20-21 thread

[cincyguy13]

Keith is our single most important player at the moment.

After him, at the 2/3 spots we're considering:

-2 true freshmen (Madsen bros)
-1 true sophomore who played 9 min/game (Harvey)
-1 true sophomore who is unproven as a combo guard (MAW)
-1 transfer who is talented but undersized on the wing and may not even be eligible (Dejulius)
-1 true sophomore who played the least of our returning players, is not a natural wing, and is coming off a major injury

Keith provides experience, leadership, athleticism, scoring ability, rebounding ability, defense, and is a reliable FT shooter.

Without him, no matter who his replacement may be, we would be a far less competitive team next season.

As the season looks less and less likely, I think The odds of Keith returning also becomes less and less likely.

 

[sirthought]

As the season looks less and less likely, I think The odds of Keith returning also becomes less and less likely.

Don't you think he'd want to at least return to school and finish his education while he can? It's not like he's going to find more opportunity to support himself with basketball right now. He may as well earn a degree to fall back on.

 

[itsamemario]

As the season looks less and less likely, I think The odds of Keith returning also becomes less and less likely.

Im not seeing it. Europe has a travel ban on US residents. There goes a giant option for him. So now its between the G-League and coming back

 

[cincyguy13]

Don't you think he'd want to at least return to school and finish his education while he can? It's not like he's going to find more opportunity to support himself with basketball right now. He may as well earn a degree to fall back on.

I hope. I’d love him back. He can always finish his education. That’s not something that needs to be done immediately.

 

[sirthought]

I hope. I’d love him back. He can always finish his education. That’s not something that needs to be done immediately.

Yeah normally I'd say go for the cash while the opportunity is there. But right now it isn't there at all.

Guys who are hoping to go pro at lower levels in the next year or two are going to get a shock. NBA is a huge question mark, and they've been one of the smarter groups with all the considerations. Foreign leagues aren't getting any traction and the travel bans make it even harder.

 

[cincyguy13]

Yeah normally I'd say go for the cash while the opportunity is there. But right now it isn't there at all.

Guys who are hoping to go pro at lower levels in the next year or two are going to get a shock. NBA is a huge question mark, and they've been one of the smarter groups with all the considerations. Foreign leagues aren't getting any traction and the travel bans make it even harder.

The college season is also a big question mark. If there isn’t a season, I’m not sure what he gains from coming back. They Might not even be able to practice. Schools starts in August, (next month) and right now that isn’t looking good.

 

[waterhead]

The college season is also a big question mark. If there isn’t a season, I’m not sure what he gains from coming back. They Might not even be able to practice. Schools starts in August, (next month) and right now that isn’t looking good.

It certainly isn't a done deal by any means. What happens if a team or two get struck with the virus and can't even compete? It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. I don't know how many people will sit inside an arena for several hours next to others who could have the virus...mask or not. If the curve doesn't flatten it will be hard to make it happen.

 

[itsamemario]

The college season is also a big question mark. If there isn’t a season, I’m not sure what he gains from coming back. They Might not even be able to practice. Schools starts in August, (next month) and right now that isn’t looking good.

Here is my line of thinking.

We do not know if there will be G-League( Love him, but he isnt playing in the NBA next year if the NBA has a season). He cannot play in Europe as there is a travel ban for an US citizens. So his options are G-League, China?, and College. Yes there is uncertainty with college, BUT even if there is no college season id imagine free room and board would still be here for him. So then you have to think, if there isnt a G-League season, he still needs to eat and live and thats not free. But thats free in college, regardless if there is a season or not

 

[cincyguy13]

Here is my line of thinking.

We do not know if there will be G-League( Love him, but he isnt playing in the NBA next year if the NBA has a season). He cannot play in Europe as there is a travel ban for an US citizens. So his options are G-League, China?, and College. Yes there is uncertainty with college, BUT even if there is no college season id imagine free room and board would still be here for him. So then you have to think, if there isnt a G-League season, he still needs to eat and live and thats not free. But thats free in college, regardless if there is a season or not

I don’t think a free place to stay is the deciding factor in his decision.

Who said there wasn’t going to be an nba/ g league season? They are far more likely to have a season than college in my opinion. G league already doesn’t have fans. Not sure why they can’t have a season if they limit travel. Nba already talked about starting Christmas or later. Nba is the most likely season.

 

[cincyguy13]

It certainly isn't a done deal by any means. What happens if a team or two get struck with the virus and can't even compete? It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. I don't know how many people will sit inside an arena for several hours next to others who could have the virus...mask or not. If the curve doesn't flatten it will be hard to make it happen.

If there is a season, there is zero percent chance there will be a full arena of fans.

 

[sirthought]

The college season is also a big question mark. If there isn’t a season, I’m not sure what he gains from coming back. They Might not even be able to practice. Schools starts in August, (next month) and right now that isn’t looking good.

Seriously? You know people gain knowledge and build skills in college, right? Skills that can help you earn a paycheck later. Williams isn't just an athlete.

If the game gets put on hold you can still be a college student, go to class, and all the rest.

 

[cincyguy13]

Seriously? You know people gain knowledge and build skills in college, right? Skills that can help you earn a paycheck later. Williams isn't just an athlete.

If the game gets put on hold you can still be a college student, go to class, and all the rest.

