WAITE HOYT 2
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Evans and Cumberland more so 6'4-6'5. I like a guy 6'7-6'8 on wing for at least defensive purposes. Seen how we had trouble guarding guys on perimeter all year, we love 3 and D guy.
We had try troy on st joes SF. Not having shaq guarding the 3 killed us in both tournys
How Evans do against Hamilton or guy from st joes?
I said "WE" not winning championships not anybody else. Besides Villanova been playing 3-4 guard lineups past 20yrs. Scott better be a defensive specialistOkay...........
please waite stop telling yourself same lies. College landscape has been the same past 50yrs. The top guns still dominating the game. Mid majors break threw every so often.
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And Xavier gets Goodin at number 9.
Xavier is ranked #9 preseason
UC is ranked #22 preseason
Not Goodin is ranked the #9 best and Cumberland #22 best
I was confused reading through that list at first
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Yea Cumberland ranked 41 best in country
Goodin dropped to 101
That was the final rankings for the class.
They dropped gooden from 79 to 101 and camber from 55 to 41
Goodin dropped to 101
That was the final rankings for the class.
They dropped gooden from 79 to 101 and camber from 55 to 41
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At this point, it's looking like an immediate impact player won't be happening.
Can Washington, Cumberland, Scott, and Brooks replace Ellis, Cobb, Thomas, and DeBerry? On paper, it doesn't look to me like they could. It's a wash at best.
If we're going to finish better than the 4/5 range in the AAC, win an AAC Tournament game (or God forbid, the whole thing), or advance in the NCAA Tournament, what is going to have to happen differently?
Hope Caupain takes better shots and shoots a higher %? Hope Evans becomes a top offensive weapon in the conference? Hope Clark plays the whole season at the same level he was at for a 10-12 game stretch in conference play? How realistic are these things? And say we get the best case scenario player development-wise...where does that put us? What's the ceiling for this group? Is an AAC title and/or AAC Tournament title possible? Or is that just a pipe dream for us fans?
Can Washington, Cumberland, Scott, and Brooks replace Ellis, Cobb, Thomas, and DeBerry? On paper, it doesn't look to me like they could. It's a wash at best.
If we're going to finish better than the 4/5 range in the AAC, win an AAC Tournament game (or God forbid, the whole thing), or advance in the NCAA Tournament, what is going to have to happen differently?
Hope Caupain takes better shots and shoots a higher %? Hope Evans becomes a top offensive weapon in the conference? Hope Clark plays the whole season at the same level he was at for a 10-12 game stretch in conference play? How realistic are these things? And say we get the best case scenario player development-wise...where does that put us? What's the ceiling for this group? Is an AAC title and/or AAC Tournament title possible? Or is that just a pipe dream for us fans?
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A pipe dream I fear.
Thats basically how you have to look at it at this point.
Cobb out. You get a more experienced Troy, KJ and Jenifer(who you have to believe will help out more and could push troy off the ball for a few minutes a game. Then you also get cumberland, who we dont know what to expect, but have to assume he will be productive judging by his talent and work ethic.
Shaq out. You get a more experienced Evans who held his own as a freshmen. Again, you have to assume his usage and shot % is only going to increase. You also possibly have Cumberland,KJ,Troy here depending on if our lineup goes small with JJ at the point for a few minutes(this again all depends on how much JJ has improved, but without getting a PG to help this year, they have to have some faith in JJ to play quality minutes)
Ellis out. You have Washington, who went against Ellis every day in practice last year. He played well in the ACC and had a year off to work on every part of his game and his body. He has a better jump shot than Ellis which will make the D have to guard all 5 guys away from the basket opening up driving lanes and spacing. You also have Quad, who you dont really know what you will get, but another year with the program and another off season training schedule can only help him. You can also see Clark getting some minutes at the 5 in a smaller lineup where Scott or Evans get some minutes at the 4.
Deberry. Deberry was good, on offense. His D really hurt, which affected his playing time. To replace deberry, you have the possiblity of Brooks. Also Washington, a hopefully more improved Moore and then again going small with hopefully a much improved Gary Clark.
I feel we are in better shape than I originally believed
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Agreed.
Also having two bigs who can hit jump shots is going to be a different dynamic.
