UC vs. Georgetown

[TheLongHaul]

They have know skills. Did you watch the game. You don't have to guard them. there is no threat of them scoring. the biggs are terrible. you think others are leaving parker,Cash and SK to double Modj,Rubles and jackson. Please!!!!We've had thsi problem all year. Did you see thomas today. Again you need skills to be part of the offense. jThey do not have any. Not just shotting but court awareness,passing. they pose no threat!!!!

So it may be a good idea to move off the ball when they have it in the low post, don't you think. If they have no skills then why would you stand around while they have it in the post?

Our guards don't have much skill either. Which is why this offense is set up to fail.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

So it may be a good idea to move off the ball when they have it in the low post, don't you think. If they have no skills then why would you stand around while they have it in the post?

Our guards don't have much skill either. Which is why this offense is set up to fail.

the guards have plenty of skill. they have carried us the the tourney and 22 wins with little help from the bigs. move off the ball. you act like its a given they can deliver the pass and the cutter would have room to operate. guive it up. the 3 best players on this team carried it to a 22 win seasonl with very little help from the bigs. Ray Charles can see that. BearcatMick could develope a D to stop our Ofense if we only have to cover 3 people with 5. saying cash had a bad game is silly. Did you see rubles,Modj and jackson. How do you think they played????

 

[ucswais]

Cash played fine. Jackson,Modj and Rubles were terrible. Did you see how far the defense pushed us to get a open jumper. You must be kidding Cash had a bad game. Those other three stooges didn't even look to score. If they caught the entry pass they did nothing with it except toss it out to the wing with the shot running down. Mick said it and everyone knows it you can't play 3 against 5. The sad part is with a recruit like Lawrence coming in if you give him the space rubles,jackson and modj had he would eat them up. cash had a bad game is laughable.

Hate to say it, but I agree with him that Cash struggled again today. He didn't do much of anything to get guys shots in the half court. He didn't attack the basket at all. He got abused on at least 2 putbacks under the hoop. He did knock down some 3's that he's been missing for months, which was a good sign.

We hung around on the scoreboard when some 3s went down, but it really was a terrible game today.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

So it may be a good idea to move off the ball when they have it in the low post, don't you think. If they have no skills then why would you stand around while they have it in the post?

Our guards don't have much skill either. Which is why this offense is set up to fail.

How about this, catch the ball,spin to the hoop, drop step,face the basket,draw a foul, something from the bigs.where are the guards going to cut to if the guys defending the psot players don't have to guard them. they are terrible and the fact we won 22 games without even a sniff of a threat inside is a miracle.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Hate to say it, but I agree with him that Cash struggled again today. He didn't do much of anything to get guys shots in the half court. He didn't attack the basket at all. He got abused on at least 2 putbacks under the hoop. He did knock down some 3's that he's been missing for months, which was a good sign.

We hung around on the scoreboard when some 3s went down, but it really was a terrible game today.

he didn't get guys shots. there are only two people who can shot. Parker and SK. The three stooges don't even look for a shot even when there open. Our wings are pressured the whole game and our post players can't make a lay up. Cash put us back in the game. You think hitting 3s from 5 ft behind the NBA line is easy??? Other than get in foul trouble what did the bigs do to help???NOTHING. Been that way all year. they have no help and haven't had any.

 

[ucswais]

he didn't get guys shots. there are only two people who can shot. Parker and SK. The three stooges don't even look for a shot even when there open. Our wings are pressured the whole game and our post players can't make a lay up. Cash put us back in the game. You think hitting 3s from 5 ft behind the NBA line is easy??? Other than get in foul trouble what did the bigs do to help???NOTHING. Been that way all year. they have no help and haven't had any.

Our bigs are mediocre. This isn't news. It was that way in November and it'll be that way in the tournament. Everyone knew what to expect there. The struggles Cash and SK are having were not expected. I love them as a fan, but objectively, they were supposed to carry this team and we're debating whether they played better or worse than Mbodj.

I don't think hitting those shots are easy. That's why I don't want him shooting them. Take a look at any game Cash played last year. He is driving to the basket and making shots at the rim in traffic. This year he is standing several feet beyond the 3 point line launching shots. The fact that a couple happened to go in today doesn't mean a whole lot to me in terms of how he played.

Anyway, on to the tournament and another shot at redemption.

 

[Bearcat04]

Combined with the Syracuse game last weekend Georgetown has allowed just 82 points in the last 80 minutes!

