Analyzing the job Mick has done

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I think Mick has approached recruiting with the thought that athletes with potential give him a better shot of winning in the Big East than some non-athletes with better fundamentals. Maybe not the approach everyone would make, but for the most part that strategy has worked. We are abysmal as of late and the players lack of fundamentals and basketball smarts is killing us right now. But we have competed at a high level in the best basketball conference for at least the last four years. I still don't understand everyone's gripe on recruiting. No name coaches on losing teams don't bring in high-caliber recruits, especially without taking chances on them or taking partial-qualifiers. He took a chance on Lance and that didn't work out. I don't think he wants to make a habit of that. I think the original grade of B+ to start this thread is the grade I would give him as well. He has built the program up and gotten better each year until this year. Teams have down years. Some coaches as good as they are miraculously don't have the same results every year. We could and do go on for pages and pages as to why this team is losing. Good coaches have losing years. Players give up or are boneheaded or are dumb no matter how good the coach is and sometimes that affects what happens on a court. One thing you can't question is this team is giving it 100% on the court and that's alot of what you can ask for from a coach. The talent on this team is getting beat right now. We can't make shots, we have zero inside game which makes it harder to make shots and even worse its in our heads. I'll agree that we could use a better offensive mind out there, but I think alot of this team's woes as far as flow of the game fall squarely on the shoulder's of Cash and the lack of a competent big man. He just clearly doesn't have what it takes to run an offense. If your pg can't facilitate and if you don't have a big that can both catch a ball and make a shot within three feet then your only option is to take jump shots and more than likely contested jump shots. If any of us really believe that Mick sits in practice and tells one guy to dribble and then pass it sideways to another guy and repeat for 30 seconds and whoever ends up with the ball shoot from far away then I don't know what to say to you. They are winning (save the last month) and getting better and better recruits. With better recruits comes better play, at least in theory. We will see. I still think we are lucky to have Cronin as a coach because he is in it for the long haul. Do I think he's the best coach out there? No. Do I think he will get better and learn from what hasn't worked? Yes.
 
I rather lose on a 90 foot buzzer beater in the play-in game of the NCAA tournament than play in the NIT.

Would rather watch us make a long run in the NIT than go 1 and out in the NCAA. Love watching my Cats too much. Give me 6 more games to cheer my boys on instead of 1 each and every time.The above reminds me of my daughter's old mentality. She would rather go out wearing a pair of expensive jeans because of the tag, while I can buy 3 pairs of generics which will last her years. So again, do we want to watch 6 games or 1?
 
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crean was a "big name" coach. iu wouldn't have hired him if he name didn't open eyes. crean had a great run at marquette and made hisself a "name" for many coaching openings throughout the country.

After his final 4, he had 2 NITs and 3 early round losses in NCAA. His star had faded substantially. He was a Conf. USA coach (with a year or so in BE)....far from a big name, but we'll agree to disagree.
 
Would rather watch us make a long run in the NIT than go 1 and out in the NCAA. Love watching my Cats too much. Give me 6 more games to cheer my boys on instead of 1 each and every time.The above reminds me of my daughter's old mentality. She would rather go out wearing a pair of expensive jeans because of the tag, while I can buy 3 pairs of generics which will last her years. So again, do we want to watch 6 games or 1?

I'm with you, bearcat1962. Not my opinion in the beginning of the season, but at this stage - yes.
 
After his final 4, he had 2 NITs and 3 early round losses in NCAA. His star had faded substantially. He was a Conf. USA coach (with a year or so in BE)....far from a big name, but we'll agree to disagree.

Correct me if I am wrong but was not Huggins, Pitino, Calipari, Lutz, and Creane all in Conf. USA at one time? It was a pretty damned good basketball conference if I remember right. Seems people on here love to dog that conference for some reason but it brought a lot of great basketball and memories to our city for many years. I remember the brutal rivalry we had with NC/Charlotte the most. Who is our cut throat rival now? The big east was fun and we saw some great teams, but stop knocking a great conference when it did so much to bring basketball fans back to the arena.
 
Would rather watch us make a long run in the NIT than go 1 and out in the NCAA. Love watching my Cats too much. Give me 6 more games to cheer my boys on instead of 1 each and every time.The above reminds me of my daughter's old mentality. She would rather go out wearing a pair of expensive jeans because of the tag, while I can buy 3 pairs of generics which will last her years. So again, do we want to watch 6 games or 1?

I rather watch the Cats play in the NCAA tournament. You have no chance to win the National Championship playing in the NIT.
 
I rather watch the Cats play in the NCAA tournament. You have no chance to win the National Championship playing in the NIT.

And we have 1 now? We have to accept what this year's team is. Never put a pick up truck in a Formula race, as my father use to say.Take it fishing. More fun and you won't spend 3 hours being laughed at.
 