Let's face it too.. As much as I love Ellis as a player, he underperformed for a good bulk of the season, especially on offense when he was missing bunny shots and he doesn't have a jump shot so he just took up space offensively down low and it clogged the lanes.
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I think this will be Mick's most offensively talented team he's ever had. Depth will be a concern closer to March. Rehfeldt will have his work cut out for him this year with Clark, Washington, Evans and Caupain playing some serious minutes. I can't wait to see what Troy does this year. I expect him to attack, hit a higher % of his shots and come up big in those close games. We're set at the 2 with KJ and Cumberland. Rotate those guys based off offensive and defensive need. I hope KJ can be what JaQuon Parker was for us. I doubt he can rebound like Parker, but doing the little things, hitting open 3s and playing D on the other team's best guard. Evans is going to get his and I love what he brings. He's already better offensively than Shaq ever was. The question is can he play D, and still have fresh legs to get those mid range jumpers off that he's so good at. Cumberland could always play the 2 and the 3 if needed. The guy is built like a college player already. Clark might be our best player. I'm hoping he continues to work hard and improve. Washington is going to be a beast for 2 years. I cannot wait to see this guy in action with Clark in the post!
After those 6 key contributors, who is going to step up? What will Jenifer, Quadri, Scott and Brooks do for us? If Justin Jenifer can play with Caupain and Evans like he did early in the year last season I would feel so much better about this team. The other side is when Washington and Clark get in foul trouble. Who is going to step up and not cost us the game. Quadri has the experience and needs to learn how to play D. We've heard Tre Scott is a phenomenal passer. Flash him to the free throw line and feed guys off screens to the basket.
After those 6 key contributors, who is going to step up? What will Jenifer, Quadri, Scott and Brooks do for us? If Justin Jenifer can play with Caupain and Evans like he did early in the year last season I would feel so much better about this team. The other side is when Washington and Clark get in foul trouble. Who is going to step up and not cost us the game. Quadri has the experience and needs to learn how to play D. We've heard Tre Scott is a phenomenal passer. Flash him to the free throw line and feed guys off screens to the basket.
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I could go on and on about expectations and ceiling, but I'll try to keep it relatively brief.
I expect Caupain to increase his percentages. He's always had better %s than last year, so I'm guessing it was a little bit of a fluke. I also think he wasn't very picky with his shooting last year, causing him to shoot shots he had a lower chance at making. He needs to be more picky, at least in terms of 3-pointers and jumpers. It honestly kind of reminds me of SK...had great frosh/soph years, got mildly cocky and started kind of just firing away junior year and the percentages suffered due to poor shot selection. I'm hoping he's having a busy offseason, because I'd kill to see him come anywhere near what SK did his senior year. You can push harder offensively and take more shots, but they need to be smart ones. I think SK learned that senior year. Troy may need to cut down on his 3 point attempts if he isn't getting very open looks. Drive more if need be. Just take smarter shots, basically.
I expect Evans to get more consistent with his shot as well, causing a slight percentage spike. He was very streaky, and I think that starts to sort of go away as you get more experience and mature. Will be interesting to see what his shot selection is like. We shall see.
Gary needs to return to "first half of the season" Gary. The injury very clearly effected his play down the stretch. Him being back at full strength is a huge key.
If these 3 happen, and the rest of the team plays relatively average/as expected, we could win the league and wind up ranked around 15 or so, IMO. The 3 players I discussed should be our major contributors. If they're doing what they need to be doing, we will be just fine. Depth is still a concern, but it's something that can be overcame. If only 1 or 2 of the things I mentioned above happen, expect another 22-11 season with an 8-10 seed.
I expect Caupain to increase his percentages. He's always had better %s than last year, so I'm guessing it was a little bit of a fluke. I also think he wasn't very picky with his shooting last year, causing him to shoot shots he had a lower chance at making. He needs to be more picky, at least in terms of 3-pointers and jumpers. It honestly kind of reminds me of SK...had great frosh/soph years, got mildly cocky and started kind of just firing away junior year and the percentages suffered due to poor shot selection. I'm hoping he's having a busy offseason, because I'd kill to see him come anywhere near what SK did his senior year. You can push harder offensively and take more shots, but they need to be smart ones. I think SK learned that senior year. Troy may need to cut down on his 3 point attempts if he isn't getting very open looks. Drive more if need be. Just take smarter shots, basically.
