media and on this website.

So not only do we get out-recruited, we get out-graduated too? #DumpMick

 

[david aka the TYZ]

We need to define what goes into these rates to truly discuss. Jucos and transfers brought in counted against you before and that hurt Huggins numbers. But what's causing micks numbers? I'm guessing guys transferring out are the ones going against us. And where do they get these prime number percentages all over the spectrum? In any given year you have 0, 1, 2, 3, tops I remember under Cronin is 4 seniors. So shouldn't percentages be 0, 25, 33, 50, 67, 75 or 100 percent. And the same for any other school? X's numbers are 89, 91, 92, 93 percent???? How many seniors are on their team to get these percentages.

Bottom line, don't believe everything the media or especially the NCAA feeds you. Of every player I've known under Cronin they either graduated or went to another school and played. Then they are someone else's responsibility to graduate. Correct me if I'm wrong here someone, but who among our seniors under Cronin didn't graduate?

 

[GoCats88]

We need to define what goes into these rates to truly discuss. Jucos and transfers brought in counted against you before and that hurt Huggins numbers. But what's causing micks numbers? I'm guessing guys transferring out are the ones going against us. And where do they get these prime number percentages all over the spectrum? In any given year you have 0, 1, 2, 3, tops I remember under Cronin is 4 seniors. So shouldn't percentages be 0, 25, 33, 50, 67, 75 or 100 percent. And the same for any other school? X's numbers are 89, 91, 92, 93 percent???? How many seniors are on their team to get these percentages.

Bottom line, don't believe everything the media or especially the NCAA feeds you. Of every player I've known under Cronin they either graduated or went to another school and played. Then they are someone else's responsibility to graduate. Correct me if I'm wrong here someone, but who among our seniors under Cronin didn't graduate?

I was thinking the same thing, we had four seniors last year how do we end up at 56% or whatever it was lol.

 

[L-T]

There's no conspiracy in play against poor Mick. In a nutshell, when Huggs was graduating all his JUCOs and transfers, he got a big fat zero as a graduation rate. If a player transferred away from Huggs to another school, he got a big fat zero, even though that player was in good academic standing when he left and graduated at his new school. So, each athlete that transferred in and each one that transferred out were shown as academic failures for the University of Cincinnati. Anthony Buford, for instance, followed Huggs from Akron, graduated here, and was recorded as a zero.

In the early 2000s, the NCAA started giving us credit for transfers in who graduated, and if a player transferred out, as long as he was in good academic standing when he left, he wasn't counted against you, and the school he transferred to was given credit for his graduation. The reason for the weird percentages is factoring in all the transfers in and out and did they leave in good academic standing or not. Bottom line, Mick is operating under a highly favorable and relaxed standard compared to what Huggs had to endure, and is generating some pretty low numbers.

If you want to read about and see how it is calculated, here is the NCAA's explanation.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/How is grad rate calculated_nov_2015.pdf

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

In my opinion Mick has a ways to go to equal or surpass Bob's record. My problem with Huggins is all this could have been avoided had he not drove around the town drunk. I'm angry because a guy in his position has to know this. About the only thing dumber is sleeping with students. For all the good he did he ripped it all away with one stupid avoidable act. Look I understand everyone makes mistakes but as a educator he has to know this is a mortal sin. We always play the what if game around here. What if Bob was sober and led us into the Big east? We get Walker and Mayo and others and off we go. Instead we get a huge gap in recruiting and he takes two local kids to K-State and we are left reading about how the law suit is going. Now he is coaching at his alma mater in a P5 conference and we are left holding the bag. Yes Mick isn't huggins in many ways. Some I am happy about and some I am not.

 

[L-T]

In my opinion Mick has a ways to go to equal or surpass Bob's record. My problem with Huggins is all this could have been avoided had he not drove around the town drunk. I'm angry because a guy in his position has to know this. About the only thing dumber is sleeping with students. For all the good he did he ripped it all away with one stupid avoidable act. Look I understand everyone makes mistakes but as a educator he has to know this is a mortal sin. We always play the what if game around here. What if Bob was sober and led us into the Big east? We get Walker and Mayo and others and off we go. Instead we get a huge gap in recruiting and he takes two local kids to K-State and we are left reading about how the law suit is going. Now he is coaching at his alma mater in a P5 conference and we are left holding the bag. Yes Mick isn't huggins in many ways. Some I am happy about and some I am not.

Waite, a few days ago, it was graduation rates and drinking. Why is there no mention of graduation rates in this post? You told me how highly you value the "student" athlete process in this whole argument, and suddenly it is just drinking. I'm confused.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Waite, a few days ago, it was graduation rates and drinking. Why is there no mention of graduation rates in this post? You told me how highly you value the "student" athlete process in this whole argument, and suddenly it is just drinking. I'm confused.

The reason I didn't comment on your assertion that Huggins rate is better then Micks is because I can't make sense of the information. I'll accept your comment about huggins rate being better then micks but didn't we get sited under huggins. Would you like me to post the video of huggins arrest for you? I think My first comment in my post was that Mick had a ways to go before equaling huggins on the court accomplishments. Are you dening that we are partially in this spot because of poor judgment by huggins? Do you think the university over reacted. I believe you have posted many times that you were on board with micks hire. I'm confused.

Here is how I see it. huggins got his fat behind canned by his own doing. The BOT and him battled for two years over his termination costing us valuable recruiting time and a hit in the public relations area. They appointed a intern coach in Kennedy they had no intention of hiring. After a season they let him go. The BOT hired Mick which you were on board with initially. We moved to the Big East forming the toughest conference in the country with a least a 2 year gap in recruiting with a young coach from Murray ST. After 4 years we made it back to the tourney every year since. Oh and depending on how you interpret the graduation data huggins rate is better then Micks. We have made progress under Mick but still have a ways to go.