Mick a Candidate for UNLV?

[WAITE HOYT 2]

This is not unique to Mick. Check the Purdue fan sites after their loss to Little Rock. The fans that watch and care the most are going to be the most passionate and the most black and white.

Honestly - I give Mick props for rebooting the program that the university let a job-hopping anti-athletics egomaniac destroy. That said, he has failed to meet my expectations. It's time to step it up, this was his year and he failed. Lot's of unlucky bounces this year, but still a failure of a season. I believe the admin should have been looking around and creating a short list prior to the season in case Mick did fail and determine if change would be good. I applaud Mick for being smart enough to get ahead of this and maybe ditch first. If the University hasn't been doing their job for the last 12-24 months and is unable to replace Mick with an upgrade (if he leaves) then shame on them.

Without p5 and facilities firing Mick is pointless. He made the dance 6 years running while recruiting with one hand tied behind his back and you want him gone after what you consider a sub par season. Do you supervise people???

 

[waterhead]

Without p5 and facilities firing Mick is pointless. He made the dance 6 years running while recruiting with one hand tied behind his back and you want him gone after what you consider a sub par season. Do you supervise people???

But we are getting facilities no?

P5 will never be a guarantee

 

[JasonS]

But we are getting facilities no?

P5 will never be a guarantee

Until I see a date that construction will begin, no one knows for sure if we are actually getting the facilities. I think the intention is there. The guarantee is not. Fundraising is not complete yet. Do I think it will happen? Yes. I also think we will know by June if the Big 12 is expanding. If so, I think the facilities get the overhaul. If not, I'm not so sure.

Beyond the facilities, a private jet is absolutely huge for recruiting. Mick has had to raise funds himself for charter flights. No P5 schools are doing it this way. It's put up or shut up.

 

[waterhead]

Until I see a date that construction will begin, no one knows for sure if we are actually getting the facilities. I think the intention is there. The guarantee is not. Fundraising is not complete yet. Do I think it will happen? Yes. I also think we will know by June if the Big 12 is expanding. If so, I think the facilities get the overhaul. If not, I'm not so sure.

Beyond the facilities, a private jet is absolutely huge for recruiting. Mick has had to raise funds himself for charter flights. No P5 schools are doing it this way. It's put up or shut up.

It's kind of a catch 22. Some might say put a product on the floor that sells out and it will be easier to get you what you need. I think we can put a product on the floor that can sell out even without the upgrades.

I'm not sure which one should be the cart and which one should be the horse but the argument can be made both ways I guess

 

[Bcatfollower]

What programs are competing nationally without those things? The most 2 consistent midmajors in Gonzaga and VCU have outstanding facilities.

Uconn, butler had back to back nc aperances...

 

[waterhead]

It's kind of a catch 22. Some might say put a product on the floor that sells out and it will be easier to get you what you need. I think we can put a product on the floor that can sell out even without the upgrades.

I'm not sure which one should be the cart and which one should be the horse but the argument can be made both ways I guess

All it takes is one GREAT season and the fan base will be there and recruits will be more interested. We haven't had that season in over a decade

 

[TheRealUC]

You're being a masochist if you believe this. They are offering to make the man one of the 10 highest paid coaches in the country. Money talks, Cronin listens. Not anyone's fault that UNLV is making such a hard push.

Im not just talking about the fans, I'm talking about the vision for the program coming from the suits in the offices as well. If he feels "disrespected" by not getting the resources he feels he needs or gets a sense of a lack of commitment to the program then it's all basically the same. I mean, all this talk about how he may feel unappreciated and that he was never given a chance is coming from cincy news sources. I don't want him to stay cuz im a cronin guy, i want him to stay because i feel it's much more likely to get worse if he leaves. I'm all set with going through 2006-09 again.

 

[AZ BEARCAT]

Uconn, butler had back to back nc aperances...

Look at UCONN's recruiting class. STUDS

 

[AZ BEARCAT]

All it takes is one GREAT season and the fan base will be there and recruits will be more interested. We haven't had that season in over a decade

Was just thinking the same thing. What a shame this team was not healthy. I think they could have beat ST Joe and the Ducks and gave Duke a run with all their injuries.

 

[AZ BEARCAT]

Its a town that has its streets named after entertainers. They have monuments to gangsters. If he wins they will love him. The town loves its rebels.

