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But we are in the AAC! Jk
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But we are in the AAC! Jk
I was just looking at a SI article on tournament predictions. They have us as a 3 seed. But...
Last 4 in Houston. Last 4 out UCLA and SMU. Next 4 out Miss St and Temple.
Lol. We have some good wins...they just aren't way up there. They have Buffalo as a 13 seed.
Last 4 in Houston. Last 4 out UCLA and SMU. Next 4 out Miss St and Temple.
Lol. We have some good wins...they just aren't way up there. They have Buffalo as a 13 seed.
I was just looking at a SI article on tournament predictions. They have us as a 3 seed. But...
Last 4 in Houston. Last 4 out UCLA and SMU. Next 4 out Miss St and Temple.
Lol. We have some good wins...they just aren't way up there. They have Buffalo as a 13 seed.
And people say conference or team name don't have anything to do with it. I'm not saying they should be that close, but that just goes to show how big the gap is. MSU is 21 in the RPI, buffalo is 27. They've got MSU as a 3 seed, so ten seed difference over six spots in the RPI lol. It really is a joke a lot of the time
And people say conference or team name don't have anything to do with it. I'm not saying they should be that close, but that just goes to show how big the gap is. MSU is 21 in the RPI, buffalo is 27. They've got MSU as a 3 seed, so ten seed difference over six spots in the RPI lol. It really is a joke a lot of the time
To be fair, Buffalo is 1-5 against groups 1 and 2. So they really shouldn't be in as an at-large team. Though, they go and win out the MAC, they'll be in the discussion because of their gaudy RPI.
I think we move ahead of Duke if they lose to UNC tonight. 4-4 in Group 1 doesn't earn a 2 seed, maybe our 4-2 does.
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I was just looking at a SI article on tournament predictions. They have us as a 3 seed. But...
Last 4 in Houston. Last 4 out UCLA and SMU. Next 4 out Miss St and Temple.
Lol. We have some good wins...they just aren't way up there. They have Buffalo as a 13 seed.
They might as well lable it any team UC played in the non conference lol
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And people say conference or team name don't have anything to do with it. I'm not saying they should be that close, but that just goes to show how big the gap is. MSU is 21 in the RPI, buffalo is 27. They've got MSU as a 3 seed, so ten seed difference over six spots in the RPI lol. It really is a joke a lot of the time
but really all this shows is how awful the rpi is. buffalo doesn't have a single group 1 win and is 1-2 vs group 2. and they have a group 3 loss.
but their rpi is still 26. while their kenpom is 81, bpi is 90, sagarin is 83, kpi is 61 and sor is 65.
i mean it makes our team sheet look better since teams are listed based on rpi on there.
A team's actual RPI is mostly meaningless. If you use that as your measuring stick, of course you're going to think it's a joke.And people say conference or team name don't have anything to do with it. I'm not saying they should be that close, but that just goes to show how big the gap is. MSU is 21 in the RPI, buffalo is 27. They've got MSU as a 3 seed, so ten seed difference over six spots in the RPI lol. It really is a joke a lot of the time
Kentucky and Wichita St each have 10. The picture changes when separating Groups 1 and 2 though. 8 of our wins are in Group 2, which is more than any team on your list. 3 of those (@Memphis, UCF, SMU) are in danger of falling out. We're certainly in the mix with most of your list though.Most tier 1 and 2 wins:
13: Kansas, Xavier
12: Virginia, Villanova, Cincinnati
Others of note:
Purdue - 11
Clemson -10
Auburn- 9
Duke - 7
Texas Tech - 10
Tennessee - 10
Kansas is the only team above who has lost a tier 3 game (1)
A team's actual RPI is mostly meaningless. If you use that as your measuring stick, of course you're going to think it's a joke.
I am just looking at what the committee is still looking at... of course RPI is horrible and outdated. But until they stop using it as a metric for bid selection, I'm not going to ignore it
Kentucky and Wichita St each have 10. The picture changes when separating Groups 1 and 2 though. 8 of our wins are in Group 2, which is more than any team on your list. 3 of those (@Memphis, UCF, SMU) are in danger of falling out. We're certainly in the mix with most of your list though.
