LMAO my God dude who are you? Seriously... Did I mention how they're connected? Hell no so what are you talking about. My point was my point, I def wouldn't mind Hardnett over Davenport. Logan made more key impressive plays than Zach Harvey has this yr. Between the 4 I'll take Hardnett and Logan. Davenport is a bum, same type juice as that 5th yrs senior point guard brannen brought in same kind of drench/dripHardnett didn’t leave because of Davenport, they have nothing to do with each other. He left because of Harvey. A top 60 talent. You make that trade every time. Still confusing why people long for Logan and Hardnett. They aren’t good. At least right now. And if they are an improvement to this roster, it’s minimal at best.
So you’re whole strategy is to do something that hasn’t worked for 30 minutes and hope the players increase the effort? Your strategy is hope? As opposed to trying to change something? Just trying to get on the same page.
The point was that wasn’t an option. I’d love to have sk play on this team. Awesome. That’s not an option. Logan and Hardnett have done nothing. If you would rather have them, that’s your opinion. My point is it wouldn’t have made a difference. Every player we have mentioned hasn’t done anything.LMAO my God dude who are you? Seriously... Did I mention how they're connected? Hell no so what are you talking about. My point was my point, I def wouldn't mind Hardnett over Davenport. Logan made more key impressive plays than Zach Harvey has this yr. Between the 4 I'll take Hardnett and Logan. Davenport is a bum, same type juice as that 5th yrs senior point guard brannen brought in same kind of drench/drip
Or we would have won by more. You can play the what if game all day. But hope isn’t a great strategy.its clearly brannens. and it has worked multiple times this season. memphis, houston, and temple in the past month.
had he changed his defense vs those teams and we lost them is he a better coach cause he tried something?
Or we would have won by more. You can play the what if game all day. But hope isn’t a great strategy.
Well it's ok to exercise and express vision. Like when I told you when we got Zach Harvey that he wouldn't be too impressive and that recruiting rankings are overrated and very subjective. So far, he's been less effective than a few freshman we've had come through here the past few yrs MAW has been the only one putting up reason as to why the bench is weak. We could have a potential roster that looks something like the replacements. Just a bunch of awkward guys and a awkward looking coach is anyone polished sheesh. But anyway very justifiable bringing them up when thier presence was present this yr up until a few changes. Nice job TRYING to regulate thoughThe point was that wasn’t an option. I’d love to have sk play on this team. Awesome. That’s not an option. Logan and Hardnett have done nothing. If you would rather have them, that’s your opinion. My point is it wouldn’t have made a difference. Every player we have mentioned hasn’t done anything.
You have no clue if we would have won by more or not. There’s literally no way to know that. But if that helps your argument, by all means. Look, I’m with you, but you can’t sit back and hope things get better. That isn’t how you coach. You don’t leave McNeal in and hope he figures out how to get better. That’s dumb. We had to have the game. It wasn’t Brannens best game. It’s ok.neither is switching to a defense you never play or practice.
and we probably dont win those games by more. we only won those games cause those teams quit scoring altogether.
Harvey is getting better. Most freshmen don’t come in and succeed immediately. That’s not how it works. On the Hardnett and Davenport thing. I like both. I think they both will have careers similar to Tre. Take them a couple years and then develop in to solid starters. Davenport is high energy and already has better ball skills than Tre. If he continues to work hard, he will be solidWell it's ok to exercise and express vision. Like when I told you when we got Zach Harvey that he wouldn't be too impressive and that recruiting rankings are overrated and very subjective. So far, he's been less effective than a few freshman we've had come through here the past few yrs MAW has been the only one putting up reason as to why the bench is weak. We could have a potential roster that looks something like the replacements. Just a bunch of awkward guys and a awkward looking coach is anyone polished sheesh. But anyway very justifiable bringing them up when thier presence was present this yr up until a few changes. Nice job TRYING to regulate though
You have no clue if we would have won by more or not. There’s literally no way to know that. But if that helps your argument, by all means. Look, I’m with you, but you can’t sit back and hope things get better. That isn’t how you coach. You don’t leave McNeal in and hope he figures out how to get better. That’s dumb. We had to have the game. It wasn’t Brannens best game. It’s ok.
my general point is we were fine with it when we won but now that we lost we aren't fine with it.
either its good or its bad. brannen has had success this year sticking with his defense even when its been bad for the first 75% of the game. it has proven to be a winning strategy vs far better teams than ucf. and it held ucf to 13 points the last 10 minutes of regulation.
now if we lost the other games when he stuck with it, and then lost this one too. i see the validity of the argument. i dont see the validity when we've stuck with it previously and its locked teams up despite being bad for the first 30 minutes.
