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That's fine...I just don't think we pass them up with our performance against UCF and ECU. Those aren't the type of performances that inspire voters to move us past other teams that also didn't lose.

I’m just saying if mich state is ranked higher, it’s not because they deserve it’s because they are nationally respected
 
they also have 3 top 40 kenpom wins to our 1. i'd take 3 top 40 wins and 5 top 100 wins over 1 top 40 win and 6 top 100 wins.

Dude you’d take any team that doesn’t have cincinnati on their chest. Your post are always trying to discredit UC.

They have 1 tier 1 kenpom win

We have 1 as well

We have 3 top 100 road wins. They have zero


I’ll take UC’s Resume
 
Dude you’d take any team that doesn’t have cincinnati on their chest. Your post are always trying to discredit UC.

They have 1 tier 1 kenpom win

We have 1 as well

We have 3 top 100 road wins. They have zero


I’ll take UC’s Resume



look if you want to trade road wins over ucf and temple for a win over UNC on a neutral court then be my guest.


our wins currently are over 32, 59a, 71n, 82, 91a, 93a.


their wins are 8n, 31, 38, 67, 97



don't think its outside the realm of possibility to think the committee would rather see the 2nd group of wins over the first. very easy to see a committee member saying "well msu has 3 wins over tournament teams, UC has 1."


but you know its probably just my uc hatred that sees that :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
not to mention msu's bracket matrix average seed is 3.62 to our 4.53. but again its probably just because i hate UC that i think MSU would undoubtedly get a better seed than us if the tournament started tomorrow.
 
AP voting and the NCAA tournament committee are two different things. You don't need a good resume be ranked high.
 
not to mention msu's bracket matrix average seed is 3.62 to our 4.53. but again its probably just because i hate UC that i think MSU would undoubtedly get a better seed than us if the tournament started tomorrow.

Im saying there is clear bias towards a high major team like Mich State who has played just 2 true road games all year and has not looked good in the last month.


I base my rankings off of how much your winning, and if your looking like a hot team. Mich state looks to have cooled way off and doesn't have the backend resume to keep them extremely high in the polls.

Add in that they lost AT FRICKIN HOME. You won't get much respect from me when you lose at home by double digits.

I mean, They've lost 2 out of their last 5 and 1 was at home to Michigan who then followed up their next week by losing by 20 to Nebraska.

Im not crazy for not believing in this Mich state team. And were on a 10 game winning streak and continue to win, no matter how ugly, We deserve credit for that.
 
If you want to go on record saying a team who lost by 10 at home and hasnt looked good in weeks is hotter than UC , then be my guest, but if they weren't "Michigan state" and were another team, people wouldn't feel the same way. The Bias is real.

People are selling all their WSU stock because they lost 2 in a row and they will have a hard time getting back in the top 10 but Michigan state, because of their coach and their name and their big name players, they are allowed to have ultra shitty performances and be given a huge grace period and can get right back in the top 10.

Its stupid.
 
That's fine...I just don't think we pass them up with our performance against UCF and ECU. Those aren't the type of performances that inspire voters to move us past other teams that also didn't lose.

Didn't we beat ECU by 26 and at UCF by 11? How much are we supposed to win by to inspire confidence? I would not call either of these wins all that "ugly."
 
Im not crazy for not believing in this Mich state team. And were on a 10 game winning streak and continue to win, no matter how ugly, We deserve credit for that.


we do, but one could argue that based on kenpom, sagarin, bpi, that both of us are underrated in the polls. somehow msu manages to be #5 in all 3 of those.
 
ITT we've confirmed that if you disagree with someone you hate our university.

Cincrulz11 is far and away from a negative poster and adds a lot of positive stuff to the board. Him and sedz are probably two of my favorites to read.

And you're a great poster too Justin. And I appreciate what you add here. But it really feels like whenever someone disagrees with you, it just turns into a "they hate UC" or " they hate Mick" or some other form of "not a true fan".

I like you Justin. We agree on 95% of stuff. But chill on the UC hatred accusations stuff, or trust Mick he knows more blah blah.
 
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Didn't we beat ECU by 26 and at UCF by 11? How much are we supposed to win by to inspire confidence? I would not call either of these wins all that "ugly."


the ecu game wasn't very good on our end and we didn't cover the spread on kenpom (not that its a big deal, we just didn't have a great game).


anybody that actually watched the UCF game would likely have a bad taste in their mouth. the first half was probably enough for an outsider to turn the channel so they might not have even watched our much better 2nd half.



the truth is i don't think anybody outside of us care if we beat ecu or ucf by 50. justin is dead on with his point on that crap. most voters probably don't even know if taylor played vs us or with his current injury if Tacko played vs us.
 
