Nice to have you! You guys scare me a lot I was actually talking to my brother and said the 2 teams I didn't want to play at the seven seed were Creighton and Notre Dame, and we got Creighton..... The only thing in this match-up that might be good for us is offensively we essentially play 3 guards for 40 minutes, and our guards can guard people who are bigger than them, Parker is going to be someone you need to watch out for, if gibbs plays parker I really like that match-up for us. We are a terrible free throw shooting team, and can get hot from 3. If we drive the ball to the hoop on you guys I think we win, but luckily for you guys we have done that exactly 0 times on a consistant basis this season. You will see a lot of wait til 5 seconds on the shot clock and kilpatrick jack up a three with someone in his face I would presume.
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Nice to have you! You guys scare me a lot I was actually talking to my brother and said the 2 teams I didn't want to play at the seven seed were Creighton and Notre Dame, and we got Creighton..... The only thing in this match-up that might be good for us is offensively we essentially play 3 guards for 40 minutes, and our guards can guard people who are bigger than them, Parker is going to be someone you need to watch out for, if gibbs plays parker I really like that match-up for us. We are a terrible free throw shooting team, and can get hot from 3. If we drive the ball to the hoop on you guys I think we win, but luckily for you guys we have done that exactly 0 times on a consistant basis this season. You will see a lot of wait til 5 seconds on the shot clock and kilpatrick jack up a three with someone in his face I would presume.
Yes, Creighton's move to the Big East is a cosmic change for the entire university. The Jays only recently moved to the forefront, but this has been our dream for decades.
UC is a classic Big East team so it will be interesting to see how Creighton stacks up especially on a neutral floor.
Creighton is top 10 in Ast./TO ratio and the team IQ is impressive. It will be fundamentals against better athletes.
LAMDA LAMDA LAMDA vs. the Alpha Beta's?
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To say we are psyched about our Big East move is a complete understatement. This exact scenario - where the hoops schools tell the FBS schools to bite them and break off has been the stuff of pipe dreams in these parts for over a decade. I'm not kidding at all when I say the godawful winters here get more tolerable when you're playing GTown and Marquette instead of Evansville and Indiana State.
Gonna be a bumpy ride though. But we will get through it. I think there's almost no chance Doug McBuckets stays but hey, one can hope.
Gonna be a bumpy ride though. But we will get through it. I think there's almost no chance Doug McBuckets stays but hey, one can hope.
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lol! who talks like that?
Jays fan here, really looking forward to a fun game on Friday. I come in peace, I promise. I think it will be a good game but Creighton's offense will eventually be too much, just like last year against Alabama, another great defensive team.
I just wanted to point out something for all of you to think about. I keep hearing about how people believe this game will be played in the high 50's or low 60's.
You do all recognize that Creighton has only scored under 60, 2 times this season, right (and they won one of those games)? In fact, Creighton has only scored under 65, 7 times. On the flip side, Cincinnati has scored under 60, 9 times and under 50 twice.
Yeah yeah yeah, Creighton hasn't faced a defense nearly as good as Cincinnati's. I guess we'll see on Friday if that is actually true. Maybe Cincinnati hasn't faced an offense nearly as good as Creighton's.
I just wanted to point out something for all of you to think about. I keep hearing about how people believe this game will be played in the high 50's or low 60's.
You do all recognize that Creighton has only scored under 60, 2 times this season, right (and they won one of those games)? In fact, Creighton has only scored under 65, 7 times. On the flip side, Cincinnati has scored under 60, 9 times and under 50 twice.
Yeah yeah yeah, Creighton hasn't faced a defense nearly as good as Cincinnati's. I guess we'll see on Friday if that is actually true. Maybe Cincinnati hasn't faced an offense nearly as good as Creighton's.
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Jays fan here, really looking forward to a fun game on Friday. I come in peace, I promise. I think it will be a good game but Creighton's offense will eventually be too much, just like last year against Alabama, another great defensive team.
I just wanted to point out something for all of you to think about. I keep hearing about how people believe this game will be played in the high 50's or low 60's.
