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It’s really hard to compare these years to other years. I get it. It looks like a mess, but I can’t imagine trying to build a program in these conditions. What are you going to sell? No fans, can’t do anything on campus. Most of our guys aren’t going to nba. What’s the pitch? I understand everyone is dealing with it but it can’t be easy.
 
It’s really hard to compare these years to other years. I get it. It looks like a mess, but I can’t imagine trying to build a program in these conditions. What are you going to sell? No fans, can’t do anything on campus. Most of our guys aren’t going to nba. What’s the pitch? I understand everyone is dealing with it but it can’t be easy.

I agree, that's why I am not one of the people who crucify JB after every loss, UK is 1-6 right now. Its hard to build a program in regular times, and now its even worse. Hindsight is always 20/20 so its easy for all of us to sit on here and say how different things should be when the same people were praising JB when he got this recruiting class and got Rap and DJ as transfers. I agree JB has made some boneheaded decisions but I don't think you can judge the future of this program with him at the helm after this particular season.
 
Honestly if Gabe is for sure gone then I want mason to leave to. We would have never offered mason by himself. We offered as a package deal and the best part of the package just left.


Mason is lowest rated guard that UC has ever taken that I can find in the 247 sports era.

Lower than Trevor Moore,

So if it’s taller better brother couldn’t get on the floor on a 2-5 team. I’d think he’s gonna struggle as well.


He can walk on if he wants

When did we start writing guys off after a handful of games? That seems to be a recent thing. I get the team sucks but the guy has more experienced wings in front of him. I never thought he would get a ton of minutes. Doesn’t mean either of them can’t be good players.
 
It’s really hard to compare these years to other years. I get it. It looks like a mess, but I can’t imagine trying to build a program in these conditions. What are you going to sell? No fans, can’t do anything on campus. Most of our guys aren’t going to nba. What’s the pitch? I understand everyone is dealing with it but it can’t be easy.


To me CJB comes off as cold. I could be wrong but that’s just the vibe I get. That he has a hard time building trust and friendships with certain players.

Running plays is just a part of the job. The other part is relationships. And with all the player movement, the battle with Jarron etc. it seems that he hasn’t figured out that side of the game yet at cincinnati.

He may have also made a jump into the wrong kind of league. This is a physical and tough league. The horizon not so much. If you want players to run through a brick wall for you, then you gotta build relationships
 
When did we start writing guys off after a handful of games? That seems to be a recent thing. I get the team sucks but the guy has more experienced wings in front of him. I never thought he would get a ton of minutes. Doesn’t mean either of them can’t be good players.

This is the worst 3 point shooting Bearcats team in the Kenpom era and Bearcats aren’t known for shooting. If his defense was so bad that he couldn’t help you even a little bit on what amounts to a god awful bottom of the league team, then it’s a problem.

As for mason. I never wanted him. He’s a NKU level player by almost every measure and we signed him.

We need to aim higher than 470th best player
 
I agree, that's why I am not one of the people who crucify JB after every loss, UK is 1-6 right now. Its hard to build a program in regular times, and now its even worse. Hindsight is always 20/20 so its easy for all of us to sit on here and say how different things should be when the same people were praising JB when he got this recruiting class and got Rap and DJ as transfers. I agree JB has made some boneheaded decisions but I don't think you can judge the future of this program with him at the helm after this particular season.


Comparing us to UK is silly though. Calipari has a national championship and countless sweet 16’s.. they are a program that will absolutely be fine abd have a proven coach.

We don’t. We aren’t UK. And we don’t have John Calipari.
 
Gabe could transfer to Minnesota or other big schools.

But mason has more incentive to stay because he will never play on a UC caliber team unless he walks on.

Look at his offer list


247 graded mason a 2 star
 
To me CJB comes off as cold. I could be wrong but that’s just the vibe I get. That he has a hard time building trust and friendships with certain players.

Running plays is just a part of the job. The other part is relationships. And with all the player movement, the battle with Jarron etc. it seems that he hasn’t figured out that side of the game yet at cincinnati.

