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[UCalum08]

Justin, are you planning on uploading the game to watch?

 

[TheLongHaul]

He keeps talking about how sick Justin has been - have a sinking feeling if he's better we'll see Cane back on the bench for half the game (i don't wish Justin ill, just wish Cronin some sanity)

I did think that was funny today. He's said JJ has been on bed rest. Really? I mean c'mon. What is he 7 months and pregnant with preeclampsia? But then he said it would just be easier to have him start. He seriously said that.

 

[justinhub2003]

Justin, are you planning on uploading the game to watch?

I can. Im downloading from Synergy now

 

[Jon Rycek]

I said the media makes things up? This is what your saying?

I'm saying the media has not been talking bad about our offense this year, what you also said.

 

[Hogsack]

Lived in plenty of places, Cincinnati has terrible sports fans. That's a fact.

Jon....your Scientology way of thinking kills me sometimes. God forbid anyone says anything that has a remote undertone of negativity to it. You've now managed to label the entire fanhood of Cincinnati as "suppressive people". Sell me a pair of those rose colored glasses you live in. It must be blissful.

 

[Jon Rycek]

Whats the real problem? you obviously think you are some how a "better fan" than everyone in here. (whatever that means). What's your point with all this?

I don't think I'm a better "fan" than anyone lol. But I do very much disagree with a lot of negativity the last week or so. I think people are in panic mode because we lost a couple games (after winning 16 in a row). I just think it's unjustified. Other than the Cane Broome stuff, he certainly needs to be playing more minutes.

 

[UCalum08]

I can. Im downloading from Synergy now

Thanks man!

 

[justinhub2003]

The media here is to scared to do so. They don’t want to lose access to the team.

No.

The media should be scared to tell a coach how to do his job who is 55-10 in the last 2 years, on a team full of players who were under recruited and has Zero 5 star players who is a top 15 team despite being in this shit hole league and who is going to help Jacob Evans, a kid no one had on their radar, make a lot of money and did it all with out cheating.

UC fans are so spoiled with winning, they all forgot (myself included) what it felt like to lose at home and yet the response is not to thank him for giving us 39 games at home without a loss, but rather to tell him how to do his job. A job that no one on this board, no one in the media and very few around the country understand its complexities.

Mick doesn't hate Cane. if he did he wouldn't be on the team. He's never had a problem kicking a kid to the curb no matter how talented, clearly thats not the case. There is no vendetta against him. Mick knows who's number to call when he needs a bucket.

I can tell you this; Cane Broome will be a better all around player because of Mick Cronin. Cane was an "average" defender in a dreadful league just 2 years ago. All the sudden, a year under Mick and Cane Broome is listed as a "excellent" synergy defender. Better than 89% of the players in CBB at defense. Or the fact, that while Cane's TO% is actually higher, my guess is that Cane will be much better at protecting the ball where ever he goes to play after his college career.

Cane's story at Cincinnati is far from over and Mick has always been the hardest on the kids he thought had the most talent. I think the game comes a little too easy to Cane and it makes him work a little less harder because he feels he doesn't need to, thats just a guess. I have no idea. but I do know no one is out to get Cane and no one is trying to lose basketball games.

And when it comes to strategy, I'll always side with the guy who has 55 wins in the last 2 seasons over any dude on a message board

 

[cincyguy13]

I don't think I'm a better "fan" than anyone lol. But I do very much disagree with a lot of negativity the last week or so. I think people are in panic mode because we lost a couple games (after winning 16 in a row). I just think it's unjustified. Other than the Cane Broome stuff, he certainly needs to be playing more minutes.

You are probably right to some extent. Fans overract when teams are winning and losing. I don’t think getting on here and telling people how they should feel helps anything but if you want to continue it, have at it. Some of the concerns people have are legitimate. We don’t look good against better teams. If you aren’t at all concerned that’s, fine but don’t act like people have no right to be concerned.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

No.

The media should be scared to tell a coach how to do his job who is 55-10 in the last 2 years, on a team full of players who were under recruited and has Zero 5 star players who is a top 15 team despite being in this shit hole league and who is going to help Jacob Evans, a kid no one had on their radar, make a lot of money and did it all with out cheating.