I thought this was the best matchup of the double-bye teams, but that was ugly. No energy. I have no idea how Georgetown ended up with twice as many offensive rebounds. That's inexcusable. This team isn't beating anyone when Kilpatrick plays like that.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Our bigs are mediocre. This isn't news. It was that way in November and it'll be that way in the tournament. Everyone knew what to expect there. The struggles Cash and SK are having were not expected. I love them as a fan, but objectively, they were supposed to carry this team and we're debating whether they played better or worse than Mbodj.

I don't think hitting those shots are easy. That's why I don't want him shooting them. Take a look at any game Cash played last year. He is driving to the elp basket and making shots at the rim in traffic. This year he is standing several feet beyond the 3 point line launching shots. The fact that a couple happened to go in today doesn't mean a whole lot to me in terms of how he played.

Anyway, on to the tournament and another shot at redemption.

you don't think that has something to do with the defense. How about not having a legit big like yancy and a skilled slasher like Dixion. Oh, I see he should drive more? Lol. They did carry the team. Unfortunitely it wasn't enough. Who do you think scored the 43? They have struggled to a 22 win season with out the slightest bit of help from the Biggs. When they do get help they usually won like yesterday. To expect them to carry the team in BE with their Biggs is silly.

 

[Scheids21]

That's my whole point. I don't consider it doing well offensively just because they are scoring points. Sure if they can sustain it I'd agree but it isn't sustainable, which is why they sucked in the second half. We've seen it all year where they just go on spurts and it's solely because they make some of their bad shots even though the offense was still shitty. This is a very poor shooting team and they do nothing to create open looks. Cash scored 14 points but did not play a good game at all.

Ok clearly you just like arguing so let me try one more time. I DON'T THINK THEY PLAYED WELL OFFENSIVELY. I literally just meant they were scoring points.

 

[Cronin crazy 5]

the refs cost us every game according to you. What happened to them winning the BET?

you...are...a....tool.

I will agree the black ref that Td up Cronin was terrible. You have to call the same calls on both end of the floor. but scoring like a high school girls basketball team doesnt bode well either. Sometimes i wonder if this team is even going to break into double digits in the first half. This is might be a tournament team but definately will not win a game in the tournament unless they put up 60 or more. they are very hard to watch play. If they can somehow just go out and hit shots, create and play there D, stealing a couple games or an elite eight run isnt out of the question. But this will be highly unlikely.

 

[CaptDale]

I really don't think they ever were doing well offensively. Cash hit 4-5 from deep and two were bad shots that he normally misses. As I stated after he made those, it's fools gold. They made 4 straight threes and that was pretty much it. Maybe a couple were do to good offense but it was very few and far between. This team has no idea what to do on offense. Mick is largely to blame but the offense completely stalls when the ball is in Cash's hands.

Cash doesn't design the offense. He runs the plays that Mick tells him from what he sees at the point. So he sees ZONE. Obviously, w/o a Big doing much (although Mbodj is getting a tiny bit better), he has nowhere to go. So the 3 guards run back and forth on the perimeter handing off to one another. Nice offensive set ........NOT! The other 2 players should be cutting back and forth through the middle, or working high and low posts. Instead they mostly stand flat-footed. No passes go inside, especially if Nyarsuk is in. He can't handle a ball with stickum on it. If the offense doesn't improve next year, we'll see Mick's head roll - simple as that.

 

[CaptDale]

Jackson isn't good. Mbodj is good defensively but doesn't have any offensive skills. Rubles has shown that he can't shoot and isn't good in this offense. Not sure what you expect them to do. They aren't all of a sudden going to be good. There are plenty of teams in the country that are good yet they don't have scoring big men.

What did Cash do that made you think he had a good game? The only thing you can point to is he made 4 threes. He didn't do anything else the entire game. He never drove, he never created offense, he never dished to his teammates. If you can count on him making those incredibly long 3's every game then that's one thing. Stats say otherwise though.

Cash drove, or at least attempted, but GT's zone would close up on him and he made one of two in the paint that I remember. He was guarding one of the best freshman out there, too, who is tough like Parker and with finesse on his shot. Cash played good, but he just got outplayed. Simple as that. He was 5-8 with a couple of dimes and a couple of steals. He tossed a couple of passes away, but that was more attributable to the GT D than his lack of trying to move the ball up the floor.

 

[TheLongHaul]

Ok clearly you just like arguing so let me try one more time. I DON'T THINK THEY PLAYED WELL OFFENSIVELY. I literally just meant they were scoring points.

yea, it's not like you said "We were doing well offensively". My bad for thinking you meant that they were doing well offensively. Great point that they scored points. That puts it in perspective.

