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UCBearcats said:
Yeah, and if you spend money to bring in a coach who can get this program back on top then you can make money. Kind of hard to spend 10.2 million on bball when you spend the first half of your season playing to 5 or 6k fans/night and every time you do start to generate some buzz in the fan base you turn around and lose 3 or 4 straight games at home.

Kind of like how our football program made pennies per year until we got Brian Kelly in here and gave the fan base something to get excited about.

Again, I'm not arguing that we have an athletic budget on par with some of the bigger schools, we clearly don't. You made the statement that we can't afford a good coach, that's simply not true, or if it is you're certainly not qualified to make that statement.
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When did I ever say we couldn't afford a good coach? Our budget isn't that bad. The problem is keeping a good coach when they could make more elsewhere, while not having to go through obstacles like raising money so the team can travel like everyone else. I think the fact that other schools have contacted Mick, who they know is at his dream job, just goes to show how much other programs have to offer in terms of salary and resources. If UC's program was on par with other programs then there really wouldn't be anything else to offer him.
 
JasonS said:
Even when Brian Kelly was here the football program made pennies. That is why they are adding luxury boxes: to increase revenue. 35,000+ seats is not enough to fund an athletic department.
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Ha, I agree with that....but we're making more now than we ever did before.
 
ESPN Insider (rumors section) is reporting that Shaka Smart and VCU are negotiating a long term extension. Also reporting that Josh Pastner (Memphis) has agreed in principal to stay at Memphis.
 
UCLA AD Dan Guerrero has said he wants to hire “someone who plays a fun brand of basketball.

“We don’t want to bring in a coach who averages 50 points per game,” he told the L.A. Times.

Haha I guess Mick is out.
 
JackBauer151 said:
UCLA AD Dan Guerrero has said he wants to hire “someone who plays a fun brand of basketball.

“We don’t want to bring in a coach who averages 50 points per game,” he told the L.A. Times.

Haha I guess Mick is out.
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And that same Zagsblog article states UCLA's boosters want Mark Gottfried. He has a 3.5 million dollar buyout though that will make it tough.
 
JasonS said:
Really? We didn't play OSU or UK. We only played Duke in the Great Alaskan Shootout. We never played Syracuse before the Big East. When's the last time we played IU or Florida in an OOC game that wasn't a tournament like Maui or Alaska? Frankly, do some research before you make these crazy statements.
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Sorry, I guess I just imagined sitting behind Rick Pitino and Kentucky in the Shoe in Nov. of 91. And, behind Bobby Knight and Indiana in Jan. of 92. And sitting in the top row of Assembly Hall in Bloomington when we played there in Dec. of 92. And either attending or watching all the other great teams and programs during those years....that we somehow cannot schedule anymore. The reason we can't get these teams on our schedule is that our program is no longer respected, we're no longer nationally ranked, and we don't have a high profile coach. TV has no interest in a team that scores 48 points a game. Read it and weep, and by the way, do your own research before you make your crazy statements.

Kentucky 11/91
Indiana 1/92, 12/92
Duke 12/89, 11/98
North Carolina 11/93, 12/94, 12/99
Kansas 12/96
Arizona 2/93, 2/96
Mich. St. 12/90, 12/91
Arkansas 12/94, 12/95, 1/97
Maryland 2/95
UNLV 12/98, 1/00, 12/00, 11/01
Florida St. 1/90, 1/91
Minnesota 11/89, 12/90, 12/94, 12/95, 12/97, 12/98
Wake Forest 12/01, 2/02, 2/04, 1/05
Notre Dame 11/00
Illinois 12/04
Alabama 12/00
Tennessee 1/92, 1/93
Oklahoma 1/99, 12/99
Purdue 12/01 11/04
Temple 12/92, 12/93, 12/94, 12/95, 1/97, 2/00
Clemson 12/00, 12/02, 12/03
Georgia Tech 12/94
Gonzaga 12/99
UMASS 1/93, 1/94, 12/97
California 2/94, 12/94, 12/95
Washington 12/93, 2/97
S. California 1/96, 1/97
Nebraska 12/96
S. Carolina 2/97, 1/98
Arizona St. 11/97
Iowa St. 11/98, 11/99
Okla. St. 11/01 2/03
Miss. St. 12/01
Oregon 12/02
Vandy 12/04
 
L-T said:
Sorry, I guess I just imagined sitting behind Rick Pitino and Kentucky in the Shoe in Nov. of 91. And, behind Bobby Knight and Indiana in Jan. of 92. And sitting in the top row of Assembly Hall in Bloomington when we played there in Dec. of 92. And either attending or watching all the other great teams and programs during those years....that we somehow cannot schedule anymore. The reason we can't get these teams on our schedule is that our program is no longer respected, we're no longer nationally ranked, and we don't have a high profile coach. TV has no interest in a team that scores 48 points a game. Read it and weep, and by the way, do your own research before you make your crazy statements.

