Mick's RECRUITING

[#BearcatNation]

Let's all just end this thread with the realization I am right. You have to have big time recruits(Top 100) to win championships. Have a great weekend CATS fans..

Do you really expect anyone here to like you with statements like this? You're also completely missing the point and not listening to anything anyone is saying. We've all just given up on arguing with you.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I wouldn't rate this incoming recruiting class until you see the talent on the court. Also, who is to say that Mick is done recruiting for next season. There is rumor of possible Mizzou transfer and Jermaine Lawrence is planning on a visit.

Michael Dixon is longshot but if we get Lawrence, will you still say recruiting is regressing?

I think you are going to be surprised when you see KJ, Caupain, Morman and Strickland. Morman is a throwback Bearcat and they all can fill it up and run. Definite upgrade over Larry Davis, D. Dixon.

 

[Gotcha23]

Do you really expect anyone here to like you with statements like this? You're also completely missing the point and not listening to anything anyone is saying. We've all just given up on arguing with you.

Just trying to make a point. I don't mean to offend. Mick is a great coach and we're lucky to have him. I just think his recruiting is slacking.

 

[JackBauer151]

Once again you say the last three classes have regressed yet the wins, tournament appearances, and national rankings have all gone up. Clown question bro....

 

[Bearcat04]

Just trying to make a point. I don't mean to offend. Mick is a great coach and we're lucky to have him. I just think his recruiting is slacking.

I'd say he has recruited well for a coach that only has 1 player in the NBA and no 1st round picks. It's really hard to get the top guys when you don't have a laundry list of NBA players. I think getting a guy like SK to the NBA will really help recruiting. Like many have said outside of the top 25-30 players it's a guessing game where guys should be ranked. There are a lot of good players that don't get the AAU exposure that are just as good as those ranked in the top 100.

I fully expect Mick to land a top player every now and then as we continue to win. There will be less red flags for the top recruits. Don't forget, this time two years Mick was perceived to be on the hot seat. That sure didn't help recruiting.

 

[Gotcha23]

Once again you say the last three classes have regressed yet the wins, tournament appearances, and national rankings have all gone up. Clown question bro....

Clown question? I'm not talking about wins. I'm talking about talent to compete with the BIG TIME programs. Mick is a great coach and can win in the regular season with anyone decent with experience IMO. Are you honestly telling me the talent Mick brought in the past few years can take us to the Final Four? Be realistic "bro"

 

[bearcat jeff]

Clown question? I'm not talking about wins. I'm talking about talent to compete with the BIG TIME programs. Mick is a great coach and can win in the regular season with anyone decent with experience IMO. Are you honestly telling me the talent Mick brought in the past few years can take us to the Final Four? Be realistic "bro"

He's moved up in he BEast every year. He played in the BEast championship last season. And yes this is a team that has final four potential.

 

[JackBauer151]

Clown question? I'm not talking about wins. I'm talking about talent to compete with the BIG TIME programs. Mick is a great coach and can win in the regular season with anyone decent with experience IMO. Are you honestly telling me the talent Mick brought in the past few years can take us to the Final Four? Be realistic "bro"

They beat Syracuse and Louisville last year. What "Big" time programs are you talking about? Also 100% yes I absolutely think this team can go to the final 4 and not just go but win.

 

[Gotcha23]

They beat Syracuse and Louisville last year. What "Big" time programs are you talking about? Also 100% yes I absolutely think this team can go to the final 4 and not just go but win.

That's all I wanted to know. You have a right to an opinion. I just don't see us there yet. We have a great squad but I still see a big time post player as the missing piece.

 

[Nomadic1]

No college basketball team is perfect. No college basketball program, goes without the occasional down years. We've had to rebuild.
I think over time, this team will make the tourny quite easily. Winning will continue to draw better recruits. We may not get whole rosters of blue chips but I think we'll be fine.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Wow...really, I guess this is what an off week does for the threads. Hey we gotta game tomorrow and the shootout in less than a week, can we deal with more pressing issues? The present and past recruiting classes are said and done and next year's is all but said and done. I think we've gotten the idea, Gotcha believes that Mick's classes have had a worst chance year by year of being a championship contender. Our best chance was the year with Lance as a freshman and Yancy a sophomore, because that's when we had our biggest recruits. This team might as well not lace them up and next year's team neither. Thank you Gotcha for running this thread and enlightening us.

 

[JumpinJack5]

interesting. what is that based on?

He has the build of Kelvin Gaines with 2x the brain capacity. Also, he was a 4 star recruit before he tore an ACL and went to prep school. This caused him to gain tons of weight that he has since lost. Just the other night, he dropped 41 points and 15 rebounds against the 5th best prep team in the nation, along with a few other similar performances. He is the perfect example of a guy who would've risen in the rankings had UC not snatched him up.

 

[Gotcha23]

Wow...really, I guess this is what an off week does for the threads. Hey we gotta game tomorrow and the shootout in less than a week, can we deal with more pressing issues? The present and past recruiting classes are said and done and next year's is all but said and done. I think we've gotten the idea, Gotcha believes that Mick's classes have had a worst chance year by year of being a championship contender. Our best chance was the year with Lance as a freshman and Yancy a sophomore, because that's when we had our biggest recruits. This team might as well not lace them up and next year's team neither. Thank you Gotcha for running this thread and enlightening us.

Yancy and Lance's senior years would be the correct assumption. Sure anytime..

 

[bearcat18]

Yea can we just cancel the rest of the games this year? We obviously aren't winning the championship so why waste our time?