 

[TheLongHaul]

Cash drove, or at least attempted, but GT's zone would close up on him and he made one of two in the paint that I remember. He was guarding one of the best freshman out there, too, who is tough like Parker and with finesse on his shot. Cash played good, but he just got outplayed. Simple as that. He was 5-8 with a couple of dimes and a couple of steals. He tossed a couple of passes away, but that was more attributable to the GT D than his lack of trying to move the ball up the floor.

He attempted to drive about twice. And as soon as the GT D starts to close in he pulls it back out. Does he really expect GT to just let him drive to the basket uncontested? He rarely ever, at least this year, drives and dishes.

He had one turnover trying to dribble out of a rebound instead of securing the ball, one was where he just threw the ball out of bounds against the press (without much pressure on him), and another where he just didn't grab the ball as it was going out of bounds. Other than making his threes I can't think of much that he did well. I guess if that's what you want with your senior PG then that's fine, but we just have different expectations.

 

[CaptDale]

He attempted to drive about twice. And as soon as the GT D starts to close in he pulls it back out. Does he really expect GT to just let him drive to the basket uncontested? He rarely ever, at least this year, drives and dishes.

He had one turnover trying to dribble out of a rebound instead of securing the ball, one was where he just threw the ball out of bounds against the press (without much pressure on him), and another where he just didn't grab the ball as it was going out of bounds. Other than making his threes I can't think of much that he did well. I guess if that's what you want with your senior PG then that's fine, but we just have different expectations.

As I said, he simply got outplayed. He wasn't as quick as DSR and he's not as quick as Siva. But he stays in their face pretty good, regardless. That's the story. Box has him at 2 TO's. He was 5-8 from the field.
Now if we could have gotten BearcatMick out there........... He would have won the game all by himself! Just ask him

 

[bearcat jeff]

He attempted to drive about twice. And as soon as the GT D starts to close in he pulls it back out. Does he really expect GT to just let him drive to the basket uncontested? He rarely ever, at least this year, drives and dishes.

He had one turnover trying to dribble out of a rebound instead of securing the ball, one was where he just threw the ball out of bounds against the press (without much pressure on him), and another where he just didn't grab the ball as it was going out of bounds. Other than making his threes I can't think of much that he did well. I guess if that's what you want with your senior PG then that's fine, but we just have different expectations.

Exactly what I was going to begin with this morning and I am with you 100% on everything else as well. I appreciate Cashmere Wright, and I appreciate how hurt he is, but the fact is he has not been a leader this season on the court.

I was screaming at the television "DRIVE!" as he'd turn on his man then back out rather than split the defense. Same thing on the press. There'd be 3 guys around the ball and you know downcourt you have an advantage, so instead of attacking you back out and slow dribble up the court and allow the defense to drop back as well.

Rubles is the same way, drive, stop, don't even look at the basket, and try and pass backwards. SK has no desire to drive and totally lacks agression. Only Parker and Thomas understands what to do with a basketball in their hand. Hit or miss you put pressure on the defense by attacking and at least give yourself a chance to go to the ft line and score.

 

[UCBearcats]

Exactly what I was going to begin with this morning and I am with you 100% on everything else as well. I appreciate Cashmere Wright, and I appreciate how hurt he is, but the fact is he has not been a leader this season on the court.

How much money are does anyone want to bet that next season on these forums people are saying I wish we still had Cashmere Wright? Some of the people on these boards are so ridiculous. Jeff, you love to point out all the little problems you see with our players and many times have referred to guys as lazy yet the first time someone says a bad word about Mick you get all butt hurt and rush to his defense. The same people slamming Cashmere Wright are the same idiots who did this with Deonta Vaughn, Lance Stephenson and Yancy Gates. It's not Cashmere Wright's fault this team struggles to score 50 points night in and night out.

You want to come out and say that you don't think Cash is that talented, that's fine. Don't go around making statements about how the kid isn't a leader on the floor. The mere fact that the kid is playing with a dislocated shoulder and a busted up knee that probably needs another surgery displays leadership. Kilpatrick was quoted a few weeks back saying he was amazed that Cash was even playing and that basically no one else would be able to play through the pain that he is. If that's not leadership then what is??

You want to question someone's leadership then look to the guy wearing the ugly suits and ties.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Exactly what I was going to begin with this morning and I am with you 100% on everything else as well. I appreciate Cashmere Wright, and I appreciate how hurt he is, but the fact is he has not been a leader this season on the court.