I think we are splitting hairs here over MSU and UC. There are 12 games left to play and a lot is going to happen. I would be fine with an AP around #9 right now. I don't think we will need to split hairs over MSU when the time comes.

We have very little room for error for a protected seed and we now have a target on our back for every conference game since we are the clear #1 now. We are going to have to turn it up a notch if we want a protected seed.

One clear way (IMO) we can turn it up a notch is to get Cane in there for more minutes and/or starting games. We are going to need all the talent we can have on the floor to get the job done. I think we are starting to see that trend but we can't afford to lose a close one because we got off to a slow start...especially on the road. The longer we let another team or their fans believe they can maybe win the better their chances at pulling off an upset.
 
Didn't we beat ECU by 26 and at UCF by 11? How much are we supposed to win by to inspire confidence? I would not call either of these wins all that "ugly."

Scoring 49 points sends up some red flags to voters I think. If that game was won by the same margin but we scored 69 instead of 49...I don't think any red flags would go up.

I am just happy winning games. If we move up a little each week we will get where we want to be. I was just saying neither of those games are cause for voters to push UC past another team that also didn't lose.
 
I think we are splitting hairs here over MSU and UC.
It's what we do!

I agree with justin that Mich St is looking very weak right now in comparison to other top 10 teams. In addition to the 2 losses in the past 4 that he points out, they also needed overtime to beat Rutgers at home. Since the Big Ten is weak, they don't have many more opportunities left for high profile wins (at Maryland and home vs Purdue are about it). The UNC win is definitely nice, but they can't afford to slip up much more if they want to stay top 10.
 
Scoring 49 points sends up some red flags to voters I think. If that game was won by the same margin but we scored 69 instead of 49...I don't think any red flags would go up.

I am just happy winning games. If we move up a little each week we will get where we want to be. I was just saying neither of those games are cause for voters to push UC past another team that also didn't lose.

Probably true. I just think we look at these games closer then others. I watched both games. We played like doggy doo for most of the ECU game but the final score did not indicate it (except to those that knew both teams). Holding a team to 38 is more impressive then holding a crappy UCF offense to 58 but again the voters probably dont get that...
 
ITT we've confirmed that if you disagree with someone you hate our university.

Cincrulz11 is far and away from a negative poster and adds a lot of positive stuff to the board. Him and sedz are probably two of my favorites to read.

And you're a great poster too Justin. And I appreciate what you add here. But it really feels like whenever someone disagrees with you, it just turns into a "they hate UC" or " they hate Mick" or some other form of "not a true fan".

I like you Justin. We agree on 95% of stuff. But chill on the UC hatred accusations stuff, or trust Mick he knows more blah blah.

I don't know what a true fan is.


But I just notice that "fans" are never happy when were good and always pissed when we're bad. Its something I'm always confused by. Fans love misery and maybe Im just not a good fan myself. I prefer to be a realist but lean towards towards optimism at times and I feel the takes on this board are just outrageous sometimes.

I personally was upset with multiple things about UC. I thought on court chemistry wasn't so good to start the year and I was obviously super pissed off at the schedule and I pretty much took a minority stance on it being a whack ass schedule that didn't set us up for success.

But I can tell you this; its hard to sell optimism on this team. Someone will always find a way to turn a 10 win streak into panic mode.

I just listened to "Bearcats Blog" podcast where the 2 hosts literally talked about UC's basketball team as if we just lost 3 in a row or something. As if UC should hang up their jerseys and call it quits because its the same old bearcats. I just read through a reddit post where every UC fan on reddit bitched about the ECU game and talked about the good old days of Hugs. I see it on bearcat Journal and I see it on twitter. And it just boggles my mind how some people love misery over success.

There are a lot of programs across the country who would love to be in our shoes. Were one tourney run from being a nationally respected powerhouse.


So yea, I don't question anyones fandom. But Ill admit I don't understand everyones.
 
Splitting Hairs between between Mich State and UC is exactly what we are doing.


I chose to reward the team who's won 10 straight (winning is the name of the game right?) vs rewarding the team with a higher ceiling but who also lost 2 of its last 4 games including a 10 point loss to a very inconsistent Michigan team.

Im 90% sure the AP won't vote the same way as me. But i'd almost say I watch and analyze more college basketball then a good chunk of those AP voters.

I've never given UC any bias in my poll. and punished them pretty hard when they lost 2 in a row. But I will not shy away from awarding winners
 
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