UC fans are so spoiled with winning, they all forgot (myself included) what it felt like to lose at home and yet the response is not to thank him for giving us 39 games at home without a loss, but rather to tell him how to do his job. A job that no one on this board, no one in the media and very few around the country understand its complexities.

Mick doesn't hate Cane. if he did he wouldn't be on the team. He's never had a problem kicking a kid to the curb no matter how talented, clearly thats not the case. There is no vendetta against him. Mick knows who's number to call when he needs a bucket.

I can tell you this; Cane Broome will be a better all around player because of Mick Cronin. Cane was an "average" defender in a dreadful league just 2 years ago. All the sudden, a year under Mick and Cane Broome is listed as a "excellent" synergy defender. Better than 89% of the players in CBB at defense. Or the fact, that while Cane's TO% is actually higher, my guess is that Cane will be much better at protecting the ball where ever he goes to play after his college career.

Cane's story at Cincinnati is far from over and Mick has always been the hardest on the kids he thought had the most talent. I think the game comes a little too easy to Cane and it makes him work a little less harder because he feels he doesn't need to, thats just a guess. I have no idea. but I do know no one is out to get Cane and no one is trying to lose basketball games.

And when it comes to strategy, I'll always side with the guy who has 55 wins in the last 2 seasons over any dude on a message board

Yeah pretty much.

I'll fully admit I'm not above going into freak out mode, especially late in the season. And I'll own the dumb shit I say sometimes.

But make no mistake, I hope Coach Cronin is here for the rest of his coaching career. Like 30-40 years type stuff when it's all said and done. I truly believe that would be the best thing for UC.

 

[cincyguy13]

No.

The media should be scared to tell a coach how to do his job who is 55-10 in the last 2 years, on a team full of players who were under recruited and has Zero 5 star players who is a top 15 team despite being in this shit hole league and who is going to help Jacob Evans, a kid no one had on their radar, make a lot of money and did it all with out cheating.

UC fans are so spoiled with winning, they all forgot (myself included) what it felt like to lose at home and yet the response is not to thank him for giving us 39 games at home without a loss, but rather to tell him how to do his job. A job that no one on this board, no one in the media and very few around the country understand its complexities.

Mick doesn't hate Cane. if he did he wouldn't be on the team. He's never had a problem kicking a kid to the curb no matter how talented, clearly thats not the case. There is no vendetta against him. Mick knows who's number to call when he needs a bucket.

I can tell you this; Cane Broome will be a better all around player because of Mick Cronin. Cane was an "average" defender in a dreadful league just 2 years ago. All the sudden, a year under Mick and Cane Broome is listed as a "excellent" synergy defender. Better than 89% of the players in CBB at defense. Or the fact, that while Cane's TO% is actually higher, my guess is that Cane will be much better at protecting the ball where ever he goes to play after his college career.

Cane's story at Cincinnati is far from over and Mick has always been the hardest on the kids he thought had the most talent. I think the game comes a little too easy to Cane and it makes him work a little less harder because he feels he doesn't need to, thats just a guess. I have no idea. but I do know no one is out to get Cane and no one is trying to lose basketball games.

And when it comes to strategy, I'll always side with the guy who has 55 wins in the last 2 seasons over any dude on a message board

No one said mick hates cane. They question his philosophy of coaching. The one that plays cane 6 minutes in one of the biggest games of the tear. The one that goes on an on about defense when a team scores in the 50s or 60s. The one where the offense looks sluggish year after year when you need offense to win at an elite level. People want to win more than regular season games. I don’t know why that is frowned upon here. It doesn’t seem like it’s that crazy of a concept

 

[Nayers]

No.

The media should be scared to tell a coach how to do his job who is 55-10 in the last 2 years, on a team full of players who were under recruited and has Zero 5 star players who is a top 15 team despite being in this shit hole league and who is going to help Jacob Evans, a kid no one had on their radar, make a lot of money and did it all with out cheating.

