Coach Tuberville

[M64W]

You have to at least admit that 5 of those losses were to 5 very good teams this year: USF (10-2), Houston (9-3), Temple (9-3), Memphis (8-4), BYU (8-4).

 

[jacobkdoyle]

You have to at least admit that 5 of those losses were to 5 very good teams this year: USF (10-2), Houston (9-3), Temple (9-3), Memphis (8-4), BYU (8-4).

Yeah...we should be one of those teams. Not the team getting drilled by them.

 

[M64W]

Yeah...we should be one of those teams. Not the team getting drilled by them.

On what basis do you say that? Is it just your opinion? If so, what do you base it on?

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Tubs PR is working overtime huh? Hope he's paying you well.

 

[XgradforUC]

Considering how we have seen the team perform the majority of the time under the last 4 coaches before TT, why wouldn't we expect UC to be performing at a level equal to those teams?

 

[UCBearcats]

I'll never understand anyone who could root for a team but not expect that team to be good.

 

[Bcatfollower]

TT is not good... He isn't even recruiting the best of what's left after the p5 gets its players. It's not a question of getting someone better, its that almost any coach you give a chance to could produce similar results on the field and recruiting... So by giving someone else a chance there is at least the possibility they could do better.

 

[justinhub2003]

Let's do a little comparison: Mark Dantonio was 18-17 at UC (52%); Brian Kelly was 34-6 at UC (85%); Butch Jones was 23-14 at UC (63%)--TT is 29-22 (57%). Is there that much of a difference? Keep in mind the previous 3 had Big East recruiting to hold on to. Dantonio has won 69% of his games at MSU; Kelly has won 66% of his games at ND; Jones has won 58% of his games at Tenn. I say, we give TT the benefit of the doubt. The difference between 5-10% in a 12 game schedule is 1/2 of a game to 1 game difference.

Our team has gotten worse year over year under TT. Add in that thd product on the field just looks bad. We're never in sync, last year our offense was great and our defense was terrible. This year we have one of the worst offenses in all of football. And we fell apart in the second half so many times.

I don't under stand how any one is defending TT right now. It's not like with our new recruits we are going to be really good next year. We have nothing to look forward to and finishing this bad in a non P5 conference is pathetic. We're in for a rebuild no matter who is the coach, might as well do it with someone who has a drive to win and make a name for himself

 

[XgradforUC]

M....

NONE of those coaches started with decent records and then got worse 2 years in a row. Wihich is why they left for better jobs. TT started with 9 wins the first two years, dropped to 7 in the third year, and dropped further this past year, to 4 wins.

Notice the difference in how they trended?

Would also have to take into consideration that level of compition for the coaches mentioned was probably higher than what UC faced the last two seasons.

So, of ONLY is the program trending down, it's doing it against weaker compition.....not a good combination

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Just throwing this out for conversation but could our FB program be suffering from not being in a P% conference? Mind you I'm not saying I like the job TT is doing but not getting in a P% has to hurt right?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Just throwing this out for conversation but could our FB program be suffering from not being in a P% conference? Mind you I'm not saying I like the job TT is doing but not getting in a P% has to hurt right?

Waite we went 1-7 vs AAC competition and got blown out in virtually every one of those games. That has nothing to do with P5.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Waite we went 1-7 vs AAC competition and got blown out in virtually every one of those games. That has nothing to do with P5.

Jake I agree just asking if not getting in a P5 conference will hurt us in the long run. We have underperformed tremendously this season. Really would like to understand the whole story behind Kiel's saga. Has to be more then we are being told.

 

[UCBearcats]

You have to at least admit that 5 of those losses were to 5 very good teams this year: USF (10-2), Houston (9-3), Temple (9-3), Memphis (8-4), BYU (8-4).

So on one hand you say that UC shouldn't expect to be good. You talk about conference affiliation how it hurts TT's ability to recruit and blah blah blah. We should all just give Tommy a break because UC football is a no win situation and we should all just come to terms with it.

On the other hand you say that USF, Houston, Temple, Memphis and BYU are all good teams this year. In what world do UC fans not have every right to expect or demand that our program be better than every single one of those teams you listed above? All of those schools you listed above are there because of coaching. Every single one of those programs has undergone a coaching change in recent years and their programs continue to elevate or stay the same yet UC has dropped to the basement of the AAC.

Please explain to me why as a UC fan I shouldn't expect our program to be better than USF, Houston, Temple, Memphis or BYU.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Jake I agree just asking if not getting in a P5 conference will hurt us in the long run. We have underperformed tremendously this season. Really would like to understand the whole story behind Kiel's saga. Has to be more then we are being told.

