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ralph1950 said:
Once again, a guy stating an opinion and ignoring fact.

Fact:

1) The President's of the ACC have publicaly stated no one is leaving
2) The ACC now has Notre Dame, I read yesterday that ND may up the football games to 6 a year vs the ACC, a home and home with Pitt as they have now plus 5 other games vs ACC
3) The ACC has a $52 million exit fee which takes away most of if not all of any financial gain a school may get by leaving
4) the AD's of both Ohio State and Michigan State have within the last 2 weeks stated that the Big 10 has no plan to expand in the immediate future
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90% grossly incorrect
 
Fact:

1) The President's of the ACC have publicaly stated no one is leaving - The Big East presidents said that too What the Big East President's said has nothing to do with the ACC Presidents

2) The ACC now has Notre Dame, I read yesterday that ND may up the football games to 6 a year vs the ACC, a home and home with Pitt as they have now plus 5 other games vs ACC - The lure of the SEC, BIG 10 or Big 12 trumps a game with Notre Dame ND trumps all, UC would kill to have ND on its football schedule

3) The ACC has a $52 million exit fee which takes away most of if not all of any financial gain a school may get by leaving - pending litigation and is far from overThe litigation only applies to Maryland, - UNC, UVa, GT, Duke, all voted for the $52 million exit fee, the litigation will take years as the ACC is not going to settle

4) the AD's of both Ohio State and Michigan State have within the last 2 weeks stated that the Big 10 has no plan to expand in the immediate future - See # 1
 
ralph1950 said:
Fact:

1) The President's of the ACC have publicaly stated no one is leaving - The Big East presidents said that too What the Big East President's said has nothing to do with the ACC Presidents

2) The ACC now has Notre Dame, I read yesterday that ND may up the football games to 6 a year vs the ACC, a home and home with Pitt as they have now plus 5 other games vs ACC - The lure of the SEC, BIG 10 or Big 12 trumps a game with Notre Dame ND trumps all, UC would kill to have ND on its football schedule

3) The ACC has a $52 million exit fee which takes away most of if not all of any financial gain a school may get by leaving - pending litigation and is far from overThe litigation only applies to Maryland, - UNC, UVa, GT, Duke, all voted for the $52 million exit fee, the litigation will take years as the ACC is not going to settle

4) the AD's of both Ohio State and Michigan State have within the last 2 weeks stated that the Big 10 has no plan to expand in the immediate future - See # 1
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Ralph remember when Missouri said "they were dedicated to the b12" just days before leaving? Texas am? Pitt? Syracuse? Trusting public comments from presidents and ads and commish's us ridiculous. They are worse than politicians

2) this isn't the 80's. sure conferences want nd but with the playoffs looming they aren't going to allow them to play Olympic sports without football

3) lawyers are already chipping away at the 52m. Brett mcmurphy already said b1g is paying subsidizing Marylands move and would do so with others

4) see 1

You are way out of your league here, The Wrong
 
One thing that looks nice to other conferences:

UC is one of just nine schools to win 10 football games this season while reaching the NCAA Tournament. Others are Louisville, Oregon, Kansas St, Boise St, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Florida, Oklahoma.

That's solid company.
 
#BearcatNation said:
One thing that looks nice to other conferences:

UC is one of just nine schools to win 10 football games this season while reaching the NCAA Tournament. Others are Louisville, Oregon, Kansas St, Boise St, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Florida, Oklahoma.

That's solid company.
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The problem is there are no openings in the Power 5 Conferences and Nippert after the remodel will have only about 37,000 capacity.
 
#BearcatNation said:
Cameron Indoor holds about 8,000. I'm sure Duke makes no money.
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What does that have to do with football?

Duke has been in the ACC since 1953.

One of the major reasons UofL got in the ACC instead of UC is that their football stadium capicity is being increased to 65,000. U of L Athletic budget is $85 million, UC's is $42 million.
 
ralph1950 said:
What does that have to do with football?

Duke has been in the ACC since 1953.

One of the major reasons UofL got in the ACC instead of UC is that their football stadium capicity is being increased to 65,000. U of L Athletic budget is $85 million, UC's is $42 million.
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Because you're implying that you can't have a lot of revenue with a small stadium capacity. A bigger stadium won't make much difference when we don't even sell it out very often. I agree that Nippert and Fifth Third do need their fair share of renovations, but the University can only fund these things if our fans become a little more dedicated and go to more games.
 