You do all recognize that Creighton has only scored under 60, 2 times this season, right (and they won one of those games)? In fact, Creighton has only scored under 65, 7 times. On the flip side, Cincinnati has scored under 60, 9 times and under 50 twice.
Yeah yeah yeah, Creighton hasn't faced a defense nearly as good as Cincinnati's. I guess we'll see on Friday if that is actually true. Maybe Cincinnati hasn't faced an offense nearly as good as Creighton's.
Creighton won that game 58-57, wouldn't say you guys exactly lit up a good defensive team.
Huh? The game Creighton won was against Southern Illinois and they won 59-45. Also I was mistaken. Creighton has scored under 60, 3 times. They also scored 57 and 54, both losses.
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Sorry, against Alabama last year.
Jays fan here, really looking forward to a fun game on Friday. I come in peace, I promise. I think it will be a good game but Creighton's offense will eventually be too much, just like last year against Alabama, another great defensive team.
I just wanted to point out something for all of you to think about. I keep hearing about how people believe this game will be played in the high 50's or low 60's.
You do all recognize that Creighton has only scored under 60, 2 times this season, right (and they won one of those games)? In fact, Creighton has only scored under 65, 7 times. On the flip side, Cincinnati has scored under 60, 9 times and under 50 twice.
Yeah yeah yeah, Creighton hasn't faced a defense nearly as good as Cincinnati's. I guess we'll see on Friday if that is actually true. Maybe Cincinnati hasn't faced an offense nearly as good as Creighton's.
Yeah, statistics can go both ways. You realize UC has only given up 70 points in regulation 3 times all season (3 wins)? UC has held opponents under 65 points in 27 games in regulation, including 21 times against top 135 opponents in BPI. Tournament teams averaged 60 PPG against UC this year (14 games).
You don't understand how much Cronin and our staff preach defense. They tally deflections in practice and games. You don't get deflections, you don't play. As frustrating as our offense is sometimes, you can always count of lockdown defense at all times - and that's something you can appreciate as a fan.
UC has lost some of these games but we've put up great defensive numbers against some damn good teams. Some teams' scoring averages are down after playing in the rugged Big East, though.
- New Mexico 55
- Pitt 61 & 62 points
- Marquette 63 (in regulation)
- Syracuse 57
- Villanova 50
- Georgetown 62 twice
- UCONN 56 and 55 (in regulation)
I respect Creighton and your program. You have great fan support, and you have good things ahead to look forward to with the Big East. I understand you have 5-6 great, capable shooters that can go off anytime. You may beat us, but I seriously doubt you go off for 75+. I would be very shocked.
I could easily see a game like Alabama/Creighton last year that ended 58-57. It should be a great game and I won't be surprised by any outcome.
This is really interesting and not a statistic I'd seen before. I'd say this is one half of the "magic" statistic for this game.
UC is 22-1 when scoring 61pts this season. If tourney teams are averaging 60, I think that makes getting to 61 paramount.
Maybe Cincinnati hasn't faced an offense nearly as good as Creighton's.
Actually, we have and we won.
And you have faced a better defense (statistically) in Wisconsin, and you won.
Should be interesting.
Who have you played better than Creighton's offense? Creighton is #1 in FG% and 3pt%. KenPom has them at #6 for adjusted offense.
I think the referees will play an important role (you're an idiot if you think referees decide games). If the referees call a tight game UC could struggle. McD lives at the line. If UC can press with physicality the Jays will struggle.
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We won't just struggle. It'll be worse than that.
To be fair crieghton is #1 in field goal percentage because their SOS is 82nd in the country, so who have you guys played with a better defensive game then ours?
I agree I think you guys are a quality offensive basketball team no question about that, but who have you guys played? I look on your schedule and you guys played wisconsin before they were starting to get hot, and besides that nobody really, Whichita state is a quality team, but that's two teams, it seems to me you are the ones that havn't been tested, and if your implying we havn't played anyone your insane.
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It's true that Creighton hasn't played as tough of a schedule as Cincy, but that's really no fault of their own. The MVC just isn't as strong as the Big East, but Creighton will get a chance to play a tougher schedule starting next year.