UC fans are so spoiled with winning, they all forgot (myself included) what it felt like to lose at home and yet the response is not to thank him for giving us 39 games at home without a loss, but rather to tell him how to do his job. A job that no one on this board, no one in the media and very few around the country understand its complexities.

Mick doesn't hate Cane. if he did he wouldn't be on the team. He's never had a problem kicking a kid to the curb no matter how talented, clearly thats not the case. There is no vendetta against him. Mick knows who's number to call when he needs a bucket.

I can tell you this; Cane Broome will be a better all around player because of Mick Cronin. Cane was an "average" defender in a dreadful league just 2 years ago. All the sudden, a year under Mick and Cane Broome is listed as a "excellent" synergy defender. Better than 89% of the players in CBB at defense. Or the fact, that while Cane's TO% is actually higher, my guess is that Cane will be much better at protecting the ball where ever he goes to play after his college career.

Cane's story at Cincinnati is far from over and Mick has always been the hardest on the kids he thought had the most talent. I think the game comes a little too easy to Cane and it makes him work a little less harder because he feels he doesn't need to, thats just a guess. I have no idea. but I do know no one is out to get Cane and no one is trying to lose basketball games.

And when it comes to strategy, I'll always side with the guy who has 55 wins in the last 2 seasons over any dude on a message board

so if cane is an elite defender, why has Cronin benched him so much ?

I too hope Cronin is here for the rest of his career, doesn't mean I want him to become set in his ways this early in his career.

 

[ervins84]

No.

The media should be scared to tell a coach how to do his job who is 55-10 in the last 2 years, on a team full of players who were under recruited and has Zero 5 star players who is a top 15 team despite being in this shit hole league and who is going to help Jacob Evans, a kid no one had on their radar, make a lot of money and did it all with out cheating.

UC fans are so spoiled with winning, they all forgot (myself included) what it felt like to lose at home and yet the response is not to thank him for giving us 39 games at home without a loss, but rather to tell him how to do his job. A job that no one on this board, no one in the media and very few around the country understand its complexities.

Mick doesn't hate Cane. if he did he wouldn't be on the team. He's never had a problem kicking a kid to the curb no matter how talented, clearly thats not the case. There is no vendetta against him. Mick knows who's number to call when he needs a bucket.

I can tell you this; Cane Broome will be a better all around player because of Mick Cronin. Cane was an "average" defender in a dreadful league just 2 years ago. All the sudden, a year under Mick and Cane Broome is listed as a "excellent" synergy defender. Better than 89% of the players in CBB at defense. Or the fact, that while Cane's TO% is actually higher, my guess is that Cane will be much better at protecting the ball where ever he goes to play after his college career.

Cane's story at Cincinnati is far from over and Mick has always been the hardest on the kids he thought had the most talent. I think the game comes a little too easy to Cane and it makes him work a little less harder because he feels he doesn't need to, thats just a guess. I have no idea. but I do know no one is out to get Cane and no one is trying to lose basketball games.

And when it comes to strategy, I'll always side with the guy who has 55 wins in the last 2 seasons over any dude on a message board

No media member would be telling him how to do his job. It's a simple direct question. But you're right about one thing. He would get pissy. He would get condescending and dismissive. In fact, just look at today's press conference about a pretty benign question and he just goes off on the guy. That's why no one asks the question.

And oh great. We're back to the defer to coach knows best so why even bother talking.

Also you citing synergy having Cane as a high level defender literally makes him not playing Cane more even dumber.

This isn't the first time this has happened either. Do you remember guyn getting significant minutes over Caupain before he got hurt? What about KJ playing over Cumberland? This isn't new.

And if we're going to defer to a coach, as if he's some infallible guy, take a minute and go listen to the top NBA guys after games. Listen to how often Kerr puts blame on himself, or Pop openly talking about how much he messed up with trying to change Aldridge, or Stevens talking about how he should've done X,Y, or Z.

Then listen to Mick's post-game interviews. There's the difference. I'm not sure I've ever heard him say he was at fault for something.

 

[cincyguy13]

Why can we not get frustrated losing at Houston or at home against WIchita, when we had a 2 seed locked up? We are at least a better team than Houston and should win at home against Wichita, correct? Yeah, you can’t win every game, I get it but these were 2 very winnable games that could have set us up nice. I don’t understand why it is frowned upon to be angry with these games.

