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Temple
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Low level of IQ started with the TO in final 3min.
It started long before that. I watched KJ jack up several highly contested shots which barely hit the rim. I watched open shooters for Temple all night. I watched low intensity. I watched not boxing out.
One turnover was not even close to the problem with low IQ.
I was thinking before the season started if not this year then when? Upperclassmen all over the floor. A talented frosh, elite defense. 3 intimidating skilled bigs down low. What the fuuuuuukk happened
Me too! There were SO many signs pointing in the right direction for a special season. I am still expecting a special season. If we don't get a special season...we have a problem IMO.
Edit. If we miss the dance without any significant unexpected player setbacks like injury or suspension I will have a major problem. If we just barely make the dance and can't advance to the second weekend I will have a major problem. I was expecting a top 15 regular season ranking or a sweet 16 appearance (with a clear ability to compete for more). With that being said we have played toe to toe with a chance to win against top 10 teams so I feel the potential is still there but it needs to be cultivated by the coach.
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Well at least you didn't resort to hyperbole. I have been on this board a long time and have heard from BOTH a lot of supporters and detractors. Even a lot of people on the fence who see both sides. If I said every time we lose everyone always calls for Micks head...it would be a complete exaggeration just like what you seem to be suggesting above.
Personally I have made this my rubber meets the road year but I'm going to wait till season's end. I will give the coach and players the chance to suck it up and finish strong and then make a determination as to which direction the program needs to go.
Well obviously, that is what we all will have to do. But, your final 4 expectation isn't going to happen. That is becoming painfully obvious. But, I can hear it now. We'll somehow find a way into the Sweet 16, and everyone will toss out the accolades about Mick's mid-season adjustments and working miracles to turn the team around and forget about all the home defeats and what the pre-season expectations actually were, and it will all get spun as a huge success. We're still a top 30 team (I assume), so things could be worse. I'll be glad to eat everything I've said above, but I don't expect to have to.
I feel like Ellis is the main reason we are losing these games . He has not only not gotten better offensively but he is nowhere near the defensive player of last year. Also this team does not have a true leader.
Bingo! I posted this yesterday. You can throw in Clark and to a lesser extent Deberry. The inside game is horrible, but the defense and blocked shots, which we thought would be a constant on the inside, is nowhere to be found.
Ellis had more goaltending calls last year than blocked shots this year
I'm not sure I understand what you are going for here?
I'm not sure I understand what you are going for here?
I think he is trying to say that he isn't blocking, or altering, as many shots this year.
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It's not something tangible man. Hard to answer a question of mental fortitude.
There is plenty tangibly wrong with UC right now. I don't buy that glue guy stuff, or as Mick keeps saying, "they are too nice". That's bs. I've played with plenty of really nice guys that would kick your ass on the court or on the field. SK (didn't play with him) was one example. Nice has nothing to do with it.
I'm not sure I understand what you are going for here?
Point was when he was obviously goaltending he was at least trying. He's been nonexistent this year
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Waterhead, give us the blocks per 40 minutes stats....lol. I already checked it. All 3 guys have gotten worse, and that was before today's zero blocks for all 3 guys.
Ellis should have been in contention for DPOY and somehow he has been a complete liability. That play today where the Temple player just casually dribbled by him for a layup was a joke. Ellis didn't even try to stop it. I've said all along that he can't be counted upon. He is like Burfict. He'll put you on his shoulders one day and completely leave you out to dry the next.
I think he is trying to say that he isn't blocking, or altering, as many shots this year.
That's what I was thinking but we had a lot of people saying he needed to stop goal tending last year so I wasn't sure if he was being too aggressive last year or not enough aggression this year.
Ellis should have been in contention for DPOY and somehow he has been a complete liability. That play today where the Temple player just casually dribbled by him for a layup was a joke. Ellis didn't even try to stop it. I've said all along that he can't be counted upon. He is like Burfict. He'll put you on his shoulders one day and completely leave you out to dry the next.
I think Evans was pulled on that play (not sure why). Ellis had 12 points and 7 boards today. Next closest in boards was Evans with 5....Clark had 4 and Caupain 3. Not good. He was on the speaker podium in the presser after the game which means coach thought he did something right or at least more than everyone else not named Caupain.
I have been fairly dissappointed in Ellis this year not being significantly better but I can't put it on him in this game.
Let's see what happens. If things go as you say, there will be plenty of time to rant and rave...and I'll probably join you. We are averaging almost 78 ppg this year, so I don't know how you can predict the "same old". We'll see what happens, but for once it feels good to have talent and need defense instead of having defense and needing talent. That's why I put a game like this more on the players than coach.
Could not have said this any better. So I'll re-state it in a different way:
I've seen this at the NBA level (from an insider's perspective) and I've seen it at the college level: I'd rather have a team that can score than a team that plays D in the regular season (both would be nice though!), because in the NCAA tournament everyone will play hard and play tougher D. You have to have guys that can score in the dance. That's not to say I think UC has enough shooters/scorers, or that a team suddenly becomes a defensive juggernaut in the tourney...but for years, we saw Bearcat teams overachieve by out-working and out-toughing teams in the regular season, only to lose in the NCAA tournament because they didn't have enough scoring talent or their margin for error talent wise was too thin. Iowa State, West Virginia, UCLA (they of the 3 NBA players), etc.
This team has enough talent. What they don't have is a burning desire to be great. There is still time to get this team back on track defensively. They can still have a very special season. A lot of teams look like road kill in December and January become great. It's up to them.
All that said: today was unacceptable and embarrassing. No sense in point-by-point bitching because we'd be here all night. They were thoroughly out-played, out-coached, out-efforted. Temple deserved to win.
Spitballing from a layman's perspective? I'd like to see more man to man defense. SOOOOO sick of watching a lazy zone double team beaten easily for a parking-lot-open 3 pointer or a ridiculously easy entry pass lead to a layup. Man to man might actually wake these guys up and speed up tempo. Just a thought.
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Ellis should have been in contention for DPOY and somehow he has been a complete liability. That play today where the Temple player just casually dribbled by him for a layup was a joke. Ellis didn't even try to stop it. I've said all along that he can't be counted upon. He is like Burfict. He'll put you on his shoulders one day and completely leave you out to dry the next.
Makes you wonder why we recruited him (twice). Funny thing is he developed into a pretty good player at the JUCO level and once we got him back into our system he's regressing. I wonder if he would have ever developed into as good of a player as he is now had he spent his entire 4 years with this staff.
Ellis should have been in contention for DPOY and somehow he has been a complete liability. That play today where the Temple player just casually dribbled by him for a layup was a joke. Ellis didn't even try to stop it. I've said all along that he can't be counted upon. He is like Burfict. He'll put you on his shoulders one day and completely leave you out to dry the next.
I know the play you are talking about. Actually, I think he did that multiple times today.
I say start Tobler on Saturday, and I'm being serious. Fire the students and the crowd up and send a message to the players. Lol, don't stay with him long (unless it's working). Just tell him to bang and bust his ass.
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