Rotation/Depth Chart

[bearcat jeff]

Granted X is not good at defense, but for a team that scored a whopping 13 points in the first half against a crappy team, starting two of UC's best scorers, not to mention their best player, on the bench is a recipe for disaster.

Cobb has started, what, one game? And in that game he came out on fire. Yet he continues to start on the bench in favor of someone who gives next to nothing on the court.

You all get hung up on who starts when minutes played are far more important. I wouldn't mind Cobb starting. I simply don't want to see Ellis get in early foul trouble. I want him available in the second half.

 

[TheLongHaul]

You all get hung up on who starts when minutes played are far more important. I wouldn't mind Cobb starting. I simply don't want to see Ellis get in early foul trouble. I want him available in the second half.

And you underrate the importance of a strong start. Who starts absolutely matters. Starting your best player on the bench is a terrible idea. Even if Ellis gets in foul trouble he'll still be available in the second half because he'll spend most of the first half on the bench. Don't over think it. Start your best players.

 

[bearcat jeff]

And you underrate the importance of a strong start. Who starts absolutely matters. Starting your best player on the bench is a terrible idea. Even if Ellis gets in foul trouble he'll still be available in the second half because he'll spend most of the first half on the bench. Don't over think it. Start your best players.

Yeah I suppose you're right about not overthinking it. The more I think about it the more I like Cobb starting.

 

[UCalum08]

Yeah I suppose you're right about not overthinking it. The more I think about it the more I like Cobb starting.

He looked good starting against ECU. Then Larry Davis benched him lol.

 

[Bulldog01]

I didn't say bring Ellis off the bench. It really shouldn't be an either/or with the two of them. I like DeBerry, but can't put him over Clark in the starting lineup/rotation. Besides the fact that Clark still produces more overall, despite his recent struggles, the loss of Strickland kind of makes it hard to start both Ellis and DeBerry rotation-wise, given that DeBerry probably can't go (at least effectively) a full half without a break, if for instance Ellis picks up a couple of early fouls. I wouldn't exactly be thrilled at playing Clark (or Moore, if/when he comes back) at the 5, even for limited minutes in that scenario.

Just because DeBerry starts doesn't mean Mormon or Sanders can't come in before first tv timeout. You want to set a tone and get players comfortable.

DeBerry
Ellis
Clark
Cobb
Caupain

This your 5 best players and only chance in hell we have of winning out is getting very creative and creating mis match problems. Clark and Ellis both can work from elbow. Fed the post and we win out.

 

[Bulldog01]

You all get hung up on who starts when minutes played are far more important. I wouldn't mind Cobb starting. I simply don't want to see Ellis get in early foul trouble. I want him available in the second half.

If Ellis starts at 5 against shitstain he could pick up two quick ones. If only for X you have to start DeBerry and Ellis. Time for DeBerry to be our go to guy in post with Clark and Ellis cleaning everything up.

 

[Bulldog01]

Don't over think it. Start your best players.

That's why I start DeBerry, Ellis and Clark together. we need all of them to play major minutes now and be effective to win. I'll rather take Clark at 3 over Sanders and Shaq. His IQ high enough to find other ways to score from wing besides standing around waiting to take shot with 2 seconds on clock.

 

[cincrulz11]

First talking about sitting Ellis is what the heck? You need Ellis in this game mentally, and randomly yanking him out of the starting lineup isn't the best way to go about getting him focused.


We need him to be locked in and play 30+ minutes. Why would you want to demote your best player in a huge game?

 

[TheLongHaul]

Yeah I suppose you're right about not overthinking it. The more I think about it the more I like Cobb starting.

Cobb needs to start and get most of the minutes. Even when he is off he is still better than KJ. KJ is still averaging more minutes (barely) which is ridiculous at this point in the season. Now, maybe if Cobb is off and when he is subbed by KJ and KJ makes a couple threes, then maybe you run with KJ. But that is unlikely.

Fun little stat: Sanders now has the lowest 3pt % on the team (26%). He is a career 32% 3pt shooter. Can we put away the myth that he is a good outside shooter? I heard an announcer during the SMU game call him a lethal outside shooter and I almost spit out my drink.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Cobb needs to start and get most of the minutes. Even when he is off he is still better than KJ. KJ is still averaging more minutes (barely) which is ridiculous at this point in the season. Now, maybe if Cobb is off and when he is subbed by KJ and KJ makes a couple threes, then maybe you run with KJ. But that is unlikely.

Fun little stat: Sanders now has the lowest 3pt % on the team (26%). He is a career 32% 3pt shooter. Can we put away the myth that he is a good outside shooter? I heard an announcer during the SMU game call him a lethal outside shooter and I almost spit out my drink.

Lol. That last line was great.

 

[rogerOH]

my starting 5 would be cobb at pg/ caupain at sg/ morman at the 3/ clark 4/ ellis 5. I think this gives us the best chance to put up pts. early but still play good defense.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Reality is this.

We didn't lose against ECU,Tulane or Temple because of who started the game. We are not doing playing well right now and I don't care what the rotation is. Guys are getting plenty of minutes to make a impact and no one has consistently demonstrated he is capable of getting the job done. All this talk about who starts and who comes off the bench is BS. Many things during the course of a game determine who is in the game. I could rewind these game threads and from game to game everyone has flip flopped at one time or another.

