Cronin did say this about Parker, but with Wilks I think he wished he could have redshirted him during his freshman year. Unfortunately Mike Williams got hurt and that forced him to use Wilks. Regardless, I have a hard tim picking a returning player who could be redshirted, unless it was due to injury. Caupain is going to be the starting PG, and KJ played too well at the end of the year to consider redshirting. Shaq is too important to next years success, and Sanders or GG would cost a scholarship for the 2015 class to be considered. So it would have to be an incoming player, and Clark or Moore would be the likely candidates. We will see who else is added to the roster and then get a better idea if anyone will be considered for a redshirt year.
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Cronin did say this about Parker, but with Wilks I think he wished he could have redshirted him during his freshman year. Unfortunately Mike Williams got hurt and that forced him to use Wilks. Regardless, I have a hard tim picking a returning player who could be redshirted, unless it was due to injury. Caupain is going to be the starting PG, and KJ played too well at the end of the year to consider redshirting. Shaq is too important to next years success, and Sanders or GG would cost a scholarship for the 2015 class to be considered. So it would have to be an incoming player, and Clark or Moore would be the likely candidates. We will see who else is added to the roster and then get a better idea if anyone will be considered for a redshirt year.
Patrick Bateman
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Read my post, I stated if we bring in 2 perimeter players there will be an surplus of guards.
How is redshirting KJ ridiculous? It is no more ridiculous than redshirting SK his freshman year when we needed another scoring punch and could have been the difference in making the NCAA tourney.
Like NTS said, Mick wanted to redshirt Parker and didn't. I think that KJ would be a good candidate and think that he could really benefit from it.
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Exactly.
Patrick Bateman
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Ellis and Davis and Mormon are all examples of trying to predict the redshirt is such a crapshoot. We could bring in 2 guards, we could stand pat, someone could get injured in the offseason/preseason/beginning of schedule, someone could not qualify like Strickland, someone may not be happy with p/t, someone may want to transfer closer to home, Mick may go to Marquette. There are so many situations that nobody can predict. All we can do is pure guesswork.
Bearcatboy
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Thanks for that stat I knew I was close.
That is not the point. It is not how or why they redshirted - the fact is that each year a player has been held back and preserved a year of eligibility. Its just the fact that you cannot play 13 players. It is difficult for most teams (not all obviously as i am sure someone will try to find some example of when it worked) to effectively play 10 or 11 legit minutes and have defined roles. By the time the tournament rolls around, nearly every team is only playing 7-8 guys legit minutes. Trying to play too many guys is a waste of their eligibility, especially in a player development program. Someone will redshirt this year. We don't know who it will be and the coaches won't either likely until after the Bahamas trip - but Moore is certainly a prime candidate.
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In mu opinion the only two candidates for redshirts are Clark and Moore. If we have to redshirt one I would go with Clark over Moore simply because Moore is more physically ready. With a redshirt year Clark would be a monster his whole career.
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Neither Clark or Moore will redshirt unless injured. Period. Mick has flat out said he wants 5 big guys and isnt adding anymore in this class. I dont understand how those names continue to get brought up.
again, he said 5 bigs on the roster. not 5 bigs in his rotation. clear distinction there.
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Lawrence is the only big guy with any experience at all, why would we choose to be thin there again? Also, if Clark or Moore had been told they might redshirt, I guarantee you they wouldnt be coming to UC.
Bearcatboy
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You don't tell them before they get here that would be plain stupid but a player can turn down a redshirt.
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Why someone was redshirted IS the point. If someone is saying that someone will be redshirted because Mick always red shirts someone, it absolutely matters WHY they were redshirted. Mick has only voluntarily red shirted one player, SK. He turned out to score over 2,000 points. Seems like the right decision to me. All the others were injury or eligibility related.
None of the players who have redshirted here were told they were going to prior to arriving. After practice starts and it becomes clear who will play and who won't, you pitch the idea to them. If they accept it, they do it. If they don't accept it they fight for minutes and risk losing a year of eligibility. This is exactly what happened with Kilpatrick, and he accepted it. Morman was probably going to redshirt, and during the time he was considering it, he broke his foot and the decision was made for him.
Again, I am not saying Moore will redshirt. I am just saying someone will.
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Right - it has everything to do with the discussion at hand. Obviously someone could break their leg and be redshirted, but that isn't the point of this conversation.
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Morman was also ineligible to start the season. I doubt he would have redshirted had that not been the case (and if he didn't get hurt).
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I'm the one saying someone will redshirt idc if its someone getting hurt, ncaa violation, Mick choosing person. I'm just saying someone will redshirt. Me and dp3113 are saying the same thing.
Bearcatboy
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You and Jason are talking about one thing and dp3113 are talking about another.
This is incorrect. Morman was 100% eligible to start the year.
He played in the exhibition game then sat out the first two or three regular season games while he mulled over whether or not he wanted to redshirt (Mick always says it is ultimately the kids choice).
He was still weighing his decision when he got hurt in practice which made it a no brainer.
Mick wanted to redshirt Morman before he got hurt.
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Correct. FWIW I didn't understand why Mick wanted to redshirt him after saying he was the most ready of the freshman to come in and play D. I know Caupain was needed at pg so that left Mormon and KJ. I'm guessing that since KJ was local that might have played a part. I believe Gaines was a redshirt by Mick's choice as well his freshman year as he wasn't physically ready. My memory could be off on that though.
I have a personal theory too that maybe Mormon is being groomed to be the next Bearcat go-to scorer. My logic, if you can call it that, is that Mick had Vaughn for four years, he redshirted Kilpatrick and got him the next four years, now we see Mormon redshirted and will play the first year post Kilpatrick... I don't really think this is Mick's intentional design as I'm sure he wants all his players to come in and be go-to guys, but just a little thought in my head. Wouldn't it be nice to see Mormon knocking on the 2000 point board in a few years?
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Has Mick come out and said directly that he is going to redshirt someone?