Kentucky 11/91
Indiana 1/92, 12/92
Duke 12/89, 11/98
North Carolina 11/93, 12/94, 12/99
Kansas 12/96
Arizona 2/93, 2/96
Mich. St. 12/90, 12/91
Arkansas 12/94, 12/95, 1/97
Maryland 2/95
UNLV 12/98, 1/00, 12/00, 11/01
Florida St. 1/90, 1/91
Minnesota 11/89, 12/90, 12/94, 12/95, 12/97, 12/98
Wake Forest 12/01, 2/02, 2/04, 1/05
Notre Dame 11/00
Illinois 12/04
Alabama 12/00
Tennessee 1/92, 1/93
Oklahoma 1/99, 12/99
Purdue 12/01 11/04
Temple 12/92, 12/93, 12/94, 12/95, 1/97, 2/00
Clemson 12/00, 12/02, 12/03
Georgia Tech 12/94
Gonzaga 12/99
UMASS 1/93, 1/94, 12/97
California 2/94, 12/94, 12/95
Washington 12/93, 2/97
S. California 1/96, 1/97
Nebraska 12/96
S. Carolina 2/97, 1/98
Arizona St. 11/97
Iowa St. 11/98, 11/99
Okla. St. 11/01 2/03
Miss. St. 12/01
Oregon 12/02
Vandy 12/04
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Really? You have to go back to 91 and 92 for these games? That was 20 years ago. Yup, we schedule UK and IU all the time and so recently that of course they should be on our schedule.

So you consider Iowa State and Oregon big time, huh? Those teams sound familiar from this season. So glad we got those games against those power houses you mentioned in your previous post....like Oklahoma St, Miss St, Arizona St, and Clemson! Look at when the majority of these supposed awesome games were...over 15 years ago and when we were in a decent league (not the best bball league) where you had to schedule more of these games! Frankly, considering our conference affiliation during those years, you should have found MORE of these OOC games.
 
Bearcat04 said:
When did I ever say we couldn't afford a good coach? Our budget isn't that bad. The problem is keeping a good coach when they could make more elsewhere, while not having to go through obstacles like raising money so the team can travel like everyone else. I think the fact that other schools have contacted Mick, who they know is at his dream job, just goes to show how much other programs have to offer in terms of salary and resources. If UC's program was on par with other programs then there really wouldn't be anything else to offer him.
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Who has made any offers to Cronin over the past few years? I have heard of not one.
 
He was offered the NC State job. He was ahead of Gottfried in their search. Also the lack of scheduling has much more to do about money and TV than it does about respect. We were scheduled to play Duke at MSG last year but it got pulled by ESPN because it wanted a matchup of the former years National Championship with Butler.
 
JasonS said:
Really? You have to go back to 91 and 92 for these games? That was 20 years ago. Yup, we schedule UK and IU all the time and so recently that of course they should be on our schedule.

So you consider Iowa State and Oregon big time, huh? Those teams sound familiar from this season. So glad we got those games against those power houses you mentioned in your previous post....like Oklahoma St, Miss St, Arizona St, and Clemson! Look at when the majority of these supposed awesome games were...over 15 years ago and when we were in a decent league (not the best bball league) where you had to schedule more of these games! Frankly, considering our conference affiliation during those years, you should have found MORE of these OOC games.
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Are you talking 20 years ago when Huggins was a young coach trying to build this program into a power? Your absolutely correct. Notice when we finally became a power, the big time blue bloods wanted no part of us...outside of North Carolina and Kansas one time. I only listed the power programs and teams from the power conferences. There were many more games against good mid-major programs as well. We played Miami and Dayton home and home for many of those years too. There were some of those years that we had the #1 rated schedule in the nation, and that fact proved out by us getting many high seeds in the tournament.

Listen, your showing how foolish you are arguing for Cronin. He has scheduled patsies to pad his win totals. It took him 5 years to just get us to the tourney. Crean has his team number one in the nation in year 5 of starting with nothing. He plays in a conference just as good as ours. He is recruiting like a maniac. Cronin has us scoring 40 points a game, recruiting a pletheora of 3-star players, can't throw the ball inbounds, can't pass the ball, players can't shoot, no inside game whatsoever, players don't improve under him, bounced from the tourney in the first round by a mid-major. What did we have, 2 first round exits in about 16 years before Mick. Now it's one in three (notice I'm not counting his first 4 years). We haven't sniffed an elite 8 or final 4, and there is no hint of sniffing either of those in the forseeable future. The fanbase is uninterested in the program. The student section is never full. Hell, even the Red Sweater sections have many empty seats. We just finished our short history in the best conference in the world and barely ever sold out a game in our entire history in that league. As UCBEARCATS said the other day, he is doing just enough to not get fired, meanwhile we're stuck in a mediocre program and now have been demoted to a mid-major conference.