#BearcatNation said:
Because you're implying that you can't have a lot of revenue with a small stadium capacity. A bigger stadium won't make much difference when we don't even sell it out very often. I agree that Nippert and Fifth Third do need their fair share of renovations, but the University can only fund these things if our fans become a little more dedicated and go to more games.
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Therein lies the real issue. The University of Cincinnati does not have the support of it's fan base to allow it to compete with top tier programs. That is the sad truth. They can't sell out either sport consistently, attendance is low and the atmosphere isn't festive, except on rare ocassions. The athletic budget is relatively small as well. That is why UC is not taken while schools like WVU and Louisville are. UC is one of 10 schools to win its football bowl game and also qualify for the NCAA Championship field, joining Arizona, Boise State, Louisville, Michigan State, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Oregon and Syracuse. Performance isn't the issue.
 
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BearcatMick said:
For whatever reason, it comes back to this "Huggins love" mentality. There's a large chunk of fanbase who just cannot let it go.
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Never thought I'd say this, but I agree with you. So many fans were so distraught when he was let go that they pretty much decided that were done with UC basketball forever. It hurt us all, but god damn, move on!
 
Does anyone else find it comical/sickening how the Enquirer and Eggsavier is making a huge deal for them joing the new weaker BE basically at UC's expense. Maybe I am just bitter about the whole movement but I think its riduclous.
 
UCalum08 said:
Does anyone else find it comical/sickening how the Enquirer and Eggsavier is making a huge deal for them joing the new weaker BE basically at UC's expense. Maybe I am just bitter about the whole movement but I think its riduclous.
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Sensationalism = more readers = Money It's like the AM radio model. Say outrageous things enough to get people to call in

The Enquirer is dying with their new subscription model anyways.

I will say this. Xavier's beat writer Shannon Russell is very good. She's all over every piece of X news seemingly daily. I wish we had a writer like that covering us
 
It's a big deal for Xavier. Good for them. It's only the Big East in name though. Let's see how they actually do in this conference first. I don't see many league titles or high seeds in their future. I think they'll still be good, but they are a team that'll likely finish in the 3-5 range.

In terms of basketball we'll be just fine until the next round of realignment. CUSA was mainly a 3-4 bid league and it didn't hurt us in terms of seeding. We still have UL next year and the likes of UConn, Memphis, and Temple will make for a solid conference.

The news that the B12 needs to add two more teams to get their full share of the new playoff money is big.
 
Yes, we are all bitter. This is a big deal for Xavier as this league will be very solid. We think of it as being overblown because joining that league wouldn't be as big of a deal to us. It's like the University of Florida looking at Louisville and wondering why they are so excited to join the ACC. They are on completely different grounds conference-wise and therefore, have different immediate goals.

Xavier is excited to be with "former" Big East schools and to make $4 million a year or whatever it is, just as we were ecstatic almost a decade ago. We have been doing those things for 8ish years and now we want more.

Bottomline, yes, we are all annoyed by positive Xavier coverage which makes our conference limbo feel even worse. I hate Xavier, but this is very, very good for their program especially considering Mack has them on the verge of becoming irrelevant again. Becoming irrelevant in the Big East and you can survive (DePaul, Rutgers, St. John's, Seton Hall); become irrelevant in the A-10 and your program could be completely done.

But let's do a quick breakdown of this conference:
NCAA teams - Georgetown, Marquette, Butler, Creighton, Villanova
Non-NCAA teams - Providence, Xavier, Seton Hall, St. Johns, DePaul

An argument can be made that the A-10 was better this year than that conference. I think the difference is the bottomfeeders of the conferences are very different. The excitement the mid-majors get is from seeing the names they are joining, not necessarily the programs themselves.
 
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Next Year's Conference

I often forget that we still have Louisville and Rutgers in our conference through next season. With the release of the football schedule and the conclusion of the basketball regular season, it got me thinking what our conference is going to look like next year for both sports. Pardon the length of this post...


2012-2013 Football Conference (Final Number is Sagarin Ranking)

Louisville / 10-2 (5-2) / 27
Cincinnati / 9-3 (5-2) / 36
Syracuse / 7-5 (5-2) / 38
Rutgers / 9-3 (5-2) / 53
Pittsburgh / 6-6 (3-4) / 59
South Florida / 3-9 (1-6) / 86
Connecticut / 5-7 (2-5) / 89
Temple / 4-7 (2-5) / 100
AVERAGE RANKING = 61.0


