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WAITE HOYT 2 said:
Guys if TC was the player we all want him to be right now he would probably be playing in the league right now. I'm not into next year mode yet. We are trending up right now. The NCAA is wide open. TC needs to focus on his strengths and involve everyone around him. We all know and have commented that this team can be led by a different guy every night. TC is one of 5 guys. If we ain't hitting on all cylinders we will not be advancing in either tournament.
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Definitely agree.
 
L-T said:
Lol! What was I wrong about? I asked you the question. You were the one critiquing his form and saying he would figure it out. All I did was ask you when he was going to figure it out because he's almost to his senior year.. I didn't say anything to be wrong about.
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Holy ego dude, your wrong just deal with it, it happens to even the best of us
 
mdchick said:
Holy ego dude, your wrong just deal with it, it happens to even the best of us
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Listen. If the question was too difficult for you to understand, all you had to do is say that and I would have asked it in a different way. No need to go off on the "You're wrong" tangent. Try to continue with your stance or don't make it in the first place if you can't respond to a question about it.
 
L-T said:
He's almost to his senior season. When will he figure it out? Honestly, I'd like to recruit a few players who actually have it figured out before they get here. Because after they get here, most don't seem to ever figure it out....which is why we continually struggle to get out of the 50s.
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This is what you said. Then I said caupain led the conference in 3 point % last year. So your statement is incorrect which means it's wrong.
 
mdchick said:
This is what you said. Then I said caupain led the conference in 3 point % last year. So your statement is incorrect which means it's wrong.
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Caupain is shooting about 30% this year on 175 2 and 3 PT jumpers. I don't know of any player in the country shooting 37% overall and playing over 30 minutes per game. Or shooting 37% overall and leading a team in FG attempts. Caupain shoots 37% and the rest of the team combines for 46%. Yes he did lead the AAC in 3PT% last year. But not only is this year's number more recent, but it offers a bigger sample size. He didn't even average to make 1 3 per game last year. Hardly unreasonable imo to ask some questions about his shooting at this point.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
Caupain is shooting about 30% this year on 175 2 and 3 PT jumpers. I don't know of any player in the country shooting 37% overall and playing over 30 minutes per game. Or shooting 37% overall and leading a team in FG attempts. Caupain shoots 37% and the rest of the team combines for 46%. Yes he did lead the AAC in 3PT% last year. But not only is this year's number more recent, but it offers a bigger sample size. He didn't even average to make 1 3 per game last year. Hardly unreasonable imo to ask some questions about his shooting at this point.
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Close to SKs numbers as a junior...
 
Chad Brendel said:
Close to SKs numbers as a junior...
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His FG is 6% lower finishing at the rim, 7% lower on two point jumpers and his eFG% is nearly 4% lower total. Also Kilpatrick played with ZERO inside scoring presence that season, whereas Caupain plays with Gary Clark and Octavius Ellis. Caupain is a nice college point guard, but hasn't shown to be anything better than an honorable mention all-conference player. It really isn't comparable...
 
jacobkdoyle said:
What's your point? This season proves he's on track to becoming an All-American?
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SK took time to adjust to being the go to guy in a similar fashion that we're seeing from Troy as a junior. That team lost 9 of their final 16 after Cash got hurt against DePaul and SK had to carry the load. He wasn't instantly ready for the job either...
 
Chad Brendel said:
Didn't say they were the same. Said they were close. Thanks for proving my point...
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Hey genius. Those numbers are not close...4%,6% and 7% is a huge difference considering they both are high volume shooters. Again, numbers are clearly not your expertise. Stick to recruiting nuggets...
 
