Expectations for 2015-16

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TheLongHaul said:
Obviously there are going to be teams, and good teams, that have bigs that can shoot the 3. Though it's pretty rare in college basketball. The whole point was there were 3 final four teams that did not have bigs that shot the 3 and therefore it isn't necessary as Bulldog alluded to.

Also, I never said anything about Lyles hitting 3's. Bulldog did. His point was shot down.

For some reason you are so quick to jump in and defend Bulldog that by doing so you are making useless comments in the discussion. I guess that is why I'm abrasive, sorry. If you weren't so quick to defend him you probably would have seen my point about mentioning the three teams and you would have noticed that Bulldog mentioned Lyles, not me.
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I agree with bulldog about Clark. That's why I get in the discussion. I assumed you mentioning Lyles 3 pt attempts in response to him meant he couldn't play the 3. I made a mistake. It's much easier to sort it out by explaining yourself. Clearly we weren't on the same page. It has nothing to do with defending bulldog. It has to do with your inability to have a disagreement without getting personal. Anyway, I'm moving past it. I hope you are too.
 
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KJ's#1Supporter said:
Clark's sample size is 5.
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Hence, not a 3 pt shooter.

I would rather have our shooters shoot. We are lucky to have a guy shoot over 33% on the team and you want our best rebounder shooting 3's. UC has enough trouble scoring on a regular basis. Cobb shooting a guarded 3 is better than Clark shooting a "wide open" 3.
 
Patrick Bateman said:
Hence, not a 3 pt shooter.
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I agree. He's a post player and rebounder. I just see a situation once every 2 or 3 games next year where he catches it behind the line and either no one comes out on him, or the shot clock is under 10, and he steps into it and tries the open look. That's all.
 
KJ's#1Supporter said:
I agree. He's a post player and rebounder. I just see a situation once every 2 or 3 games next year where he catches it behind the line and either no one comes out on him, or the shot clock is under 10, and he steps into it and tries the open look. That's all.
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Why do you want him doing that? If he takes 15 3's next year, how many do you realistically think he'll make? Maybe 2-3? I'm not sure how that helps the team next year and to counter Bulldog's original point, the majority of his time in the offseason should not be working on the 3 so he can take 15 attempts next year. He should be spending the vast majority of his time working on his post game and his mid-range jumper.
 
TheLongHaul said:
Why do you want him doing that? If he takes 15 3's next year, how many do you realistically think he'll make? Maybe 2-3? I'm not sure how that helps the team next year and to counter Bulldog's original point, the majority of his time in the offseason should not be working on the 3 so he can take 15 attempts next year. He should be spending the vast majority of his time working on his post game and his mid-range jumper.
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I think he could go 4-14ish. I just want him to get a feel for it in game action. Obviously not in situations where it would really cost us. But imo Clark will need to be one of the better all-around players in the country his JR year if we are going to stay good. I'm a little nervous that with 6 spots to fill (depending on Morman) between now and next year, that we'll regress back towards a rebuilding team after a 1 year peak. I just think Clark can take bigger year by year steps than any player in our program. We put way too much on his plate this year, and he handled it alright. I'd like to push him along. He seems like he can handle it.
 
TheLongHaul said:
Why do you want him doing that? If he takes 15 3's next year, how many do you realistically think he'll make? Maybe 2-3? I'm not sure how that helps the team next year and to counter Bulldog's original point, the majority of his time in the offseason should not be working on the 3 so he can take 15 attempts next year. He should be spending the vast majority of his time working on his post game and his mid-range jumper.
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Plus, it isn't just about Clark draining 3s. It is about extending his range and being a threat. I agree that way more work should be going into post game and mid range at this point. But just showing that he's willing can draw his defender that much further out from the lane. He's gotta get rid of the Rubles treatment bc I think he can be successful attacking off the dribble and passing as well. It isn't like we'd have to change what we currently do. Our big guys come up to screen or catch the ball up high all the time as it is.
 