Not being in a P5 has nothing to do with us not being able to compete against other non-P5 competition. Why would we be on the short list to be added to a P5 conference if they choose to expand, but not expect to compete against AAC teams? That's doesn't make any sense. We got killed all season bc we have a horrible coach.

 

[UCBearcats]

Mark Dantonio inherited a program that was excited just to get into a bowl game. He seriously raised the bar on recruiting and made UC a destination for some of the area's best high school athletes. He did this all with little to no fan support and in his final game as UC's coach he beat a top 10 team in a packed and rowdy Nippert. UC football was finally back and Dantonio used the success he had to springboard himself to MSU.

Brian Kelly came in and continued to elevate the program. He installed a dynamic offense and built a consistent fan base in his first season. BK's program made Nippert the place to be and BK took our program to heights none of us ever thought possible and he did it with very little resources. He demanded a practice bubble and eventually got it but he made this school more money than he even cost it. He took us within 1 second of playing for a national title and earned the right to take his dream job at ND.

Butch came in to the highest expectations for UC football in decades. The roster was on the downswing but Butch did a great job recruiting and steadied the ship very quick after a sub par first season. Butch maintained the bar and kept UC as a perennial Top 25 program. Butch also earned the opportunities he received and took one of the most high profile coaching jobs in the country.

All 3 of these guys did this because they were very good coaches. The didn't make excuses, they demanded upgrades to create a more level playing field but they didn't make excuses for their lack of resources. They all won and they all raised the bar for what our fans expected. I am so sick of listening to whiny little bi**es on this site talk about how UC can't be good because we're not P5 and we shouldn't expect to compete. Anything less than what those 3 fantastic coaches gave this program is unacceptable. That goes for ALL sports. Either raise the bar and be great or get the f**k out.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Not being in a P5 has nothing to do with us not being able to compete against other non-P5 competition. Why would we be on the short list to be added to a P5 conference if they choose to expand, but not expect to compete against AAC teams? That's doesn't make any sense. We got killed all season bc we have a horrible coach.

Our market is what they are after. I hate to say this but firing TT is not the end of our problem. if what we all want is to be a big time athletic program we need to be in a P5 conference. if beating up the little guys is what we are after why the huge investment.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Our market is what they are after. I hate to say this but firing TT is not the end of our problem. if what we all want is to be a big time athletic program we need to be in a P5 conference. if beating up the little guys is what we are after why the huge investment.

We are where we are conference-wise. We pay a Top 50 salary and have put a lot of money into the program. Winning AAC titles and being in the running for a New Year's 6 Bowl is a worthy goal imo.

 

[XgradforUC]

So on one hand you say that UC shouldn't expect to be good. You talk about conference affiliation how it hurts TT's ability to recruit and blah blah blah. We should all just give Tommy a break because UC football is a no win situation and we should all just come to terms with it.

Please explain to me why as a UC fan I shouldn't expect our program to be better than USF, Houston, Temple, Memphis or BYU.

"Better than"? Hell! They got a long way to go just to get to "competitive".
Under the current coaching administration all we have is a vague promise that "help is coming". But if we look at the ratings of the last few recruiting classes, in relationship to other teams in the AAC, the help coming to UC is not on a par with the help coming to the opposition.

It appears to me that not only is UC losing in the field, they are losing in the recruiting compition as well. I too have high expectations for UC football, they should be at least the 2nd best program in the state of Ohio. UC should be able to compete for recruits (and win) against schools like UK, Indiana, all of the MAC, many in the B10, some in the SEC and ACC. The AAC TV package leaves much to be desired and being in a league that doesn't automatically get access to big bowls and national TV money is an obstical for sure. But then consider that Houston is surrounded by B12 schools, USF and UCF are surrounded by SEC and ACC powers, Memphis is in the middle of SEC and B12 schools, and yet all of them have been able to recruit at a level much higher than UC. There were 40,000 fans at the Houston game, and 99% were not there to see Houston. So you can't say that UC can't draw people. Nippert may not be the biggest stadium, but it's still a very attractive place to play in and a nice venue for fans, especially when filled to capacity. By all accounts the training and practice facilities are 1st rate. So what's missing? Why can't UC compete for recruits successfully against their compition now?

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

We are where we are conference-wise. We pay a Top 50 salary and have put a lot of money into the program. Winning AAC titles and being in the running for a New Year's 6 Bowl is a worthy goal imo.

I understand all that but my issue is those things for the little guy will be harder and harder to achieve. I guess what I am trying to ask is its the system working against us?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I understand all that but my issue is those things for the little guy will be harder and harder to achieve. I guess what I am trying to ask is its the system working against us?

Everything I'm hoping for is based on competing with other AAC/G5 programs. We have it better than pretty much all on that level. Nothing working against us isn't also working against them.