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ralph1950 said:
The changes among the Power 5 Conferences are done in my opinion. If the Big 10, Big 12, SEC want to expand they are going to have to do it with schools such as UC, UConn, Houston, SMU, Boise, USF, etc., those not currently in a Power 5.
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If they want to expand? We know for a fact that the B12 has to expand to 12 if they want their majority percentage of the new playoff revenue.
 
Bearcat04 said:
If they want to expand? We know for a fact that the B12 has to expand to 12 if they want their majority percentage of the new playoff revenue.
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Not true, the Big 12's playoff money is set through the year 2025, Big 12 gets $40 million a year from Champions Bowl vs SEC. The playoff money is being split equally among the Power 5 Conferences. The number of members in your conference has no bearing in the Power 5.

The Sunbelt guy was discussing how the money is going to be split among the Gang of 5 Conferences.
 
heard some rumblings that Babcock has laid the ground work to convince the SEC to come into the Ohio market and the middle of Big 10 country. As awesome as it would be, we aren't exactly a cultural fit for that conference by any means. nonetheless, if true atleast Babcock is working all of the angles.
 
Could not care less about our cultural fit, to be honest. Show me the money! (though I don't think there is any chance in hell we got in the SEC and if we did, I would be the first to donate to build a Whit Babcock statue on campus)
 
bearcatfan1211 said:
heard some rumblings that Babcock has laid the ground work to convince the SEC to come into the Ohio market and the middle of Big 10 country. As awesome as it would be, we aren't exactly a cultural fit for that conference by any means. nonetheless, if true atleast Babcock is working all of the angles.
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Here's the thing, if we got into the SEC it would be nearly impossible (right now) to compete in football. Maybe, over time, with the fertile recruiting grounds of Ohio, the program could compete but it would never be a power in that conference. That's ok though and people would come watch teams like LSU and Alabama and Florida in Cincinnati for sure. In basketball, it would pretty much be UC, UK, and Florida at the top every year. It would be a good move for basketball for sure.

I think this is a pipe dream, however. If I'm UC I'm exploring every possible option right now but if I had to put my money on it, I would say ACC is the most likely landing spot.
 
JasonS said:
Here's the thing, if we got into the SEC it would be nearly impossible (right now) to compete in football. Maybe, over time, with the fertile recruiting grounds of Ohio, the program could compete but it would never be a power in that conference. That's ok though and people would come watch teams like LSU and Alabama and Florida in Cincinnati for sure. In basketball, it would pretty much be UC, UK, and Florida at the top every year. It would be a good move for basketball for sure.

I think this is a pipe dream, however. If I'm UC I'm exploring every possible option right now but if I had to put my money on it, I would say ACC is the most likely landing spot.
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Don't see any remotely realistic scenario where UC would get into the SEC. However, there has been some postulating that down the road when these (the B1G and SEC) potentially could go to 20 or more schools, Cincinnati could find its way into the SEC.
 
Scheids21 said:
Could not care less about our cultural fit, to be honest. Show me the money! (though I don't think there is any chance in hell we got in the SEC and if we did, I would be the first to donate to build a Whit Babcock statue on campus)
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BINGO. SEC would be a homerun financially. Sure we'd take our lumps in football but bball we would compete.

Still I think its a pipe dream
 
JasonS said:
Here's the thing, if we got into the SEC it would be nearly impossible (right now) to compete in football. Maybe, over time, with the fertile recruiting grounds of Ohio, the program could compete but it would never be a power in that conference. That's ok though and people would come watch teams like LSU and Alabama and Florida in Cincinnati for sure. In basketball, it would pretty much be UC, UK, and Florida at the top every year. It would be a good move for basketball for sure.

I think this is a pipe dream, however. If I'm UC I'm exploring every possible option right now but if I had to put my money on it, I would say ACC is the most likely landing spot.
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I agree with you. I think the SEC is not a reality at all. BUT(and this is me just dreaming), if UC joins the SEC, how many football recruits would we steal from OSU? It would be great to rub it in their faces.
 
JasonS said:
Here's the thing, if we got into the SEC it would be nearly impossible (right now) to compete in football. Maybe, over time, with the fertile recruiting grounds of Ohio, the program could compete but it would never be a power in that conference. That's ok though and people would come watch teams like LSU and Alabama and Florida in Cincinnati for sure. In basketball, it would pretty much be UC, UK, and Florida at the top every year. It would be a good move for basketball for sure.

I think this is a pipe dream, however. If I'm UC I'm exploring every possible option right now but if I had to put my money on it, I would say ACC is the most likely landing spot.
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It is a pipe dream, but I actually thought about this same scenario a while back. It actually could make since and I don't think it would be as rough as many think it would in football. More than likely if UC ever got in they are in the division with Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Missouri, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. UC could certainly compete with this division as most of the powerhouses are in the other division. Plus being in the SEC would put UC on an equal recruiting level with OSU as they would be in a percieved equal if not better conference. Also it would help open up the other SEC schools to Ohio States recruits more than Kentucky ever could. Geographicly it would be as easy if not easier traveling to road games to any of the schools mentioned above compared to most of the schools we've been playing in the Big East. We would be smaller than most of those schools and don't have the tradition that they have, but playing those teams in conference games would be a fast track to filling the stadium and building our own tradition. We can always dream.
 