I expect Evans to get more consistent with his shot as well, causing a slight percentage spike. He was very streaky, and I think that starts to sort of go away as you get more experience and mature. Will be interesting to see what his shot selection is like. We shall see.
Gary needs to return to "first half of the season" Gary. The injury very clearly effected his play down the stretch. Him being back at full strength is a huge key.
If these 3 happen, and the rest of the team plays relatively average/as expected, we could win the league and wind up ranked around 15 or so, IMO. The 3 players I discussed should be our major contributors. If they're doing what they need to be doing, we will be just fine. Depth is still a concern, but it's something that can be overcame. If only 1 or 2 of the things I mentioned above happen, expect another 22-11 season with an 8-10 seed.
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A pipe Dream???
We were 12-6 in the league. 2 games out of first.
We were beaten by the eventual conference Tourney Champion on a 3/4 of the length shot. Do you really doubt we would have won the tourney had we got by UCONN? At the least we stood a great chance to win it.
Our team lost some pieces but with what we having coming back is very good. Evans will be improved. Cumberland is a top 50 recruit. Washington and Scott will be upgrades over Shaq and Ellis . It is not unreasonable to expect some quality minutes from JJ.
And hopefully we won't have injuries to Clark, Shaq and Cobb to navigate through we should be a better team.
We were a sprained ankle and a 3/4 length shot away from advancing in both tourneys. Do you really believe we wouldn't have beaten St. Joe's with a healthy Clark. I can't believe we will not reverse some of the tough losses we had last year. This is a good team. Maybe not Kentucky or Duke good but a good team. Having a better season then last is far from a pipe dream.
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Not sure we can say that Washington and Scott are an upgrade over Ellis and Thomas. I hope they are, but I just have to see it first. Thomas was a starter, while Scott had to redshirt bc he wouldn't have seen the floor. Ellis may have been disappointing based on his 1st team AAC Preseason expectation, but he'll be greatly missed. Washington transferred bc he lost his starting job on a bubble team that we beat the crap out of...obviously it helps that he's had a year in the program, but again, I'm going to have to see it to believe it.
Cumberland might be an upgrade over Cobb in the long run, but Cobb was a double digit scoring, 40% 3 pt shooter. His knock was his defense, but I know people have expressed similar concerns with Cumberland next year.
Do I believe we would've won against St. Joe's with Clark at 100%? Probably. But even that would've only put us in the round of 32 vs the 1 seed. Far from major March success.
The reason I asked these questions is to point out how far we still have to go. Even if the new guys produce exactly what the guys they are replacing did, that still doesn't elevate us to any new heights. So it's going to have to come from the guys we've already seen. I'm hopeful they improve, but skeptical at the same time. It's easy to think of the Evans of the St. Joe's game and roll with the idea that we will being seeing that player night in, night out. But I don't think we can completely overlook the fact that he was a 37% shooter overall. On paper Kevin Johnson will be a tough senior who does all the little things we need. But we can't simply overloik the fact that his career PER is about as low as any Bearcat to ever get so much regular playing time. It's easy to bump up Caupain's shooting % on paper to what we want it to be, but we can't overlook the idea that it's low bc he takes shots that the numbers show don't lead to efficiency.
The 3/4 court shot against UConn sucks, but we can't overlook that we completely refused 3 opportunities in the game to go for a 2 for 1 at the end of the half/OT. And that's not even mentioning the fact that winning that game would've only been 1/3 of what's necessary to win the Conference Tournament. There are little things that go into "making your own luck" and in some situations we refuse to help ourselves. Things won't magically start bouncing our way. We need to be in the position to make these kind of things happen for us. Yes, the shot itself was unlucky for us. But at the end of the day, every loser has a story.
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Any summer updates from Rehfeldt? Anyone up or down any weight?
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He has posted a few things but nothing crazy. Best thing I have seen was the players working out in the sand pit and Troy and Gary "racing" in some kind of drill similar to giant tire flipping. I def recommend following him on twitter and Instagram, he posts regular.
