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WAITE HOYT 2 said:
jason I wish I could say it only happens every once in awhile but the media is bought and paid for in this country. There is very little I read that I don't question. There are more Brian Williams they we would be led to believe.
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I don't disagree with you. There is always an agenda. It is difficult to find journalism without bias.

I think the Enquirer needs to back off here. It's not like there is a competing paper in town that is going to get the story first. UC has historically not withheld anything so, if they are doing that here, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that there is a good reason.
 
JasonS said:
I don't disagree with you. There is always an agenda. It is difficult to find journalism without bias.

I think the Enquirer needs to back off here. It's not like there is a competing paper in town that is going to get the story first. UC has historically not withheld anything so, if they are doing that here, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that there is a good reason.
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We are being led like sheep in this country. I do agree the paper needs to back off.
 
Back together again like peas and carrots

I definitely don't think that the next two days will result in a press conference announcing expansion and UC being one of them. I have had my hopes dashed so many times that I am like Forrest Gump hoping for Jenny. I just like the fact that the big 12 is even discussing it and Oklahoma, being one of the power brokers of that conference, is adamant about pushing it. I think something will happen someday but who knows when and will it be favorable for UC. I put the odds at 50/50 and I can really see two candidates like Houston and UCF jumping in ahead of us.
 
The Big 12 has fewer teams than any of the power conferences. They know in the long run they will not have 10 teams. Imo they should get out in front and be sure to be the next to expand to make sure they get their pick. I've always heard that eventually there could be 5 16 team power conferences. The Big 12 has a long way to go if that's ever going to happen.
As far as schools they'd pick...I doubt Texas will allow a 5th Texas school in the conference. BYU would spread that conference pretty far across the map. Seems like it'd be easier to bridge the gap to WV. But you have to bring something to the table to get the invite. If the Big 12 did expand, I'd be a little worried about Memphis and a Florida school.
 
Memphis scares me and let's be honest for a second. If UCONN had a decent football program we wouldn't even be in the conversation. Upgrading 5/3 arena helps our cause but don't think for a second the BIG 12 hasn't noticed our failures in football recruiting
 
I don't think there will be 5 16-team power conferences. If that happens then we will be in one of those conferences. I think there will be 4 16-team super conferences and it worries me as to whether we will be there in one of those conferences.
 
Our athletic department and all the donnars have thrown out an insane amount of money for the athletic program. And when fifth third is done we will have some of the top notch facilities in the whole country. Nippert is beautiful, varsity village is, the new bball gym will be, the weight room and locker rooms are awesome. I do not think the plan is to put all this money in if they are not confident something will change conference wise. An invite to the the big 12 IMO would allow uc to explode in fan support and in recruiting, football would increase big big time. I personally think with our facilities if in the big 12 both supports would compete at an extremely high level. I will not put a time table on it but im very confident the big 12 will expand and add uc and one other team. it just makes to much sense not too expand to 12 while there are still schools with some things to offer
 
I hear a lot of guys worried about other schools like Memphis or Houston. You all are forgetting one thing, its all about money $$$$. UC is almost a sure thing due to our market. Our metro region is a gold mine for the Big 12/TV companies.

Remember, Rutgers didn't go to the Big 10 for their outstanding athletics and academics. They got in bc the Big 10 wanted their market exposure.

Schools like Memphis lack in that dept. It's a smaller market. Big 12 doesn't want to expand in Texas with Houston. Why would they? I just hope it happens sooner than later.
 
UCalum08 said:
I hear a lot of guys worried about other schools like Memphis or Houston. You all are forgetting one thing, its all about money $$$$. UC is almost a sure thing due to our market. Our metro region is a gold mine for the Big 12/TV companies.

Remember, Rutgers didn't go to the Big 10 for their outstanding athletics and academics. They got in bc the Big 10 wanted their market exposure.

Schools like Memphis lack in that dept. It's a smaller market. Big 12 doesn't want to expand in Texas with Houston. Why would they? I just hope it happens sooner than later.
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The B12 did expand in Texas last go round taking TCU. Who knows what they will do, the leadership has been going back and forth and cannot find common ground.
 
Not so Sure!

UCalum08 said:
I hear a lot of guys worried about other schools like Memphis or Houston. You all are forgetting one thing, its all about money $$$$. UC is almost a sure thing due to our market. Our metro region is a gold mine for the Big 12/TV companies.

Remember, Rutgers didn't go to the Big 10 for their outstanding athletics and academics. They got in bc the Big 10 wanted their market exposure.

Schools like Memphis lack in that dept. It's a smaller market. Big 12 doesn't want to expand in Texas with Houston. Why would they? I just hope it happens sooner than later.
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If it comes down strictly to TV market size, they will choose USF and UCF, as their market size is much larger then Cincy.
 
M64W said:
If it comes down strictly to TV market size, they will choose USF and UCF, as their market size is much larger then Cincy.
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Houston and Temple also have much larger markets -- not that I think Temple is in play or that TV markets are the end-all, be-all. I like our chances, but I'm more worried about UConn and BYU than USF, UCF, or anyone else.
 
I think we are in the top two for expansion into the Big 12. However, things could change. We have many advantages including our facilities and location. Most football teams in our conference do not have their own football stadiums. Teams like Temple, Memphis, USF all have leased arrangements. Others do not have a basketball arena which also includes Memphis, UConn plays half of games in city arena in Hartford and others are too small. I also have to wonder why all of a sudden UC changed it's course from a remodeled 5th 3rd arena capacity of 10.5K to 12K? Was that because UC sees the Big 12 train coming?
 
M64W said:
If it comes down strictly to TV market size, they will choose USF and UCF, as their market size is much larger then Cincy.
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It only comes down to market size if they start their own network. If the decision to expand comes along with the announcement of their own network I'd be very concerned about USF and UCF taking spots.

However, if they decide to start their own network and also decide to expand I wouldn't be shocked to see them expand to 16 teams. At that point why not expand as much as possible and get your network in as many markets as you can?

I think the most likely scenario would be expansion of 2 schools for the immediate future and a re-negotiation of their current TV contracts. If that's the case I still think we're one of those 2 teams. Our brand is worth much more to the networks and the Big 12 than USF or UCF's are.
 
I still think the Big 12 is stupid. Oklahoma still plays @Oklahoma State, then vs TCU in back to back weeks. THEN the Big 12 title game later. It's going to be so hard to have a 0 or 1 loss champion.
 
Yeah going on the fourth year, and looking like they won't be getting anyone in this year, al though could definitely still happen, just doesn't seem likely to me at this point. Four years, and only 1 appearance. They're definitely doing something wrong.
 

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