He may have also made a jump into the wrong kind of league. This is a physical and tough league. The horizon not so much. If you want players to run through a brick wall for you, then you gotta build relationships

Honestly, you have no idea what kind of relationships he builds with players. You’re bases all this off what you think. And let’s be honest, the fact that you didn’t want him in the first place plays a part in that. That’s human nature
 
Comparing us to UK is silly though. Calipari has a national championship and countless sweet 16’s.. they are a program that will absolutely be fine abd have a proven coach.

We don’t. We aren’t UK. And we don’t have John Calipari.

nor did I say we were UK I was just putting into perspective how everyone is basically going through the same problems and issues. Myself and anyone else on here are not naïve enough to put those programs on the same level. But my point was we all knew this year would be tough even if there wasn't covid
 
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Comparing us to UK is silly though. Calipari has a national championship and countless sweet 16’s.. they are a program that will absolutely be fine abd have a proven coach.

We don’t. We aren’t UK. And we don’t have John Calipari.

Why don’t we have countless sweet 16s?
 
Mason will be better than Gabe dude. Just because of a ranking this is how you base everything? They are being rated at 16-17-18 years old. That doesnt take into account work ethic, heart, or just becoming a man. Im not sold on gabe. dudes soft

Kilpatrick was ranked the 341st best player in the country and only had an offer from UC and turned out to the one of the all time greats for this school. That's why it kills me when people get wrapped up in how many stars are behind a kids name.
 
Honestly if Gabe is for sure gone then I want mason to leave to. We would have never offered mason by himself. We offered as a package deal and the best part of the package just left.


Mason is lowest rated guard that UC has ever taken that I can find in the 247 sports era.

Lower than Trevor Moore,

So if it’s taller better brother couldn’t get on the floor on a 2-5 team. I’d think he’s gonna struggle as well.


He can walk on if he wants

and you think gabe is going to be good becuase why? Dudes soft and cant play D. Cant play D, wont succeed. Atleast Mason is rumored to play D, and he isnt quitting on the team.
 
This is the worst 3 point shooting Bearcats team in the Kenpom era and Bearcats aren’t known for shooting. If his defense was so bad that he couldn’t help you even a little bit on what amounts to a god awful bottom of the league team, then it’s a problem.

As for mason. I never wanted him. He’s a NKU level player by almost every measure and we signed him.

We need to aim higher than 470th best player

He might suck, maybe he’s the worst player of all time. But can we at least see the guy play and give him a chance before talking about how terrible the guy is. I can’t believe this a foreign concept to some people.
 
Honestly, you have no idea what kind of relationships he builds with players. You’re bases all this off what you think. And let’s be honest, the fact that you didn’t want him in the first place plays a part in that. That’s human nature

I can 100% assure that if Uc was 5-2 right now with a top 30 class signed for 2021 I’d have zero gripes outside of normal Game by game critiques.
 
Kilpatrick was ranked the 341st best player in the country and only had an offer from UC and turned out to the one of the all time greats for this school. That's why it kills me when people get wrapped up in how many stars are behind a kids name.

It all comes back to the coach. The fact that brannen brought him in is why people say he sucks.
 
Kilpatrick was ranked the 341st best player in the country and only had an offer from UC and turned out to the one of the all time greats for this school. That's why it kills me when people get wrapped up in how many stars are behind a kids name.

Yea your right we should sign only guys in 300 and 400’s because SK was good.

SK was an anomaly and you know it. And we also know that Mick was a pretty good evaluator of raw talent.

CJB hasn’t earned that respect yet.
 
I can 100% assure that if Uc was 5-2 right now with a top 30 class signed for 2021 I’d have zero gripes outside of normal Game by game critiques.

That has nothing to do with you saying he doesn’t know how build relationships. Whether the team is 20-0, or 0-20, you still don’t know.
 
and you think gabe is going to be good becuase why? Dudes soft and cant play D. Cant play D, wont succeed. Atleast Mason is rumored to play D, and he isnt quitting on the team.

I don’t have faith in Gabe at all but do believe he has a higher ceiling than mason. Even if you don’t go along with his recruiting rank, just compare their offer lists. Marquette loves white guys who can shoot but they didn’t offer mason but did his brother.
 
Comparing us to UK is silly though. Calipari has a national championship and countless sweet 16’s.. they are a program that will absolutely be fine abd have a proven coach.

We don’t. We aren’t UK. And we don’t have John Calipari.

Why don’t we have countless sweet 16s though?
 
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