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Every teams goal is the NCAA. This is not even a debate. Recruits come to schools because they consistently make the NCAA. No recruit has ever said, "I wanna play for South Carolina. They won the NIT." It doesn't matter if you play 1 game or 6, the world is watching and the possibilities are endless. We see it every year. A team nobody noticed or one that everyone had dismissed, making a run to the Sweet 16, Elite 8, or Final 4. UC with it's defense and rebounding has a chance to be a surprise team that does that. If they can hit a stretch of 2-3 games in a row where they're shooting well they can beat any team in the field this year (andd naysayers I know if they don't they could lose to anybody). It may not happen but it is not out of the realm of possibility. It's that possibility that makes the NCAA Tournament special!
 
Or we can sit and watch everyone else play games while are Cats are back in Clifton after 1 game.

I'll take that chance. The goal of the season isn't to get in as many games as possible, it's to win the conference and national championship.
 
mick cant do much more i think we forget its the players job to execute and they often look confused. IDK if anyone else saw a particular UC timeout where they zoomed in on mick and you could read his lips saying "what do you guys want me to do? I cant make you play hard". To me that screams that this team doesnt enjoy playing together which mick has little control over.
 
mick cant do much more i think we forget its the players job to execute and they often look confused. IDK if anyone else saw a particular UC timeout where they zoomed in on mick and you could read his lips saying "what do you guys want me to do? I cant make you play hard". To me that screams that this team doesnt enjoy playing together which mick has little control over.

Mick has done all he can. He has worked tirelessly to end this skid. It's up to the players to start trusting each other and hit their open looks
 
Mick recruited these players who can't shoot, won't listen, etc. He ultimately is responsible. Between Kelvin Gaines, Justin Jackson, Titus Rubles, and Cheikh Mbodj, we arguably have 4 of the worst shooters in the history of college basketball. That is causing teams to focus more pressure on our three offensive players...Wright, Parker and Kilpatrick...ultimately rendering them less effective. It's all on Mick. Until we get an inside game, or at least go inside occasionally with the ball, nothing will get better. Three can't play against five! Lawrence and Strickland can't get here fast enough. Hopefully they aren't more of the same!
 
Every teams goal is the NCAA. This is not even a debate. Recruits come to schools because they consistently make the NCAA. No recruit has ever said, "I wanna play for South Carolina. They won the NIT." It doesn't matter if you play 1 game or 6, the world is watching and the possibilities are endless. We see it every year. A team nobody noticed or one that everyone had dismissed, making a run to the Sweet 16, Elite 8, or Final 4. UC with it's defense and rebounding has a chance to be a surprise team that does that. If they can hit a stretch of 2-3 games in a row where they're shooting well they can beat any team in the field this year (andd naysayers I know if they don't they could lose to anybody). It may not happen but it is not out of the realm of possibility. It's that possibility that makes the NCAA Tournament special!

Exactly. I predicted a sweet sixteen run. It always seems a team backs into the tournament and all of sudden wakes up. Why not us?

As far as NIT versus NCAA, there's nothing like selection Sunday hearing your team's name get called. Even if you know they are a lock to get in. Immediately, you start breaking down the opening matchup and the path to the Final Four. Every team has a chance and hope that you can get hot and pull of a Butler or George Mason type of run. I'll take that hope and excitement over the NIT any day.
 
Every teams goal is the NCAA. This is not even a debate. Recruits come to schools because they consistently make the NCAA. No recruit has ever said, "I wanna play for South Carolina. They won the NIT." It doesn't matter if you play 1 game or 6, the world is watching and the possibilities are endless. We see it every year. A team nobody noticed or one that everyone had dismissed, making a run to the Sweet 16, Elite 8, or Final 4. UC with it's defense and rebounding has a chance to be a surprise team that does that. If they can hit a stretch of 2-3 games in a row where they're shooting well they can beat any team in the field this year (andd naysayers I know if they don't they could lose to anybody). It may not happen but it is not out of the realm of possibility. It's that possibility that makes the NCAA Tournament special!

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/ncaa-tournament/history/finalfourseeds
 
If you would rather UC go far in the NIT vs an early exit from the NCAA, then why do you complain about the job Cronin is doing? Shouldn't you rather his team be subpar so they can make it to the NIT? I'm assuming you are rooting for them to lose to USF if you want them in the NIT. Wouldn't make sense otherwise.

Not the case. I'm strictly talking present circumstances. I'd love to see UC win the NCAA, but let's be realistic. The professional bookies in Vegas have UC winning the whole thing at 500/1. It's unfortunate but it's reality. I want them to win as much as you do, but I'm sure not betting on that. (That's a hypothetical) I NEVER root vs them or want them to lose. It frustrates the hell out of me to see them play mediocre, and it still falls on Cronin. If the team flounders, it all falls on the coach. If a business fails, do you think they blame the workers or the management? Let's take one game at a time. First we have to get by USF and then play the BE tournament.
Nobody aspires to go to the NIT. But sometimes the NIT is the only inevitability. If they don't like it, they can always turn down the bid - it's their option.
 
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