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joshuag12000 said:
It is a pipe dream, but I actually thought about this same scenario a while back. It actually could make since and I don't think it would be as rough as many think it would in football. More than likely if UC ever got in they are in the division with Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Missouri, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. UC could certainly compete with this division as most of the powerhouses are in the other division. Plus being in the SEC would put UC on an equal recruiting level with OSU as they would be in a percieved equal if not better conference. Also it would help open up the other SEC schools to Ohio States recruits more than Kentucky ever could. Geographicly it would be as easy if not easier traveling to road games to any of the schools mentioned above compared to most of the schools we've been playing in the Big East. We would be smaller than most of those schools and don't have the tradition that they have, but playing those teams in conference games would be a fast track to filling the stadium and building our own tradition. We can always dream.
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U.C. Isnt small, just a small budget.
 
Bcatfollower said:
U.C. Isnt small, just a small budget.
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Just checked some of the schools I mentioned on wikipedia and you are right UC is not small in regards to enrollment compared to a lot of them and in fact has more students enrolled than both Kentucky and Tennessee. However I was thinking more in terms of fan support. Cincinnati has good support in the city of Cincinnati, but you don't see to many people sporting UC clothing outside of Cincinnati and even inside Cincinnati you still see a large number of OSU and Kentucky fans. Go just about anywhere in the state of Kentucky though or Tennessee and you will find a fan of those teams.
 
We are damaged by a mid-market city being cannibalized by Xavier fans within the city. Then outside the city, there are just so many good universities with a large following:

-OSU
-Lousville
-Indiana
-Kentucky
-Those catholics love ND
-And there's even Dayton, Miami, OU, etc.

Whit's right to focus his efforts on students and young alumnis so that support grows over time.
 
Even if we were to become the SEC bottom feeder in football, it would be a better fate than playing in this new conference. We would have the $$$ and the exposure and I bet a larger crowd would show up to watch UC lose to Alabama than to watch them take Tulane to the woodshed.

As others have alluded to, I don't think we would be bottom feeders for long. We'd be able to improve our facilities even more and recruit at a much higher clip (suddenly those GCL blue-chips would stay home along with other top recruits in-state).
 
Looks like the ACC is staying together. Big 10 must now look elsewhere if they want to expand. Anyone know how many years away UC is for AAU membership which is a Big 10 must.
 
Nice analysis sent in by a Dehner follower:

Assuming the AAC will be included in the "Group of 5" arrangement, taking the Big Easts spot, this is a great opportunity for UC. Competing for the top BCS ranking with the Sun Belt, MAC, Mountain West and C-USA seems like a very favorable position for the Cats. Once Louisville leaves for the ACC, UC is by far the class of the AAC.


So you're left with this competition (traditionally) for the top BCS ranking:


•Boise State (MW)

•Whichever team comes out of the MAC

•Likely one of the Florida schools from the C-USA

•Honestly, probably no real competition from the Sun Belt



I like those odds. It isn't at all ideal, but it certainly does not signal the end to UC's success in football. When you consider UC has probably the 3rd biggest coaching name in Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky, I think Tommy T makes up a bit for the lack-luster conference. If the renovations to Nippert are ushered along, the Cats keep winning and fan support remains, UC can dominate the AAC and find themselves with a good BCS ranking every year. Will they make a BCS Bowl every year? Probably not. But what team, besides Alabama, does?"
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
Nice analysis sent in by a Dehner follower:

Assuming the AAC will be included in the "Group of 5" arrangement, taking the Big Easts spot, this is a great opportunity for UC. Competing for the top BCS ranking with the Sun Belt, MAC, Mountain West and C-USA seems like a very favorable position for the Cats. Once Louisville leaves for the ACC, UC is by far the class of the AAC.


So you're left with this competition (traditionally) for the top BCS ranking:


•Boise State (MW)

•Whichever team comes out of the MAC

•Likely one of the Florida schools from the C-USA

•Honestly, probably no real competition from the Sun Belt



I like those odds. It isn't at all ideal, but it certainly does not signal the end to UC's success in football. When you consider UC has probably the 3rd biggest coaching name in Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky, I think Tommy T makes up a bit for the lack-luster conference. If the renovations to Nippert are ushered along, the Cats keep winning and fan support remains, UC can dominate the AAC and find themselves with a good BCS ranking every year. Will they make a BCS Bowl every year? Probably not. But what team, besides Alabama, does?"
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The problem with this scenario is that there is a glass ceiling for UC. When the Big East was still around and there was a BCS system, UC had a chance to play for a National Title. They were three seconds away, in fact. With this new system, there is no way UC makes it into the 4 team playoff. So, yes, UC can play in a BCS bowl from time to time but that is as far as it goes for this program. You can't tell recruits that you have a chance to play in the playoff. That cuts a lot of recruits out of your recruiting pool. If UC was in the ACC, Tubs could show recruits a realistic way to play for a National Championship. Look, any conference UC would go to right now would present challenges with winning so maybe, if UC finds it's way into a major conference in the next 4-5 years, being in the AAC isn't a bad thing. If UC can continue it's winning ways over the next 4-5 years, UC would have a decade of unbelievable success in football. Then, if UC is able to make a move to a better conference, they may be better equipped to compete immediately. I just don't like the idea of being happy with going to a BCS game every so often. I want a chance to play for a National Title. It may never happen even if UC is in an ACC or Big 12 but I KNOW it will never happen being in the American.
 

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