WAITE. what do you know? In Vegas right now and just turned on Cronin blvd.LOL

 

[cincycpaw]

So 2-5 overall then in non-buzzer beaters. Better?

I don't know why buzzer beaters don't matter.... it's W-L not W-BBL-L.

This is the weirdest conversation about W-L ive seen in a while. When you find yourself making excuses for several losses it really tells you something.

 

[cincycpaw]

Without p5 and facilities firing Mick is pointless. He made the dance 6 years running while recruiting with one hand tied behind his back and you want him gone after what you consider a sub par season. Do you supervise people???

1 subpar season?

No - 1 epic failure of a season. There have been plenty of subpar. And yes I manage people, and if they don't fix what was wrong the year before, you get someone else.

If he stays, ok.... go win.

If he goes, ok, get someone from your short list and go get better.

 

[cincycpaw]

Mick has had to raise funds himself for charter flights. No P5 schools are doing it this way. It's put up or shut up.

This is by far the Mick's handicap IMO. I really wish they would have gotten something done sooner and remove this as an excuse. Then we'd either have better recruits or no excuse not to.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

WAITE. what do you know? In Vegas right now and just turned on Cronin blvd.LOL

Lol! Where you staying? If you haven't been to the red rock you should go. Very nice and lots of locals gamble there

 

[JasonS]

This is by far the Mick's handicap IMO. I really wish they would have gotten something done sooner and remove this as an excuse. Then we'd either have better recruits or no excuse not to.

Here we agree. Give him what he needs and see what happens. If nothing changes after a couple years, then it is time to move on. No one knows what Mick could do with the proper program funding. UL's budget for basketball is $12 Million per year. UC's? $6 Million. Yet Mick is expected to compete with and beat teams like UL. Something has to give.

 

[TheRealUC]

I don't know why buzzer beaters don't matter.... it's W-L not W-BBL-L.

This is the weirdest conversation about W-L ive seen in a while. When you find yourself making excuses for several losses it really tells you something.

It points out that there is a lot of luck involved in the game. thats all

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I'll preface this by saying who knows if this rumors has any merit to it or not...

But there was something on Twitter saying the sides were working on a way to avoid Cronin's buyout. I don't know the full details of the contract, but why would UC agree to waive the buyout?

 

[JasonS]

I'll preface this by saying who knows if this rumors has any merit to it or not...

But there was something on Twitter saying the sides were working on a way to avoid Cronin's buyout. I don't know the full details of the contract, but why would UC agree to waive the buyout?

That doesn't make any sense for UC. If you are going to lose your coach, you might as well get paid for it. I don't put a lot of stock in that one.

 

[TheRealUC]

From cincinnati.com…pretty much a little drop of everything thats been said here by u fine gentlemen:

"So, why would Mick even consider it? (And he’s at least listening.)

Because he plays in a sub-standard gym. Because compared to the other programs in this region (including the one across town) his is under-funded. Because maybe he feels that after 10 years in Clifton, it’s time to see what else is out there. I kinda doubt that, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

There is no forward momentum at the moment, in either football or basketball. In fact, you could argue that football’s mo’ is edging backward. A disappointing season, defections in the coaching staff, a so-so recruiting class. The bar set by Dantonio, Kelly and Jones is not being met, let alone exceeded.

And football has gotten all the money.

Without an invite to the Big 12, UC’s second-class athletic status will be secured. Without that TV money, Mick and TT can’t be expected to compete with the big boys. A recent NYTImes story said Louisville’s basketball budget is $12 mil; it put UC’s at $6 million.

For years, Mick’s work at UC went underappreciated. UC basketball was dead when he arrived. It’s now made the tournament six years in a row. The resurrection was remarkable, and Mick was the reason.

But there is a sense of inertia at the moment. Some places, making the tournament is enough. This isn’t one of those places. It doesn’t help that UC plays in a stop-gap league, mostly against schools nobody around here cares about. Or that the Power 5 programs have resources not available here.

(Check out the Sweet 16. See how many teams from non-5 schools are there. It’s two, Villanova and Gonzaga.)

If you’re among those who want Mick gone, ask yourself who’d do consistently better under the same restrictions. Fact is, UC is not big time. And until it finds a Power 5 home, it never will be."

Damn, Louisville has twice the budget we do?

 

[JasonS]

There was also a tweet out there from Cumberland's coach at Wilmington saying that he believes Cronin isn't going anywhere because he wouldn't leave his daughter.