Seriously? We are talking about basketball on a basketball message board. We are talking about his basketball career. Thanks for telling me he is more than an athlete and about all the things college offers. Get off your high horse

 

[sirthought]

No high horse. It's just common sense about why he'd want to come back.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

The travel ban isnt a hard and fast rule. It is being re-evaluated every 2 weeks.

 

[cincyguy13]

No high horse. It's just common sense about why he'd want to come back.

Not if he wants to achieve his goal of playing basketball professionally. I honestly doubt he is worried about going to class and learning life skills more than figuring out a way to achieve his goal. But maybe he is.

The original point was as the season looks less and less likely, I could see him leaning toward something else.

I hope he comes back and there is a season. I’d love it. Think he will be in the conversation for conference POY. He would also make our team a lot better.

 

[cincyguy13]

The travel ban isnt a hard and fast rule. It is being re-evaluated every 2 weeks.

Yep, and other countries are playing sports already. He could find a place that paid him if he wanted.

 

[itsamemario]

I don’t think a free place to stay is the deciding factor in his decision.

Who said there wasn’t going to be an nba/ g league season? They are far more likely to have a season than college in my opinion. G league already doesn’t have fans. Not sure why they can’t have a season if they limit travel. Nba already talked about starting Christmas or later. Nba is the most likely season.

I didnt explain it very well. We dont know if there will be anything at all next year. If NBA happens, G-League isnt guaranteed. Idk, I know baseball is a shit show right now but im just thinking something similar. Run the big money sport (MLB) and dont do the one that is going to cost more money than make....Idk, just brainstorming.

But lets say keith decides to go G-League and the G-League doesnt happen. He still needs to live somewhere right? And eat and everything else that costs money in the real world. Is G-League going to pay if there is no season?

But if he comes back, regardless of if there is a season or not, how is this hurting him? He lives and eats and gets a the $ hundred or so they get every week, while still getting his degree. I know I know he may NEVER use it if basketball works out. But the uncertainty of not having anything going on should, in my opinion, make that decision very easy for next year.

Im just thinking more along the lines of...We dont know the future at all right now. We dont know if or when or how bad the 2nd wave will be. Or if it comes back even harder in the fall and winter. If that happens, there wont be any sports again.

 

[cincyguy13]

I didnt explain it very well. We dont know if there will be anything at all next year. If NBA happens, G-League isnt guaranteed. Idk, I know baseball is a shit show right now but im just thinking something similar. Run the big money sport (MLB) and dont do the one that is going to cost more money than make....Idk, just brainstorming.

But lets say keith decides to go G-League and the G-League doesnt happen. He still needs to live somewhere right? And eat and everything else that costs money in the real world. Is G-League going to pay if there is no season?

But if he comes back, regardless of if there is a season or not, how is this hurting him? He lives and eats and gets a the $ hundred or so they get every week, while still getting his degree. I know I know he may NEVER use it if basketball works out. But the uncertainty of not having anything going on should, in my opinion, make that decision very easy for next year.

Im just thinking more along the lines of...We dont know the future at all right now. We dont know if or when or how bad the 2nd wave will be. Or if it comes back even harder in the fall and winter. If that happens, there wont be any sports again.

Living arrangements are the least of his worries. He’s 21-22. Worst case he moves back home.

The way it hurts him is, if there isn’t a college season, he gets 1 year older without playing basketball. Which hurts his goal of playing in the nba. You think he wants to live on campus if he isn’t able to play basketball? he didn’t come here for the academics.

If he left, he could sign with an agent and train and get him better prepared to achieve his goal of the nba. Or go play overseas and make money in one of the countries that is playing. Not saying either is right but more why he would choose to leave

 

[cincyguy13]

I didnt explain it very well. We dont know if there will be anything at all next year. If NBA happens, G-League isnt guaranteed. Idk, I know baseball is a shit show right now but im just thinking something similar. Run the big money sport (MLB) and dont do the one that is going to cost more money than make....Idk, just brainstorming.

But lets say keith decides to go G-League and the G-League doesnt happen. He still needs to live somewhere right? And eat and everything else that costs money in the real world. Is G-League going to pay if there is no season?

But if he comes back, regardless of if there is a season or not, how is this hurting him? He lives and eats and gets a the $ hundred or so they get every week, while still getting his degree. I know I know he may NEVER use it if basketball works out. But the uncertainty of not having anything going on should, in my opinion, make that decision very easy for next year.

Im just thinking more along the lines of...We dont know the future at all right now. We dont know if or when or how bad the 2nd wave will be. Or if it comes back even harder in the fall and winter. If that happens, there wont be any sports again.

If he signs a g-league contract, I would think they have to honor that contract and there would be writing in there if there isn’t a season. The nba at the earliest would start Christmas Day, and would most likely start next year. Lot could change by then. I doubt they will not play another season. Eventually these leagues are going to play.

Also, if he signs with an agent, they can pay him until he gets a job. Think your putting too much thought into the living situation.

 

[cincyguy13]

Also, I think these colleges have to find a way to play fball and bball. Financially they can’t miss the whole season. Even if it’s no fans, or 1/3 fans. They need the money. Not sure how the tv contracts pay I’d they don’t play. Even if they have to push both seasons to the start of 2021, I think they will try their hardest to play