Chad Brendel said:
SK took time to adjust to being the go to guy in a similar fashion that we're seeing from Troy as a junior. That team lost 9 of their final 16 after Cash got hurt against DePaul and SK had to carry the load. He wasn't instantly ready for the job either...
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Why does he have to carry the load? That's what I don't get. If you compare all shooting/scoring stats in totals, per game, per 40 minutes, and advanced, SK wins every single one from their JR years except Caupain is currently 0.3% high in 3 pt %. The numbers are very unkind to Caupain. And they will continue to be as long as he takes so many 2 pt jump shots. We have an offense that is supposed to thrive on efficiency, but the guy taking the most shots is extremely inefficient. If he is going to lead the team in FG attempts, he needs to take smarter shots. He isn't going to defy statistics and make the long 2 a good shot. Or if he wants to be a % leader in the conference, he needs to be as selective as last year.
Caupain isn't as natural of a scorer as a guy like SK. I can't stand the idea of rigging our approach to make Caupain the star. He is much better imo as a floor general and facilitator. With Shaq out, I believe we will be at our best when everyone in the starting lineup BUT Caupain scores in double figures.
I really do think Caupain needs to tweak his shot in the offseason. He basically has 2 different shots right now. And his form depends on where he is on the floor. He almost double clutches a lot on 2 pt jumpers vs his more of a set shot on 3s. I just don't see how that can work. True scorers like SK, Cobb, and hopefully Evans have much more repeatable looking shots. I feel like with increased volume, Caupain is stuck in the middle a little on how he needs to be as an offensive player. For the rest of the year, I think it'd be smarter to continue a quicker pace which hopefully gives more opportunities to Clark, Cobb, and Evans.
 
Again. Never said his numbers were better than SK. Spin it any way you want, the numbers are similar when comparing the two as they adjusted to being the best offensive weapon on the floor. All of the metrics say SK had a poor shooting season as a junior and that is fact...
 
Chad Brendel said:
Again. Never said his numbers were better than SK. Spin it any way you want, the numbers are similar when comparing the two as they adjusted to being the best offensive weapon on the floor. All of the metrics say SK had a poor shooting season as a junior and that is fact...
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All the numbers still pointed to SK being the best offensive weapon on the team. They do not point to Caupain being the best offensive weapon on the team. Nothing there to spin.
 
Chad Brendel said:
Again. Never said his numbers were better than SK. Spin it any way you want, the numbers are similar when comparing the two as they adjusted to being the best offensive weapon on the floor. All of the metrics say SK had a poor shooting season as a junior and that is fact...
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Gary Clark is the best offensive weapon on the floor. Obviously Caupain is important because he'll have the ball in his hands a lot but in order to become the best team they can be Clark needs about 3-4 more shots per game.

When Clark gets at least 7 shot attempts, he averages 14 points per game, 7 rebounds and is shooting 67% from the field.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
All the numbers still pointed to SK being the best offensive weapon on the team. They do not point to Caupain being the best offensive weapon on the team. Nothing there to spin.
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If they other guys wanted the ball late clock I'd agree. Unfortunately they continue to defer to Troy in those situations. Evans has been the only one willing to attack and that has been sporadic. Cobb struggles to create off the bounce and Gary up until the past 3 games has taken too long to get the ball on the rim. I'd love to see more of Gary attacking off the bounce from 17-20 feet like we saw vs Memphis and UConn. Hopefully his confidence in that ability is growing...
 
Bearcat_NTS said:
Gary Clark is the best offensive weapon on the floor. Obviously Caupain is important because he'll have the ball in his hands a lot but in order to become the best team they can be Clark needs about 3-4 more shots per game.

When Clark gets at least 7 shot attempts, he averages 14 points per game, 7 rebounds and is shooting 67% from the field.
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If he continues to expand his attack, those extra shots will be there. He was too timid facing the rim until recently. He does need more looks, just can't all be back to the basket catches at 10 feet. Teams load the box and make it a tough look when he is too predictable...
 
Chad Brendel said:
If they other guys wanted the ball late clock I'd agree. Unfortunately they continue to defer to Troy in those situations. Evans has been the only one willing to attack and that has been sporadic. Cobb struggles to create off the bounce and Gary up until the past 3 games has taken too long to get the ball on the rim. I'd love to see more of Gary attacking off the bounce from 17-20 feet like we saw vs Memphis and UConn. Hopefully his confidence in that ability is growing...
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I agree with what you're saying overall. The bold part however, I think is self-inflicted at times. Seems lately like that has been addressed though.
 
Chad Brendel said:
If he continues to expand his attack, those extra shots will be there. He was too timid facing the rim until recently. He does need more looks, just can't all be back to the basket catches at 10 feet. Teams load the box and make it a tough look when he is too predictable...
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Agreed. I'd like to cut down the number of post feeds to Ellis and give those opportunities to Clark he is much better scorer and playmaker from that spot. Ellis would be better served playing off of others and getting offensive rebounds to get his points. If I were to divide the post feeds, I would like to 60% Clark, 25% DeBerry, 15% Ellis.
 

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