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I don't disagree with any of that. My point solely was comparing Micks success vs. X vs. Past coaches isn't fair.

As an example and I don't know this to be 100 percent true, but if Tuberville beats Miami this year I'd venture to guess he'd be the first coach to bring home four straight victory bells.....

It's no secret that I am not a Cronin fan. It's just my feeling that a good coach would have never allowed Xavier to knock us off the pedestal. They haven't just passed us by, they're leaving us in the dust and he seems to be clueless on how to stop them. They recruit athletes and develop them to play a style that is foreign to us. We recruit players and play a style that is foreign to the rest of the country. We want that tough, hard-nosed defensive reputation to be what we are known for. Unfortunately, that style of play doesn't win in March. Xavier plays to win. We play not to lose.
 
It's no secret that I am not a Cronin fan. It's just my feeling that a good coach would have never allowed Xavier to knock us off the pedestal. They haven't just passed us by, they're leaving us in the dust and he seems to be clueless on how to stop them. They recruit athletes and develop them to play a style that is foreign to us. We recruit players and play a style that is foreign to the rest of the country. We want that tough, hard-nosed defensive reputation to be what we are known for. Unfortunately, that style of play doesn't win in March. Xavier plays to win. We play not to lose.

I can not argue that X has been a better program then us the last 10 years. You just have to look at the results to figure that out.

My issue is you want to leave it up to the same people who gave us this Coach to find a replacement capable of giving us more then he is giving us. As two of the oldest posters on here who remember the years between Jucker and Huggins It makes me nervous. L_T this group had him gone and did everything they could to keep him. They pay him 2.3 mil a year for what you consider to be sub standard performance. In a time when donations are huge. Many schools would love to be in the dance every year and win 20 games. That is not run of the mill performance. I share your frustration with his downplaying the X game. I would like to win more in March. Owning your city should be of paramount importance. I just do not want to go back to the Yates years. My hope is with upgrades in conference and arena along with more revenue he can build on what he has started. He will not be leaving anytime soon. If that was in the cards they would have let him go to Vegas. The alternative is we are really bad the next couple of years. I don't want that either. So I guess I'm stuck with the lesser of two evils. Hope Mick wins and elevates the program or watch losing basketball for a couple of years and then sweat out the hiring process run by the same group of hope the same morons who handled the Huggins fiasco and hired Mick and kept him employed for more then 10 years.
 
I can not argue that X has been a better program then us the last 10 years. You just have to look at the results to figure that out.

My issue is you want to leave it up to the same people who gave us this Coach to find a replacement capable of giving us more then he is giving us. As two of the oldest posters on here who remember the years between Jucker and Huggins It makes me nervous. L_T this group had him gone and did everything they could to keep him. They pay him 2.3 mil a year for what you consider to be sub standard performance. In a time when donations are huge. Many schools would love to be in the dance every year and win 20 games. That is not run of the mill performance. I share your frustration with his downplaying the X game. I would like to win more in March. Owning your city should be of paramount importance. I just do not want to go back to the Yates years. My hope is with upgrades in conference and arena along with more revenue he can build on what he has started. He will not be leaving anytime soon. If that was in the cards they would have let him go to Vegas. The alternative is we are really bad the next couple of years. I don't want that either. So I guess I'm stuck with the lesser of two evils. Hope Mick wins and elevates the program or watch losing basketball for a couple of years and then sweat out the hiring process run by the same group of hope the same morons who handled the Huggins fiasco and hired Mick and kept him employed for more then 10 years.

Winning 20 games isn't what it used to be. You can finish a season at 20-13 with the number of games we play these days. Considering at least the first 4 or 5, and usually a couple of the other non-conference games are glorified exhibitions, and we play in the AAC for 18 games, I think 25 wins should be the benchmark.
 
