Red & Black Scrimmage

[Bearcat513]

Mick, historically, has always given the start to the veteran guy. I remember last year I was begging for Cobb to start games but no, KJ has been in the system and Mick started him.

I can not see Mick giving Jenifer the starts over Troy. I don't see why bringing Jenifer off the bench is such a big deal to people. He can come in, change the pace of the game for 7 minutes, make some impressive passes, give Troy a break, and then let Troy come back in and run the team. Or, Jenifer comes in, Troy moves to the 2 to give Cobb and break. That's really the only scenarios that I see Jenifer getting minutes this season. Freshman rarely play big minutes for Cronin ( except Clark last year, but who is going to argue against that?)

 

[coachpipe]

The entire team was defensive liabilities. Heard he had like 5 block in scrimmage though. I'm taking more out of us playing against each other than some cupcakes also so please don't say it was only scrimmage. Our 2nd unit should be better than any cupcakes

The team that lost no one and using statistical evidence is ranked the 14th best defensive team in the country ? okay then

 

[Bearcat Rob]

Troy will start at PG and cobb as SG all year

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Troy will start at PG and cobb as SG all year

I want this backcourt to be our version of Deron Williams and Dee Brown.

 

[#BearcatNation]

Hey bulldog, let me ask you this. If Caupain were a 5-star recruit back in 2013, and not a 3-star with only offers from Richmond and Va Tech, would you think differently of his two years so far in Cincy? Me thinks you would.

 

[Bulldog01]

The team that lost no one and using statistical evidence is ranked the 14th best defensive team in the country ? okay then

When you hold ball 34seconds on offense your always be one of best defensive teams in nation.

 

[Bulldog01]

Hey bulldog, let me ask you this. If Caupain were a 5-star recruit back in 2013, and not a 3-star with only offers from Richmond and Va Tech, would you think differently of his two years so far in Cincy? Me thinks you would.

I don't do rankings after seeing you play in games. I just think tc best chance of going pro and us going far he needs move to 2. Only one player avg 10 last year NOBODY over 4 asts. First true PG since cash I'm giving him keys.

 

[#BearcatNation]

When you hold ball 34seconds on offense your always be one of best defensive teams in nation.

Our defense was 14th in the nation last year at allowing 0.93 points per possession. That eliminates the pace of the game. Research, bud.

 

[Bulldog01]

I want this backcourt to be our version of Deron Williams and Dee Brown.

Dee Brown was speed and Williams was EXCEPTIONAL passer.

 

[Bulldog01]

Our defense was 14th in the nation last year at allowing 0.93 points per possession. That eliminates the pace of the game. Research, bud.

Great research. Then even more so why I take what jenifer did in scrimmage legit. We know where we stand defensively it's on offense where the problem is

 

[BearcatSpaniard513]

Jenifer was the number 1 ranked player in First Grade and should start at PG for the basketball team and he should start at running back for the football team...

 

[#BearcatNation]

Great research. Then even more so why I take what jenifer did in scrimmage legit. We know where we stand defensively it's on offense where the problem is

You don't think it'd drop off with a 5'9" freshman in there? Defense is supposedly one of his biggest weaknesses.

Like the others have said, I think Jenifer will have a stellar career at UC. But now is not the time to throw a bunch of minutes at him. Give him playing time in November when we're crushing teams to get his feet wet. I can't imagine he'll be leaping the vets once we're in conference play, though. If he takes off, sure, give him more minutes. I just think the likelyhood of that happening, along with his defense improving, isn't all going to happen in his first year.

 

[Bulldog01]

You don't think it'd drop off with a 5'9" freshman in there? Defense is supposedly one of his biggest weaknesses.

Like the others have said, I think Jenifer will have a stellar career at UC. But now is not the time to throw a bunch of minutes at him. Give him playing time in November when we're crushing teams to get his feet wet. I can't imagine he'll be leaping the vets once we're in conference play, though. If he takes off, sure, give him more minutes. I just think the likelyhood of that happening, along with his defense improving, isn't all going to happen in his first year.

5'9 that's play's bigger than all our guards combined.

 

[L-T]

This team should belong to whatever player gives us the best chance to be great. As one magazine said about us, "They have no stars." I somewhat agree with that statement. Nobody on this team has been good enough to suddenly have it declared as "his team". Until someone steps us and becomes that player, no matter if it is a freshman or a senior, you give him the keys. In my mind, it's open competition and may the best man win.

 

[justinhub2003]

This team should belong to whatever player gives us the best chance to be great. As one magazine said about us, "They have no stars." I somewhat agree with that statement. Nobody on this team has been good enough to suddenly have it declared as "his team". Until someone steps us and becomes that player, no matter if it is a freshman or a senior, you give him the keys. In my mind, it's open competition and may the best man win.[/QUOTE

And that's fine and dandy but right now the best most proven players are caupain, Shaq, Ellis, clark and Cobb.

I'm not saying they shouldn't lose there spot if they suck or to light a fire under them but rather it's there jobs until proven otherwise.

Just based on scrimmage minutes, it's seems Cronin was more pleased with tre Scott over Moore.

But if Jenifer or Evans is going to steal spots, they better prove it in multiple practices and multiple games. And that's what the first 5 games of the season are for. Figuring out who you are.

My prediction: this is caupain, Shaq and Ellis's team and they will start all season in there normal spots

 

[Nightingale]

Some shark jumping going on here.
I agree in premise, that Jenifer should get significant minutes. The offense needs his help, lord knows it's stagnant when either TC or Cobb runs it sometimes; but you have to use discretion. He's an untested true freshman. If he is tempered in some tougher situations during the course of the season, come March you may have the ability to play him more liberally.

It would be entirely foolish however, to hinge this team's success on him. They're too good this year, to possibly squander this run for the sake of playing one player more. Yes, the offense can bog down at times, if he can help unstick it, great. So play him when need be. That said, I don't want him to either fall apart and cost us a game trying to do too much or end up thinking he has free reign and sinking us on a stupid decision.

Let him learn the system and his minutes will increase, let him get used to playing against NCAA defenses and his minutes will increase. In the mean time, we have a team who had 7 new players last year; that just fought tooth and nail with two very good teams in March. They're no longer green and we brought everyone but Sanders back. This is their time. They're going to win a lot of games with or without Jenifer. I'm glad we have a true point again though, should make things interesting.

 

[waterhead]

Can anyone describe how Evans and Jenifer did on D? And Scott for that matter. Did Deberry seem to have better mobility or stamina? Will we get 15 or 20 minutes out of Deberry this year?

 

[justinhub2003]

5'9 that's play's bigger than all our guards combined.

Are you seriously making all these assumptions from a frickin scrimmage game? Come now. I mean, you truly won't get to see what Jenifer is made of until we start playing decent to good teams

 

[Bearcat513]

Can anyone describe how Evans and Jenifer did on D? And Scott for that matter. Did Deberry seem to have better mobility or stamina? Will we get 15 or 20 minutes out of Deberry this year?

I was not at the game but have heard/ read that Deberry looked slimmer ( obviously if he dropped 25 lbs or so) and seemed to be in better shape. My interpretation was that he was more mobile and was able to defense better. Pretty sure he had a couple of blocks so maybe he will be able to stay in games for longer spurts if need be.

 

[Bulldog01]

Are you seriously making all these assumptions from a frickin scrimmage game? Come now. I mean, you truly won't get to see what Jenifer is made of until we start playing decent to good teams

Nah I've seen him live in action and know little about him personally. He's far from soft trust me. He could get 5reb at his size a game