 

[justinhub2003]

No one said mick hates cane. They question his philosophy of coaching. The one that plays cane 6 minutes in one of the biggest games of the tear. The one that goes on an on about defense when a team scores in the 50s or 60s. The one where the offense looks sluggish year after year when you need offense to win at an elite level. People want to win more than regular season games. I don’t know why that is frowned upon here. It doesn’t seem like it’s that crazy of a concept

Hold on.


If you think we can win at an "elite" level in todays college basketball environment, year in and year out in this conference then you expect too much. This isn't 2001 where we have a Jordan brand affiliation, which is like gold and conference affiliation meant a whole lot less. IF you think were just going to go in and beat a team like Duke, kentucky, UNC, Michigan state and kansas (because thats an elite level) then your mistaken. You need elite talent to win at an elite level. You need an elite conference to get consistent elite talent.

What we do have instead of elite talent, is an elite identity and an elite defensive coach who can turn just about anyone into an elite defender. If you want to abandon the philosophy that helped us over achieve and move into being a top 15 program, then be my guest. But trying to out score a team with a elite players will be a losing effort 9 out 10 times.

mick is trying to survive with the guys the blue bloods never looked at or bothered to talk to. And yet your over expecting a national championship out of 3 and 4 star recruits.

We will forever be underdogs. Just look at the recruiting for the next class, we've been in the top 10 for a lot of the year and we still can't get a single top 100 player to jump on board, play in our shitty conference and be on CBS Sports network every night.

I can tell you this much; this team's best attribute is its defense and its not even close. But yea, lets just focus on offense instead

 

[justinhub2003]

so if cane is an elite defender, why has Cronin benched him so much ?

I too hope Cronin is here for the rest of his career, doesn't mean I want him to become set in his ways this early in his career.

Because Justin Jenifer is also an elite defender (in synergy) and Justin Jenifer has 21 TO on the year in 26 games.

2 things asks of his bearcats: Defend and protect the ball.


Again, Im all for Cane playing way more. But Cane has 42 TO to JJ's 21. Cane has done well at protecting the ball but its still a career high in TOrate for him at 22%. Our PG's have generated 63 extra possession for the team, 2/3rds of that 63 was generated by Cane.


I have no idea why Mick doesn't start Cane. But the only thing I can think of is the double the TO's thing and that JJ is asked to pass the ball and not to score. Cane Shot % is 20%, JJ shot % is 13%. So Justin isn't even looking to score, he is looking to feed the post and pass the ball. And he doesn't Turn the ball over either


thats all i can think of. And that fact that we need Cane's scoring in the middle of the game more than the beginning of the game. Unless you expect Cane to press all game and also play all 40 minutes

 

[cincyguy13]

Hold on.


If you think we can win at an "elite" level in todays college basketball environment, year in and year out in this conference then you expect too much. This isn't 2001 where we have a Jordan brand affiliation, which is like gold and conference affiliation meant a whole lot less. IF you think were just going to go in and beat a team like Duke, kentucky, UNC, Michigan state and kansas (because thats an elite level) then your mistaken. You need elite talent to win at an elite level. You need an elite conference to get consistent elite talent.

What we do have instead of elite talent, is an elite identity and an elite defensive coach who can turn just about anyone into an elite defender. If you want to abandon the philosophy that helped us over achieve and move into being a top 15 program, then be my guest. But trying to out score a team with a elite players will be a losing effort 9 out 10 times.

mick is trying to survive with the guys the blue bloods never looked at or bothered to talk to. And yet your over expecting a national championship out of 3 and 4 star recruits.

We will forever be underdogs. Just look at the recruiting for the next class, we've been in the top 10 for a lot of the year and we still can't get a single top 100 player to jump on board, play in our shitty conference and be on CBS Sports network every night.