I think others question it. I did not but others have been questioning the defensive strategy even in those games. Losing games is always going to bring up questions. Winning games is always going to mask those question. We haven’t played well for 4-5 games and our season is basically over. Questions are going to come up
Look, I'm rooting for Diarra, and he has had a few games where he looked promising but he was horrid last night on both ends of the floor and sucked the life right out of the game when he was in. His errors completely changed the game in the first half.
Vogt wasn't good defending the ball last night but frankly he was better than Scott. Trevon reverted back to his earlier days trying to defend the white dude from OSU and X. He got blown by on just about every possession.
Granted, I do completely agree that Brannen should have switched to a zone. No idea why he didn't. I'm really high on Brannen, but that was a big mistake.
Just a quick back of the envelope calculation, so it may be slightly wrong. When Diarra was in the game in the first half, he was +6. Vogt in the first half was +1. I know +/- isn't the greatest measure, but it's a pretty common theme with Diarra. Even when he looks bad, he still ends up with a positive +/- because of his impact of defense and on the boards (with the exception of the UConn game, where he was just straight up terrible). He still has a long way to go obviously, but he generally isn't the liability that many make him out to be.
I think others question it. I did not but others have been questioning the defensive strategy even in those games. Losing games is always going to bring up questions. Winning games is always going to mask those question. We haven’t played well for 4-5 games and our season is basically over. Questions are going to come up
Keith is amazing at one thing. Jumping. He should be an elite lock down defender but is not...he can be. He can fly to the rack but shows little judgement in doing so too often. Jarron Cumberland does a lot more with a lot less athleticism. Because he has more BB IQ. He understands how to get defenders off balance and take advantage of that...and he can shoot. If Gabe Madsen can do all the things Keith can do and shows higher BB IQ, better shooting etc...but lacks a little pop in his step...I will take that every day. SK was another limited athlete who just knew how to play the game. He nor Jarron had killer ball skills or could jump very high.
I love Keith and I would not trade him out...but elite hops only get you so far if you don't understand how to control your drives to the lane. He doesn't have an ankle breaker cross over...his one move is a straight line to the base line which is only open a fraction of the time because that is where the D is okay with him going. He uses the occasional step back but too often it's for a long 2 instead of a 3 or a short range 2.
In Keiths 3rd year he is still only the 3rd or 4th option on the team. Next year will likely be different but Jarron was POY in his junior year. Jarron can barely dunk a BB at 6'5". A slow mid major backup transfer center became the 2nd option. Tre has been making a solid case for 3rd option.
We can feature Keith next year but I am not sure how consistent he will be. I hope he kills it and gets to go to the league!
I think others question it. I did not but others have been questioning the defensive strategy even in those games. Losing games is always going to bring up questions. Winning games is always going to mask those question. We haven’t played well for 4-5 games and our season is basically over. Questions are going to come up
Yup, I have been questioning our defense pretty much all season and I'm not the only one. Mostly because of Vogt. Vogt just lacks the mobility to play man-to-man if the other teams big man can shoot. Put him in the center of a zone and it masks a lot of his flaws.
We have seen the same formula beat us in numerous games all season. Pull Vogt away from the basket and put him in pick and rolls. Then drive to the basket and with Vogt on the perimeter our interior help defense and rim protection is basically non-existent.
you realize UCF was doing that against Scott right? Which led to multiple layups including the game typing one (either in regulation or OT, can't remember). Scott has been a poor perimeter defender all year as well. Funny you never mention it though.
Scott had a bad game on defense, but he has been our best defender on the season (though Diarra was better early in the year). He also scored 22 points and grabbed 21 rebounds while playing 40+ minutes for the fourth consecutive game. I'll give him a pass for having one bad defensive game.
Vogt has been bad defensively all season. He is probably one of the worst perimeter defenders in the country. He also happens to be very bad at rebounding in conference play. And he scored 7 points against UCF while grabbing only 6 rebounds.