Idk about corner 3s for Clark, it seems like going out of your way to get him 3 pt looks. Someone mentioned Evans earlier as that kind of guy. Its be amazing if he was a good spot up shooter from day 1.
 
KJ's#1Supporter said:
I think he could go 4-14ish. I just want him to get a feel for it in game action. Obviously not in situations where it would really cost us. But imo Clark will need to be one of the better all-around players in the country his JR year if we are going to stay good. I'm a little nervous that with 6 spots to fill (depending on Morman) between now and next year, that we'll regress back towards a rebuilding team after a 1 year peak. I just think Clark can take bigger year by year steps than any player in our program. We put way too much on his plate this year, and he handled it alright. I'd like to push him along. He seems like he can handle it.
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I share your concern about regressing after next year but I think Clark, if he develops his post game and develops a solid mid-range jumper, can dominate without being a 3 point threat whatsoever. Then, once he has gotten the aforementioned two areas down, then he can work on his 3 point game. I think there is a zero chance that develops a good 3 point shot by next year and it'd be wasting his effort to spend much time on it.

Frankly, I think that really hurt JJ. Once he and the staff realized after his junior year that he was a 4 he worked on that part of his game for his senior year. Prior to that he spent so much time working on his outside game which was unrealistic for him.
 
Patrick Bateman said:
Hence, not a 3 pt shooter.

I would rather have our shooters shoot. We are lucky to have a guy shoot over 33% on the team and you want our best rebounder shooting 3's. UC has enough trouble scoring on a regular basis. Cobb shooting a guarded 3 is better than Clark shooting a "wide open" 3.
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Clark or uc will never take next step passing wide open in rhythm 3's. nba playoffs start this week name me one PF on any team 6'7 making news.
 
TheLongHaul said:
Why do you want him doing that? If he takes 15 3's next year, how many do you realistically think he'll make? Maybe 2-3? I'm not sure how that helps the team next year and to counter Bulldog's original point, the majority of his time in the offseason should not be working on the 3 so he can take 15 attempts next year. He should be spending the vast majority of his time working on his post game and his mid-range jumper.
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You can't counter what I say keep making up LIES. Out of hr and half I resquested only 10min on jumpers. Lmao sad times
 
KJ's#1Supporter said:
Idk about corner 3s for Clark, it seems like going out of your way to get him 3 pt looks. Someone mentioned Evans earlier as that kind of guy. Its be amazing if he was a good spot up shooter from day 1.
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When he's in game and Ellis operates from post it would be ideal if every guy could shoot. It basically clogs up lane and kills offense having a 4/5 that can't shoot. We're ALWAYS playing 4 on 5 offense. NOBODY is saying Clark become perimeter player but if he could at least be option to take teams have to play him for it. I'm pretty sure Clark would ATTACK rim anyway which I want him to do.
 
It takes lifetimes to learn post moves and footwork. 10-20min of jumpers a day a help before hrs of post moves would.
 
KJ's#1Supporter said:
I think he could go 4-14ish. I just want him to get a feel for it in game action. Obviously not in situations where it would really cost us. But imo Clark will need to be one of the better all-around players in the country his JR year if we are going to stay good. I'm a little nervous that with 6 spots to fill (depending on Morman) between now and next year, that we'll regress back towards a rebuilding team after a 1 year peak. I just think Clark can take bigger year by year steps than any player in our program. We put way too much on his plate this year, and he handled it alright. I'd like to push him along. He seems like he can handle it.
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What makes you think he could shoot 28% from 3? What was his HS%? He barely shot 62% unguarded standing still from 15 feet away this season. You even said how you were disappointed in his FT% dropping at the end of the year. You want Cobb, TC to shoot more and now you want Clark bombing away? Where are all these possessions coming from? Why recruit shooters like Evans then? At least if guards shoot there is a much better chance of a rebound on a miss.
 

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