2013-2014 Football Conference

Louisville / 10-2 (5-2) / 27
Cincinnati / 9-3 (5-2) / 36
Central Florida / 9-4 (7-1) / 45
Rutgers / 9-3 (5-2) / 53
Southern Methodist / 6-6 (5-3) / 57
South Florida / 3-9 (1-6) / 86
Connecticut / 5-7 (2-5) / 89
Temple / 4-7 (2-5) / 100
Houston / 5-7 (4-4) / 108
Memphis / 4-8 (4-4) / 123
AVERAGE RANKING = 72.4


2012-2013 Basketball Conference (Final Number is RPI)

Louisville / 26-5 (14-4) / 3
Georgetown / 24-5 (14-4) / 11
Marquette / 23-7 (14-4) / 12
Syracuse / 24-8 (11-7) / 14
Notre Dame / 24-8 (11-7) / 35
Pittsburgh / 24-7 (12-6) / 43
Connecticut / 20-10 (10-8) / 49
Cincinnati / 21-10 (9-9) / 50
Villanova / 19-12 (10-8) / 52
Providence / 17-13 (9-9) / 90
St. John's / 17-14 (8-10) / 94
Rutgers / 14-15 (5-13) / 110
South Florida / 11-18 (3-15) / 155
Seton Hall / 14-17 (3-15) / 138
DePaul / 11-20 (2-16) / 203
AVERAGE RANKING = 76.0


2013-2014 Basketball Conference

Louisville / 26-5 (14-4) / 3
Memphis / 27-4 (16-0) / 12
Temple / 23-8 (11-5) / 41
Connecticut / 20-10 (10-8) / 49
Cincinnati / 21-10 (9-9) / 50
Central Florida / 20-11 (9-7) / 102
Rutgers / 14-15 (5-13) / 110
South Florida / 11-18 (3-15) / 155
Houston / 18-11 (9-7) / 197
Southern Methodist / 15-16 (5-11) / 219
AVERAGE RANKING = 93.8


If you don't like computer rankings, sorry it is what it is. What these numbers indicate to me, yeah, there will be a drop off, but not a very big one. I think a lot of the talk about how horrible this conference will be is an overreaction for now. Obviously, this is a sinking ship for the schools that got left behind, but next year will still be very fun and seemingly very competitive. Now we definitely don't want to be around in a year when Louisville and Rutgers leave and I honestly don't believe we will be. The clock is ticking...
 
Here's a question: Bobinski was on 700 a bit ago and he said the days of Xavier being called a mid-major are over now that they are in the Big East. Hasn't the definition of mid-major always been non-BCS teams?

I don't think people will ever start calling teams like GTown and Marquette mid-major just because they don't play football. I think this all-basketball league is like an in between league and really creates a gray area between major and mid-major.

They're both just terms anyway so it doesn't really matter; that statement just really made me think about it.
 
Scheids21 said:
Yes, we are all bitter. This is a big deal for Xavier as this league will be very solid. We think of it as being overblown because joining that league wouldn't be as big of a deal to us. It's like the University of Florida looking at Louisville and wondering why they are so excited to join the ACC. They are on completely different grounds conference-wise and therefore, have different immediate goals.

Xavier is excited to be with "former" Big East schools and to make $4 million a year or whatever it is, just as we were ecstatic almost a decade ago. We have been doing those things for 8ish years and now we want more.

Bottomline, yes, we are all annoyed by positive Xavier coverage which makes our conference limbo feel even worse. I hate Xavier, but this is very, very good for their program especially considering Mack has them on the verge of becoming irrelevant again. Becoming irrelevant in the Big East and you can survive (DePaul, Rutgers, St. John's, Seton Hall); become irrelevant in the A-10 and your program could be completely done.

But let's do a quick breakdown of this conference:
NCAA teams - Georgetown, Marquette, Butler, Creighton, Villanova
Non-NCAA teams - Providence, Xavier, Seton Hall, St. Johns, DePaul

An argument can be made that the A-10 was better this year than that conference. I think the difference is the bottomfeeders of the conferences are very different. The excitement the mid-majors get is from seeing the names they are joining, not necessarily the programs themselves.
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Well said!!
 
Scheids21 said:
Here's a question: Bobinski was on 700 a bit ago and he said the days of Xavier being called a mid-major are over now that they are in the Big East. Hasn't the definition of mid-major always been non-BCS teams?

I don't think people will ever start calling teams like GTown and Marquette mid-major just because they don't play football. I think this all-basketball league is like an in between league and really creates a gray area between major and mid-major.

They're both just terms anyway so it doesn't really matter; that statement just really made me think about it.
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Do those labels even matter anymore? I think college basketball has moved way past that. With rating systems like Kenpom we can see how good teams are without the conference bias. I don't even think of Gonzaga in terms of mid-major. I see them as a really good program in a weaker conference.
 

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