I can tell you this much; this team's best attribute is its defense and its not even close. But yea, lets just focus on offense instead

You hold on. I never said any of these things. What I have said in the past. Win our league or league conference tourney more than once every 5 years and make a sweet 16 or more, more often than once every 10 years. I know, crazy thoughts. Also we aren’t playin the big boys. For the most part we aren’t competing with them but for maybe 1 game in the tournament.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

No media member would be telling him how to do his job. It's a simple direct question. But you're right about one thing. He would get pissy. He would get condescending and dismissive. In fact, just look at today's press conference about a pretty benign question and he just goes off on the guy. That's why no one asks the question.

And oh great. We're back to the defer to coach knows best so why even bother talking.

Also you citing synergy having Cane as a high level defender literally makes him not playing Cane more even dumber.

This isn't the first time this has happened either. Do you remember guyn getting significant minutes over Caupain before he got hurt? What about KJ playing over Cumberland? This isn't new.

And if we're going to defer to a coach, as if he's some infallible guy, take a minute and go listen to the top NBA guys after games. Listen to how often Kerr puts blame on himself, or Pop openly talking about how much he messed up with trying to change Aldridge, or Stevens talking about how he should've done X,Y, or Z.

Then listen to Mick's post-game interviews. There's the difference. I'm not sure I've ever heard him say he was at fault for something.

Put me somewhere in the middle I guess. I'm not a "Coach is always right" guy. But the part I bolded is pretty far in the other direction. And I just don't think it's true. I've heard countless times where he says if a guy isn't doing something right, then he's not doing a good enough job of teaching. I know after Wichita (on the radio show maybe) he said we will have to try something else next time. Idk. We don't lose that often so he's not always going to have to publicly self-scout like that. But he says he's not perfect. I find more than X and O type stuff with the media he will talk about how he needs to help his guys. We won't all always agree with the method, but I think we can all agree he has the best interest of UC at heart.

 

[cincyguy13]

Hold on.


If you think we can win at an "elite" level in todays college basketball environment, year in and year out in this conference then you expect too much. This isn't 2001 where we have a Jordan brand affiliation, which is like gold and conference affiliation meant a whole lot less. IF you think were just going to go in and beat a team like Duke, kentucky, UNC, Michigan state and kansas (because thats an elite level) then your mistaken. You need elite talent to win at an elite level. You need an elite conference to get consistent elite talent.

What we do have instead of elite talent, is an elite identity and an elite defensive coach who can turn just about anyone into an elite defender. If you want to abandon the philosophy that helped us over achieve and move into being a top 15 program, then be my guest. But trying to out score a team with a elite players will be a losing effort 9 out 10 times.

mick is trying to survive with the guys the blue bloods never looked at or bothered to talk to. And yet your over expecting a national championship out of 3 and 4 star recruits.

We will forever be underdogs. Just look at the recruiting for the next class, we've been in the top 10 for a lot of the year and we still can't get a single top 100 player to jump on board, play in our shitty conference and be on CBS Sports network every night.

I can tell you this much; this team's best attribute is its defense and its not even close. But yea, lets just focus on offense instead

Also, I don’t hate mick but to never question anything he ever does and act like he is perfect is annoying and dumb. (Not saying you but some people).

Also, do you think this is the ceiling for this program in this conference.? I don’t

 

[cincrulz11]

Pop openly talking about how much he messed up with trying to change Aldridge

this is the exact thing that crossed my mind while reading that epic long rant.

Pop is one of the best to ever do it. He said he flat out screwed up with Aldridge trying to turn him into a player that he wasn't capable of becoming.


Now I'm not trying to put Broome in any sort of class with Aldridge, I want to get that out of the way now before somebody tries to accuse me of that.


But what did happen is a coach as great as Pop just got it wrong for a season or two. It happens. Coaches can sometimes be too close to a situation, or have a certain thing in mind for a player because previous players have been successful for that coach using his system.


I'm sure there are numerous cases of the best of the best looking back at certain situations and with hindsight wishing they'd done it differently. Just like my line about players not being robots, coaches aren't either, sometimes they make mistakes. Thats ok. It's part of life and basketball. It doesn't mean we hate him. It doesn't mean we want him gone. It doesn't mean we aren't thankful for what he's done here. It just means we think maybe not using Cane more has been a mistake.