1. Cobb comes off the bench because he backs up Caupain and he is the only other legitimate back up PG we have. I would hate to see what our Turn over numbers would be if he or Caupain weren't on the floor. He gets lots of minutes. He is streaky and when he is on he can carry us a while. His D is average and on occassion he takes some ill timed shots.

2. KJ is a good defender, Loose with the ball and his shot is suspect. Giving some of his minutes to Morman and Cobb is not unreasonable.

3. Without Moore no way do we start Deberry,Ellis and Clark at the same time. I wouldn't do it with Moore. Deberry picks up at least 3 fouls in 10-15 minutes now. His stamia is not up to par either. Without Moore he is a sub for Ellis and Clark. Thomas can fill in at the 4 for very limited minutes. We are getting killed on the glass now. hate to see it with him getting major minutes at the 4.

4. Sanders is not a great shooter. He is a heady player with limited skills and starts because Thomas was a turn over machine who doesn't rebound.

5. If we make the NCAA it will be becasue we have gotten back to hitting the glass,taking better care of the ball, making a high percentage of our FT's again and playing solid defense again. It won't be because we have inserted Cobb or Deberry into the starting line up.

 

[Bulldog01]

Start tc, cobb, Clark, Ellis, DeBerry

before and after every TO get creative with line up. DeBerry don't have play big time minutes. His presence is needed more at the start of game than off bench. Cobb not starting is mind boggling it's a lot of ways you could go so Cobb or Caupain on floor at all times. I'll even don't mind Clark bringing ball up past half court. NONE of our guards good at setting team up in half court offense so that's not a problem.

 

[rogerOH]

caupain shoots 47% from the field and 40% from 3 point range - Cobb can create his own shot better . why not play them together but play cobb at the point and caupain at the 2 guard to get him more shots

 

[nkywestside]

caupain shoots 47% from the field and 40% from 3 point range - Cobb can create his own shot better . why not play them together but play cobb at the point and caupain at the 2 guard to get him more shots

This will probably happen a bit more next year. It has to be getting tiresome to keep playing KJ the amount of minutes he has at the 2 without any reasonable positive contribution. I guess the coaching staff has decided what they have decided and that's that. It's perplexing to not see Mormon get the chance just once at a 20+ minute game. His production is so daggone obvious. The end of the year is not time to experiment but with the way this team is going it's hard not to see Mormon on the floor.

 

[waterhead]

caupain shoots 47% from the field and 40% from 3 point range - Cobb can create his own shot better . why not play them together but play cobb at the point and caupain at the 2 guard to get him more shots

Caupain has been playing nearly 35 minutes in a lot of the big/close games. he takes a seat mid way through each half for about 2.5 minutes on average. Other than those 5 minutes (total) Cobb could theoretically play the rest of the game with Caupain. Now I realize Cobb won't play more than 30 minutes total...but that means they can play together for 25 minutes in theory. For most of the year Cobb has been sitting for the first 5 minutes of each half when TC is out there. Then he comes in and TC sits about mid way in each half 2.5 minutes. That is roughly 15 minutes of the 20 average minutes that Cobb is getting not playing along side TC.

That IMO is ridiculous! If we want to make a change and see what Cobb can do as a starter (more minutes) start them together and offset their bench time when they need a rest. Cobb can potentially play all of his minutes but 5 with TC out there with him. Because of our recent woes I would like to see what that could do for us.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I know it is easy to say it doesn't matter who starts, but I'm just so tired of slow starts setting us back. We have to play at a 75 point pace the last 25 minutes just to get in the 50s. How many times do I have to look at the scoreboard and see us with 7 points 9 minutes in, or 8 points 11 minutes in, etc? We all know by now who the best backcourt tandem is and we all know who is the best at scoring in the post. Put those guys on the floor early and have them try to get us going. It becomes such an uphill grind when we don't get the ball in the basket early. The staff can't just dismiss this problem. If nothing else, shaking things up can give us a mental boost. We've just become used to coming out so flat. Scoring 10+ by the first media timeout shouldn't be such a foreign concept, but unfortunately it is just something the current starters have come to accept.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I know it is easy to say it doesn't matter who starts, but I'm just so tired of slow starts setting us back. We have to play at a 75 point pace the last 25 minutes just to get in the 50s. How many times do I have to look at the scoreboard and see us with 7 points 9 minutes in, or 8 points 11 minutes in, etc? We all know by now who the best backcourt tandem is and we all know who is the best at scoring in the post. Put those guys on the floor early and have them try to get us going. It becomes such an uphill grind when we don't get the ball in the basket early. The staff can't just dismiss this problem. If nothing else, shaking things up can give us a mental boost. We've just become used to coming out so flat. Scoring 10+ by the first media timeout shouldn't be such a foreign concept, but unfortunately it is just something the current starters have come to accept.

slow starts are not why we lost to Tulane,ECU, or Temple.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

caupain shoots 47% from the field and 40% from 3 point range - Cobb can create his own shot better . why not play them together but play cobb at the point and caupain at the 2 guard to get him more shots

they do play together. The have to temper that because one of them has to be on the floor at all times.if one picks up 2 fouls in first half the other has to play the whole half.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

The only line up change I'd make is give Morman a bit more run at the 2 or 3.

If we out rebound X, make some FT's and limit our TO's we will win. If not they'll beat us in our house.