Bcatfollower
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Mick's RECRUITING
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BWAHAHA Yeah, I'm sure when VCU made it, you predicted it huh?
Don't be stupid.
March after the first weekend, is all about luck. Nobody predicted UConn would win it in 2011. That's why it's called March Madness, not March Mundanity.
I like by the way, how you ducked the other part of my post. Were those teams crap for not hitting the final four? Is that why we retired K-Mart's jersey? Is that why a ton of the kids went to the NBA? If you're going to troll, you need to do a better job than that.
Bcatfollower
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Just becsuse its not predicted doesn't mean its luck... No one knows the outcomes but more often than not the better teams advance.
Kmart broke his leg so we will never know... And why is having as different opinion than you make me a troll?
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Aw I see. So we're Indiana now are we? Must have forgotten those five championships we won
Bcatfollower
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Aw I see. So we're Indiana now are we? Must have forgotten those five championships we won
Did you even read what that was in response to you moron? I like how half the people on this board think every other college that is good is some sort of blue blood royalty that uc cant compare to....
I'm sorry, are you saying that those years where they were still very good and winning conference championships are negated because they didn't make a final four? Consider how many teams there are who didn't make a final four any given year. They're not all bad, your expectations are just a bit batty.
And as far as the NCAA tourny goes, we seemed to do well last year. Sadly, some just complain to complain. A sweet 16 is not a bad year, anyone saying otherwise, should be looked at suspiciously, therefor, you're a troll.
I did read what it was in response to. I kind of typed what it was in response to... in case you hadn't noticed....
I like how people think recruiting to UC is the same as recruiting to IU, UNC or Duke. Rome wasn't built over night.
Bcatfollower
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I'm sorry, are you saying that those years where they were still very good and winning conference championships are negated because they didn't make a final four? Consider how many teams there are who didn't make a final four any given year. They're not all bad, your expectations are just a bit batty.
And as far as the NCAA tourny goes, we seemed to do well last year. Sadly, some just complain to complain. A sweet 16 is not a bad year, anyone saying otherwise, should be looked at suspiciously, therefor, you're a troll.
I also like how you only picked final fours out of my post and didnt redpond to the lack of be championships. Typical uneducated idiot...
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Inform me how long it takes please...please.... Please
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The Bearcats have won 10 of their last 14 games against ranked opponents. The players Mick recruited must do something right.
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People hate when you deal with emotional issues by using facts. It's time people stop looking for reasons to not support this program and realize they are pretty good and this coach has done a very good job.
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^ I think most here agree with the fact that Mick is doing a good job. This program had been elite and I think some want that back. That isn't such a bad thing. Mick has done very good with the talent he has gotten but most agree to take the program to the next level his recruiting level also has to increase. Very few, if any, on here don't support the program so I'm not sure where that comes from.
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I would argue that this program was never elite (since the 60s). I am as big a fan as there is but Huggs never saw an elite eight or better after 93 and only 2 sweet 16s I think. So, is a program elite because it went to 1 final four and 1 elite 8? Sure, they were number 1 and it may have been different had Kenyon not gotten hurt, but we will never know. The fact is UC underperformed time and time again in the NCAA Tourney.
UC wasn't pulling in a bunch of Blue Chippers in the late 90s and early 2000s. They had a couple but had most success by getting quality 4 year players who played great tough defense and rebounded the heck out of the ball. This doesn't sound all that different than Micks recent squads.
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We went to the Elite Eight in 1996 as well. But I get your point and think it's somewhat valid. We were pretty close to elite but probably not quite there because we had that knack for getting knocked off too early in the tournament.
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Yea, I do think they were elite for a while there. It declined later in Huggs tenure but a final four, elite 8's, multiple times #1 in the country would be pretty close to elite. They were up there with a handful of programs each and every year. And like you said, we will never know what would have happened Kenyon's senior year but they were incredibly dominate all season long and had the unanimous POY on the team....
BTW, UL was #1 for the first time ever and many would consider them elite.
BTW, UL was #1 for the first time ever and many would consider them elite.
UL is considered elite because of 2 National Championships and 9 Final Four appearances.
We are considered elite because of back-to-back National Championships and 5 straight Final Four appearances between 1959-1963. The rest is not good enough to be considered an elite program, although we had a very good run from 1992-1996. Following that period we had 6 different teams finish in the top 11 of the AP poll and all of them failed to reach the Sweet 16! That's not elite.
Recruiting definitely needs to improve to take the next step, but I don't believe it's as easy as some make it out to be. We've made the second week of the tournament three times in the last 19 years and there's not a long line of NBA greatness to point to. Unfortunately, this isn't a program that elite HS players grow up wanting to play for. I wish it was. Either we are going to have to develop more NBA talent or continue to make deep runs in the tournament to raise the recruiting profile. Ultimately, I believe that will happen here based on Mick's pattern of improvement and his overall commitment to the program.
Jeff, that was a great stat. Mick has room to improve as coach, but he's done a very good job thus far.
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For some reason I always block out that 96 team. Not really sure why. Thanks for the correction.
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Then I guess it all depends on how you define elite. IMO, during those years above, UC was considered one of the top 10 programs in the country....Either way, I think we would all like to get back to elite 8's and final fours. Most on here, myself included, got worn from the multiple first and second round losses but it seems now we'd be okay with it. I understand the rebuilding process but that is now in the past. The program has been rebuilt (from a great job by Mick), so I think it's fair to have those same expectations as we did before. That's basically my point. I like where the program is but I'd like them to be greater and frankly I think we all should.
As for recruiting, I don't think anyone really thinks it's easy. I just don't buy some of the excuses people throw out. Some are legit, some are bogus.
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I also think that recruiting is different now than how itwas in the mid 90's. College doesn't hold the same merit as it use to. Majority of the top players are going to go to the top tier schools and most of them have plans to leave after a year or so. With the way social media is and the large amount of prep schools and now even foreign players, recruiting is different. Everyone can argue about Mick's recruiting but let's be real, he is getting the best players he can. Its not his fault that a kid decides to go elsewhere. I also believe we will not get the top 20 recruits unless its once in a blue moon. Its just the way college basketball is.