If you break it down purely by record against tournament teams (and I am counting UConn as a tournament team since they would be in the field if not on probation) you get:
Creighton:
Wins: Wisconsin, Akron, Cal, Wichita State (2)
Losses: Boise State, St. Mary's, Wichita State
Total: 5-3
Cincinnati:
Wins: North Carolina A&T, Iowa State, Oregon, Pittsburgh, Marquette, Villanova, UConn
Losses: New Mexico, Notre Dame (2), Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Georgetown (2), UConn
Total: 7-9
The highest-seeded tournament team Creighton played this year is Wisconsin (5). Cincinnati played 6 games against teams seeded 1-4 alone.
Cincinnati is definitely more tested. What that means... who knows.
If you break it down purely by record against tournament teams (and I am counting UConn as a tournament team since they would be in the field if not on probation) you get:
Creighton:
Wins: Wisconsin, Akron, Cal, Wichita State (2)
Losses: Boise State, St. Mary's, Wichita State
Total: 5-3
Cincinnati:
Wins: North Carolina A&T, Iowa State, Oregon, Pittsburgh, Marquette, Villanova, UConn
Losses: New Mexico, Notre Dame (2), Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Georgetown (2), UConn
Total: 7-9
The highest-seeded tournament team Creighton played this year is Wisconsin (5). Cincinnati played 6 games against teams seeded 1-4 alone.
Cincinnati is definitely more tested. What that means... who knows.
Let's just clarify some things.
1. UC played a harder schedule than CU. They are 1-5 against top 4 seeds with their only win at home in overtime to Marquette. Neither team has much to brag about thus the 7-10. UC has not played a better offense than Creighton, but certainly some teams are really comparable.
2. Winning on the road ANYWHERE is difficult. Ask Kentucky. Our SOS gets dinged for our weaker conference. We got a lower seed (rightly so) for losing on the road in conference.
3. Wisconsin lost to Creighton because they ran with Creighton not because it was "before they were starting to get hot."
4. NCA&T is terrible and I don't count UConn. You have 5 wins vs. NCAA teams.
1. UC played a harder schedule than CU. They are 1-5 against top 4 seeds with their only win at home in overtime to Marquette. Neither team has much to brag about thus the 7-10. UC has not played a better offense than Creighton, but certainly some teams are really comparable.
2. Winning on the road ANYWHERE is difficult. Ask Kentucky. Our SOS gets dinged for our weaker conference. We got a lower seed (rightly so) for losing on the road in conference.
3. Wisconsin lost to Creighton because they ran with Creighton not because it was "before they were starting to get hot."
4. NCA&T is terrible and I don't count UConn. You have 5 wins vs. NCAA teams.
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That's why he mentioned the Kenpom adjusted offense rating. That factors in SOS. We beat two very efficient offenses (Iowa State and Pitt), but I think Creighton is the best of the bunch because they have a true go-to scorer.
Each team is going to see something that they aren't quite used to seeing. That could make for a great game.
When you have a regular season that doesn't quite live up to expectations it's not always easy to look at all the positives, but this team ranks top 10 in the nation in a ton of categories:
Total Rebounds Per Game (40.0) #7 national rank
Offensive Rebounds Per Game (14.4) #7
Blocks Per Game (6.2) #5
Block Percentage (11.3) #5
Effective Field Gold Percentage Defense (43.1) #10
True Shooting Percentage Defense (46.5) #7
Points Per Possession Defense (0.89) #9
I'd agree that we haven't seen an offensive team like Creighton, but there is no way they have faced a team that can rebound, defend, and block shots like we can.
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I'm fine with everything you said there except this...
Why would you not count UCONN?? They would have been a 6-10 seed in the tourney this year if they were eligible. Just because they weren't eligible doesn't effect the fact that they were a tournament caliber team. If that win didnt count then I dont think the selection comittee would have considered it on our resume, however, they did, so I'm gonna stick with it counting.
Why would you not count UCONN?? They would have been a 6-10 seed in the tourney this year if they were eligible. Just because they weren't eligible doesn't effect the fact that they were a tournament caliber team. If that win didnt count then I dont think the selection comittee would have considered it on our resume, however, they did, so I'm gonna stick with it counting.
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Great stat and it shows that this defense is the real deal.