Winning 20 games isn't what it used to be. You can finish a season at 20-13 with the number of games we play these days. Considering at least the first 4 or 5, and usually a couple of the other non-conference games are glorified exhibitions, and we play in the AAC for 18 games, I think 25 wins should be the benchmark.
I'm fine setting the bar at 25. But here is the issue you are not getting in the NCAA tourney at 20-13 in our league without winning the conference tourney. He has made the field 6 straight years and counting. What he is providing and provided is not garbage. Again I'm fine wanting more but lets keep things in prospective. Someone on the BOT thinks he is doing a good job or we would have a new coach by now. As I mentioned those people would be making the decision on who is the new hire. I'm old enough to remember how long it took to get to Huggins.
 
Winning 20 games isn't what it used to be. You can finish a season at 20-13 with the number of games we play these days. Considering at least the first 4 or 5, and usually a couple of the other non-conference games are glorified exhibitions, and we play in the AAC for 18 games, I think 25 wins should be the benchmark.
In a 31 game season with 5-7 cupcakes OOC and in our league probably 3-5 more in conference, means finishing 20-11 is basically the equivalent of a .500 record.
 
Mick is not a bad coach by any means. He certainly has us slotted in an area that insures that we are still playing important games in March. I just think our university should expect better than that. For most of the 350 Division 1 universities, his performance would work. Based on our history, I think we're one of the schools that can reasonably expect better. And, don't think I am referring to March Tradition only. We have not had the greatest March results in recent history, even during Huggs. But, we were attracting top recruits, top rankings, national interest, winning league and tournament championships, and owning our city....in spite of less than epic NCAA performance. Nothing about our program and facilities says all of that shouldn't still be the norm here. Unfortunately, none of it exists under this coach.
 
Mick is not a bad coach by any means. He certainly has us slotted in an area that insures that we are still playing important games in March. I just think our university should expect better than that. For most of the 350 Division 1 universities, his performance would work. Based on our history, I think we're one of the schools that can reasonably expect better. And, don't think I am referring to March Tradition only. We have not had the greatest March results in recent history, even during Huggs. But, we were attracting top recruits, top rankings, national interest, winning league and tournament championships, and owning our city....in spite of less than epic NCAA performance. Nothing about our program and facilities says all of that shouldn't still be the norm here. Unfortunately, none of it exists under this coach.
Not saying he doesn't have work to do. A good start would be beating X this year.

You know thinking this thing through a bit. If the board is unable or unwilling to upset the apple cart with coaching decisions at this time, the stability of the program may in fact be a key ingredient in our trying to sell ourselves to the Big 12. Micks accomplishments while leaving many fans wanting more may look very good to other schools or board members. There could be a method to their madness. I don't think factoring our history plays better then our recent accomplishments or our TV market when it comes to getting in the Big 12. It could explain their unwillingness to consider changes at this time.
 
Not saying he doesn't have work to do. A good start would be beating X this year.

You know thinking this thing through a bit. If the board is unable or unwilling to upset the apple cart with coaching decisions at this time, the stability of the program may in fact be a key ingredient in our trying to sell ourselves to the Big 12. Micks accomplishments while leaving many fans wanting more may look very good to other schools or board members. There could be a method to their madness. I don't think factoring our history plays better then our recent accomplishments or our TV market when it comes to getting in the Big 12. It could explain their unwillingness to consider changes at this time.

You could be right. I can't figure it out. The easiest of all worlds would be for him to figure things out and start getting the recruits that would take us to the next level. After trying for ten years, I don't see that getting any better. I don't like coaching changes either, but at some point, enough is enough. We can't spend like drunken sailors upgrading our facilities without expecting on the court results to also get better. Since the Sweet 16, we're not getting better.
 
Mick is tapped out. Doesn't care about winning championship only having a solid well run program. Mick saying he doesn't care about X and Tubbs punting last year in that game is enough for me. Sports are to be played for championship nothing else. Need some new young blood. Mick got old and tired real quick
 
You could be right. I can't figure it out. The easiest of all worlds would be for him to figure things out and start getting the recruits that would take us to the next level. After trying for ten years, I don't see that getting any better. I don't like coaching changes either, but at some point, enough is enough. We can't spend like drunken sailors upgrading our facilities without expecting on the court results to also get better. Since the Sweet 16, we're not getting better.
I agree with you. But dominating the Big 12 will not be easy. Would what he is accomplishing in the ACC, record and tourney appearances be acceptable in the Big 12??? Much better competition. Like you the easiest and safest solution would be for him to elevate the program. He really is not that far off. The next two years should be good years with the potential to be very good seasons.
 