 

[waterhead]

relax people...this is just a friendly debate about observations. Nobody is bashing the program or the coach or the players. Nobody is suggesting we scrap the season and the future because of recruiting rankings. GEESH!

I watch the recruiting boards and the excitement I see in most of the people on here when we are in on some high profile recruit(s). Then when we don't get them...and someone makes an critical observation like this...they are Mick bashers. Ridiculous!

When we want a recruit and we don't get them...we tend to rationalize that our coach had a different plan in mind. That's just hooey. The fact is we have a great coach, who is great at spotting not so obvious talent, but he hasn't been the greatest at landing the higher profile guys in competetive recruiting situations. Nobody is saying it's easy to recruit these guys either.

We can look at this two ways I guess...maybe even 4. Either you are a good recruiter because you can spot talent, or you are a good recruiter because you are a good salesman, or you are both or neither. I think Mick is definitely great at spotting talent and that is definitely better than having neither and probably equal to being a good salesman and NOT having a great instinct for talent. I guess some of us were just wishing he was both...but I will take one for sure.

And if I can take that one step further I think we have a great coach and a great ambassador for UC along with being a great eye for talent. I guess some of us are just greedy I guess...and maybe I can include myself there.

 

[bearcat jeff]

relax people...this is just a friendly debate about observations. Nobody is bashing the program or the coach or the players. Nobody is suggesting we scrap the season and the future because of recruiting rankings. GEESH!

I watch the recruiting boards and the excitement I see in most of the people on here when we are in on some high profile recruit(s). Then when we don't get them...and someone makes an critical observation like this...they are Mick bashers. Ridiculous!

When we want a recruit and we don't get them...we tend to rationalize that our coach had a different plan in mind. That's just hooey. The fact is we have a great coach, who is great at spotting not so obvious talent, but he hasn't been the greatest at landing the higher profile guys in competetive recruiting situations. Nobody is saying it's easy to recruit these guys either.

We can look at this two ways I guess...maybe even 4. Either you are a good recruiter because you can spot talent, or you are a good recruiter because you are a good salesman, or you are both or neither. I think Mick is definitely great at spotting talent and that is definitely better than having neither and probably equal to being a good salesman and NOT having a great instinct for talent. I guess some of us were just wishing he was both...but I will take one for sure.

And if I can take that one step further I think we have a great coach and a great ambassador for UC along with being a great eye for talent. I guess some of us are just greedy I guess...and maybe I can include myself there.

Heard Seth Greenburg and Andy Katz talking bout this. Greenburg said some coaches are good at recruiting talent and some are good talent evaluators. The latter is just as good because it keeps tough, mature, three and four year players in your program contiunally who know your system and how to win and in college basketball that's invaluable. I agree.

 

[BearcatMick]

I honestly don't think im wrong. I would admit to it. How has the recruiting not regressed? The last three classes have not been impressive. Mick's my guy i'm just stating the obvious.

Recruiting has not regressed. You are incorrect. Look at the results season to season

 

[Patrick Bateman]

If you honestly think recruiting is regressing, first off go to every home game with all of your friends and family. Secondly make sure you are at the wright state game.

Alex Kline ‏@TheRecruitScoop
Jermaine Lawrence has set his 2nd official visit - Cincinnati - for December 21st. The 2013 Pope John XXIII (NJ) SF recently visited UNLV.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Jermaine-Lawrence-120406

 

[mplebanon]

Let's all just end this thread with the realization I am right. You have to have big time recruits(Top 100) to win championships. Have a great weekend CATS fans..

Let's just end this thread with the realization that you're a dick who likes to stir up controversy.

I'll lump you in the same boat as bearcatmick and ralphy.

 

[waterhead]

Heard Seth Greenburg and Andy Katz talking bout this. Greenburg said some coaches are good at recruiting talent and some are good talent evaluators. The latter is just as good because it keeps tough, mature, three and four year players in your program contiunally who know your system and how to win and in college basketball that's invaluable. I agree.

So you have guys like Calipari, Lavin, Matta, etc...maybe these guys are good salesmen...or are willing to do things that other coaches are not. Then you have a guy like Mick who probably doesn't promise the world to these studs and plays the game above board...not that the others I have mentioned are sneaky.

I would rather have a guy like Mick who is a good coach in games and a good ambassador and can also spot diamonds in the rough...even if he's not willing to do questionable things to land bigger name recruits. I think Lavin is a good salesman but perhaps not as great coach in games.

Mick has proven his worth at finding 4 and sometimes 5 star level guys in the 3 star market. Now I would like to see him move up to spotting and landing 4 star guys who have 5 star talent (theoretical talent). Mick is also very good at finding guys who are willing to put in the hard work and probably passes on some higher level talent that he thinks may not listen as well. We will take coachable 3 star diamonds in the rough before primadonna 4 or 5 star guys who think their stuff don't stink. Then you throw in the idea that Mick recruits "system players" and then I guess I start to understand why he's not getting as many of the high 4 and 5 star guys. It's a much smaller market when you are looking for system guys who are big talent and are also coachable.

He's probably not interested in heavy lumbering centers who are slow but can score points down low because they don't exactly fit the system. The more atheletic centers who can score are what every team wants and that is a tough market to crack. Same can be said for all world point guards...that is a tough market. Let's give it some time and see if our success doesn't start paying off a little more in recruiting the bigger names. If I had my choice between landing a great center or a great PG I would take the PG every time.