I was screaming at the television "DRIVE!" as he'd turn on his man then back out rather than split the defense. Same thing on the press. There'd be 3 guys around the ball and you know downcourt you have an advantage, so instead of attacking you back out and slow dribble up the court and allow the defense to drop back as well.

Rubles is the same way, drive, stop, don't even look at the basket, and try and pass backwards. SK has no desire to drive and totally lacks agression. Only Parker and Thomas understands what to do with a basketball in their hand. Hit or miss you put pressure on the defense by attacking and at least give yourself a chance to go to the ft line and score.

jeff you couldn't be more wrong in your thoughts. lets go at it this way. If you were the opposing coach game planing for UC how would you defend them? Three things would be at the top of my list. Cash and SK would be the focus of my attention. Make SK put the ball on the floor to score. Stop dribble drive by Cash to cut down on the kick out to the wings. Don't get outrebounded. Everything I mentioned GT did. they are not a potential 1 seed for nothing. They are not a good rebounding yet they outrebounded us by one. Cash couldn't get to the hole because they defended it well and SK had very few wide open jumpers. Everytime we went inside to a big they either lost the ball or blew the lay up. Modj had 4 TO's in his limited time in game. Do you really believe that GT didn't plan to shut off Cash. He is the only true ball handler we have. Couple that with the fact we were in foul trouble early and we struggled for long stretches offensively. When your a team that struggles offensively but is good defensively taking on a team that is good defensively,does not rebound well, but is better offensively you don't speed up the game to give them more touches or opportunities. Fact is they are a better team then us. We got beat by a better team. We have no bigs and our PG is hurt.
Cashmere Wright stats before/after knee sprain on January 15.
Before Injury: 18 G 15.1 PPG 47% FG 44% 3PFG.
After Injury: 10 G 8.2 PPG 23% FG 18% 3PFG.
Last 10 Days: 4 G 12.5 PPG 47% FG 50% 3PFG

Getting 22 wins in the regular season from this bunch is a good job. Here is another thought. Narsuk was a last minute pick up, Gaines has been a project from day 1 and will never be a D 1 contributing center if he can graduate to make room for Lawrence that s the most help he'll be to team in his career,Mdj was not our first choice Gods gift was and he lost a year of developmental time doe to injury. jackson is a off the bench good defensive player but I wouldn't want him touching the ball regularily. Rubles is 1 year removed from JC. getting 22 wins with that front court in BE is amazing and a tribute to the entire team.

 

[cincycpaw]

Getting 22 wins in the regular season from this bunch is a good job. Here is another thought. Narsuk was a last minute pick up, Gaines has been a project from day 1 and will never be a D 1 contributing center if he can graduate to make room for Lawrence that s the most help he'll be to team in his career,Mdj was not our first choice Gods gift was and he lost a year of developmental time doe to injury. jackson is a off the bench good defensive player but I wouldn't want him touching the ball regularily. Rubles is 1 year removed from JC. getting 22 wins with that front court in BE is amazing and a tribute to the entire team.

Oh man, I'm tired of seeing people blame recruiting to show that Mick is a good coach. It's part of the job. I think Mick has done a nice job here. Last years team was his best work. It does seem like he's needed to suspend or kick players off the team in order to get their attention, and it didn;t happen this year and the team has either tuned him out or just isn;t talented enough.

Mick has a terrific recruiting class coming in. 3 years from now, we will see where this program is. It's going to be a frustrating year next year with so much youth, but I feel an exciting couple of years ahead.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Oh man, I'm tired of seeing people blame recruiting to show that Mick is a good coach. It's part of the job. I think Mick has done a nice job here. Last years team was his best work. It does seem like he's needed to suspend or kick players off the team in order to get their attention, and it didn;t happen this year and the team has either tuned him out or just isn;t talented enough.

Mick has a terrific recruiting class coming in. 3 years from now, we will see where this program is. It's going to be a frustrating year next year with so much youth, but I feel an exciting couple of years ahead.

cincypaw, I think we agree. Mick has done a nice job with the players he has. As his caoching skills get more attention and we gain back some of the programs noterity he will continue to advance the program. He seems to be getting better players as the team makes the NCAA yearly. If SK stays and Rubles improves with weaht we have coming in i think we can get there again next year. I agree with you in a couple of years we could really be on our way and be in the reload mode every year instead of a total rebuild.