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I agree with you. But dominating the Big 12 will not be easy. Would what he is accomplishing in the ACC, record and tourney appearances be acceptable in the Big 12??? Much better competition. Like you the easiest and safest solution would be for him to elevate the program. He really is not that far off. The next two years should be good years with the potential to be very good seasons.

We were talking about last season the exact same way Waite. Now, it's the next two seasons. It's been this way since the start for Mick. He is always just on the cusp of a major breakthrough. I'll bet if he makes it to 20 seasons, we'll be saying the same things. We're getting him a new arena and maybe "another" elite conference. Soon, he will have absolutely zero excuses. But, I suspect we'll continue to find some.
 
We were talking about last season the exact same way Waite. Now, it's the next two seasons. It's been this way since the start for Mick. He is always just on the cusp of a major breakthrough. I'll bet if he makes it to 20 seasons, we'll be saying the same things. We're getting him a new arena and maybe "another" elite conference. Soon, he will have absolutely zero excuses. But, I suspect we'll continue to find some.
Mick doesn't recruit or coach with goal of winning championships.
 
We were talking about last season the exact same way Waite. Now, it's the next two seasons. It's been this way since the start for Mick. He is always just on the cusp of a major breakthrough. I'll bet if he makes it to 20 seasons, we'll be saying the same things. We're getting him a new arena and maybe "another" elite conference. Soon, he will have absolutely zero excuses. But, I suspect we'll continue to find some.
in sports there is always next season. We will see. I hope you don't think I'm making excuses. As stated I'm not unhappy with the program but like you I want more. Stepping into the Big 12 and competiting with the schools there will not be a cake walk in football or basketball. Other then the big east days in basketball it will be the most competitive situation we have ever taken on.
 
I think his recruits force him to coach the way he coaches. I don't believe for a second that he doesn't want to win championships.
"I think his recruits", says it all. He doesn't even do social media or no type of social interactions. First couple years he was getting or in on top 50 recruits. Now he recruits great team players that doesn't even have recruiting profiles. Players not signing with us, not being eligible or just transferring out has taken a toll on Mick. Now he just take the walks never tries swing for fences.
 
Mick is not a bad coach by any means. He certainly has us slotted in an area that insures that we are still playing important games in March. I just think our university should expect better than that. For most of the 350 Division 1 universities, his performance would work. Based on our history, I think we're one of the schools that can reasonably expect better. And, don't think I am referring to March Tradition only. We have not had the greatest March results in recent history, even during Huggs. But, we were attracting top recruits, top rankings, national interest, winning league and tournament championships, and owning our city....in spite of less than epic NCAA performance. Nothing about our program and facilities says all of that shouldn't still be the norm here. Unfortunately, none of it exists under this coach.

Although I am growing increasingly concerned with the ceiling of our current coach I still believe it is important to keep things in perspective. I agree with much of what you say here. It is OK to say he has done a good job but some of us would like to raise the bar. It is also OK for some to say they are happy with the current situation as it stands. It's just a matter of opinion.

I put more emphasis on court results and less on character building and grade building (as our BB head coach is concerned). Character building is what parents do and grade building is what professors do. Winning BB is what BB coaches are hired to do.

If we have reached the peak with our coach on the court it is my opinion we have to change. There are other coaches who can do both coach BB and life at the same time. Hopefully Cronin can evolve. I like the recent change in recruiting style from less of an athletic emphasis to more BB player and shooter mentality. It gives me a little hope that maybe he's not supremely stubborn with his past style. IDK we will see. If that means we drop from top 10 in D to top 25 but increase in offense from 150 to 50...I'm all for it. That seems like a net positive to me.
 
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Dayton freshman Kostas Antetokounmpo has been ruled a partial qualifier by the NCAA, per release. Will redshirt this season.
 
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