Anyone arguing for more of the same is happy living in mediocrity. I'm not. I want this program to be a top program like our tradition says we are. We have proven that this program is far better than settling for mediocrity and playing teams we didn't know existed. We need a coach that can ignite the fanbase, promote the program, play the best competition, make his players better, make the team better, win championships. If Cronin is that person, then he better start proving it very soon, or else we need to move on. I don't want to hear about his budget, or his conference, or nobody will play us, or he started with nothing. Florida Gulf Coast literally started with nothing and they are in the Sweet 16. LaSalle was 4th in the powerful A10 and are in the sweet 16. How big is Wichita's budget? How about George Mason, VCU, etc., etc. Mick is out of excuses. Just win!
 
You know Longtimer, I use to go to Bengals games, then I realized I couldn't go to the games without ******** the entire game about Mike Brown, Marvin, etc. Then I quit going and was much happier for it. Something you might want to consider.

Your hatred for all things Mick borders on insanity. It must be hard for you to accept that he isn't going any where. Think about that, he will most likely be the coach here for his remaining career. Can you handle 20 more years of ********?
 
Mick is a very well thought of coach amonst his peers. He has had chances to leave and stayed. The Program is improving and on stable footing. We have a top 25 recruiting class arriving this year. MICK ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE AND SHOULDN'T. IF YOR UNHAPPY WITH HIS PERFORMANCE WRITE THE ADMINISTRATION. I HAVE TO WARN YOU THOUGH THEY LOVE HIM. MICK ISN'T LEAVING BECAUSE A FEW FANS AREN'T HAPPY. Attendence rose last year and will probably go up again this year. I'm happy with the Coach and direction of the program. Next subject!!!!
 
JackBauer151 said:
He was offered the NC State job. He was ahead of Gottfried in their search. Also the lack of scheduling has much more to do about money and TV than it does about respect. We were scheduled to play Duke at MSG last year but it got pulled by ESPN because it wanted a matchup of the former years National Championship with Butler.
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Perfect example of what I was talking about yesterday. And you know this how?
 
aronius said:
You know Longtimer, I use to go to Bengals games, then I realized I couldn't go to the games without ******** the entire game about Mike Brown, Marvin, etc. Then I quit going and was much happier for it. Something you might want to consider.

Your hatred for all things Mick borders on insanity. It must be hard for you to accept that he isn't going any where. Think about that, he will most likely be the coach here for his remaining career. Can you handle 20 more years of ********?
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I don't hate Mick Cronin. I hate mediocrity...the same thing that got Rick Minter fired. How did that work out? I don't go to the games to gripe about Cronin. I go to cheer on the Cats, and no coach alive will stop me from doing that. If a coach can cause you to quit going, then you weren't a true fan anyway. I'm a true fan and I'll keep going.
 
aronius said:
You know Longtimer, I use to go to Bengals games, then I realized I couldn't go to the games without ******** the entire game about Mike Brown, Marvin, etc. Then I quit going and was much happier for it. Something you might want to consider.

Your hatred for all things Mick borders on insanity. It must be hard for you to accept that he isn't going any where. Think about that, he will most likely be the coach here for his remaining career. Can you handle 20 more years of ********?
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WOW. I didn't even put it together that L-T is Longtimer. Thanks for pointing that out. I completely forgot about him. Funny how he hid in the sand until things went a little south then he popped back out. Unfortunately I thought the days of having to read posts from the likes of Longtimer, Doss, Don, and others was long gone. Damn.
 
TheLongHaul said:
WOW. I didn't even put it together that L-T is Longtimer. Thanks for pointing that out. I completely forgot about him. Funny how he hid in the sand until things went a little south then he popped back out. Unfortunately I thought the days of having to read posts from the likes of Longtimer, Doss, Don, and others was long gone. Damn.
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The only thing that would been more transparent is if Don came back talking about softball and being a winner...
 
Jeff, while I think everyone should beable to have their say and voice there opinions. I'm at a loss for the negativity and misinformation surrounding the Coach. Debating strategy and personell is fun but with the limited information and lack of experience as D1 coaches we are less the asute in our observations to say the least. We now have half the board defending the Coach and the other half attacking him. I'm glad baseball season is here. Enjoyed the site but feel its losing some credibility because some have a agenda other than enjoying the conversation and rooting for the Cats. Many apparently are posting under multiple ID's. Hope you can get this fixed because it is a nce site to talk basketball on. Hope when i return thngs have improved.
 
JasonS said:
Really? You have to go back to 91 and 92 for these games? That was 20 years ago. Yup, we schedule UK and IU all the time and so recently that of course they should be on our schedule.

So you consider Iowa State and Oregon big time, huh? Those teams sound familiar from this season. So glad we got those games against those power houses you mentioned in your previous post....like Oklahoma St, Miss St, Arizona St, and Clemson! Look at when the majority of these supposed awesome games were...over 15 years ago and when we were in a decent league (not the best bball league) where you had to schedule more of these games! Frankly, considering our conference affiliation during those years, you should have found MORE of these OOC games.
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We have to play all the patsies in the beginning of the year so Mick can say he had another 20+ win season.
 
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