Who else has teams in danger of falling out? Or we just back to talking about just our negatives again..
The committee doesn't rate teams based on their own RPI. That's the point.I am just looking at what the committee is still looking at... of course RPI is horrible and outdated. But until they stop using it as a metric for bid selection, I'm not going to ignore it
I responded to a positive post by filling in relevant negatives. I'm objective.Who else has teams in danger of falling out? Or we just back to talking about just our negatives again..
On average, every resume should have the same number of teams in danger of falling out of a quality win as they do teams moving into a quality win. For instance, Clemson has wins over Notre Dame, Hofstra, and @Georgia Tech, all of which are just barely outside Group 2. We have 3 teams in danger of falling out with zero having potential to move in.
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I responded to a positive post by filling in relevant negatives. I'm objective.
On average, every resume should have the same number of teams in danger of falling out of a quality win as they do teams moving into a quality win. For instance, Clemson has wins over Notre Dame, Hofstra, and @Georgia Tech, all of which are just barely outside Group 2. We have 3 teams in danger of falling out with zero having potential to move in.
Our next 3 games are all tier 1 games. Going 3-0 would solidify us as a 2 seed IMO for the time being.
I responded to a positive post by filling in relevant negatives. I'm objective.
On average, every resume should have the same number of teams in danger of falling out of a quality win as they do teams moving into a quality win. For instance, Clemson has wins over Notre Dame, Hofstra, and @Georgia Tech, all of which are just barely outside Group 2. We have 3 teams in danger of falling out with zero having potential to move in.
I am not worried about quantity right now...we will have quantity even if a couple teams fall out. We have a chance to add quality which is really about the only thing missing IMO. WSU staying ranked will help if we can knock them off. Houston and SMU will be very good quality road games. If we can do a decent job in those 4 games 2-2 or 3-1 (or better) our resume won't have a lot to nit pick about.
Yes, I agree. If we go 2-1 we should still be in position for a protected seed. Ironically, we should pick up another Group 1 win regardless of our result against Houston. If we lose, they'll probably move into the top 30.Our next 3 games are all tier 1 games. Going 3-0 would solidify us as a 2 seed IMO for the time being.
I am not worried about quantity right now...we will have quantity even if a couple teams fall out. We have a chance to add quality which is really about the only thing missing IMO. WSU staying ranked will help if we can knock them off. Houston and SMU will be very good quality road games. If we can do a decent job in those 4 games 2-2 or 3-1 (or better) our resume won't have a lot to nit pick about.
I think the "expected results" for us on some of the prediction sites is we will either lose 1 or 2 more. That would be the "expected outcome" even if we are favored in all of them. No shame in finishing the season that way IMO...I would be content with 2 losses. I will be ecstatic if we can do better than 2 losses from here on out. Over the moon!
I think our team (and coach) seems to have the right state of mind so I am confident but I am also always very nervous. I don't think there is much chance we show up without intensity. I worry about focus more...turnovers and dumb fouls etc. If we handle that category along with intensity...we will get the job done. We can shoot average or slightly below and still win all the games if we do the other things well.
Sure, but that hasn't happened yet. The same can be said about many teams. Using the Clemson example again, they have four Group 1 games left too. Nothing happens in a vacuum.I am not worried about quantity right now...we will have quantity even if a couple teams fall out. We have a chance to add quality which is really about the only thing missing IMO. WSU staying ranked will help if we can knock them off. Houston and SMU will be very good quality road games. If we can do a decent job in those 4 games 2-2 or 3-1 (or better) our resume won't have a lot to nit pick about.
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Sure, but that hasn't happened yet. The same can be said about many teams. Using the Clemson example again, they have four Group 1 games left too. Nothing happens in a vacuum.
That's why I said "If". I don't take any of these games for granted anymore. This is a crazy time of year where anything can happen. 8 of the top 10 teams either lost or played in very close games. Many of them were high quality games and that is what we have coming up.
I am nervous but optimistic.
Yes, I agree. If we go 2-1 we should still be in position for a protected seed. Ironically, we should pick up another Group 1 win regardless of our result against Houston. If we lose, they'll probably move into the top 30.
Why do you think we aren't getting a protected seed so bad.