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I think focusing on a 3 point shot is not what he should be doing, why not work on his post game? Work on your hook shots and ability to create space while backing someone down and using a quick move on them. Work on a mid range jump so you can pump and drive and if they back off he can just hit that.

I feel all of those things are more suited to Clark right now, and his ability to increase those skills outpaces his ability to increase his 3 point shot.

If you think about this way if he can increase his post skills and midrange by 100% but can only increase his 3 point shot 30-40% what should he be working on?

I agree. He does need to work on that stuff. Going from 5 3s to 12-15 isn't a huge increase, so I'm not saying he needs to become a 3 pt shooter. But if he's wide open, it isn't unrealistic for him to be able to knock that down.
 
I feel like some people are afraid to raise the expectations on these players. Mick has never had a 1st round pick...it should be the goal of EVERY player on the team to be the first one. Clark has a chance to be great. Why limit what he can become? I don't get why the attitude is "Yeah whatever, put more weight on him, keep him in the post, and send him overseas". Our own coaches have called him the next All-American here several times. That isn't going to happen by being a 6'7" post player with 10 foot range. If our own coaches want more for him, and we saw the potential on the floor, why is our fan base trying to hold him back? We don't need to protect these guys. Clark shot 5 3s this year. I bet he shoots 12-15 next year. I think his bread and butter here will always be rebounding and inside play, especially as he continues to grow into his body. But he can be more. And I'm going to encourage him to believe that the sky is the limit.

Kmart came in around 6'5 and left 6'9. Hopefully Clark grows a little too. 2 or 3 inches would push him into the first round if he improves every year. I don't really think our fan base changes anything a player does, but our coaches should definitely be encouraging him to expand his game.
 
I feel like some people are afraid to raise the expectations on these players. Mick has never had a 1st round pick...it should be the goal of EVERY player on the team to be the first one. Clark has a chance to be great. Why limit what he can become? I don't get why the attitude is "Yeah whatever, put more weight on him, keep him in the post, and send him overseas". Our own coaches have called him the next All-American here several times. That isn't going to happen by being a 6'7" post player with 10 foot range. If our own coaches want more for him, and we saw the potential on the floor, why is our fan base trying to hold him back? We don't need to protect these guys. Clark shot 5 3s this year. I bet he shoots 12-15 next year. I think his bread and butter here will always be rebounding and inside play, especially as he continues to grow into his body. But he can be more. And I'm going to encourage him to believe that the sky is the limit.

It's not about being afraid to raise expectations. It's about being logical. Was anyone asking Maxiell or Hicks to start hitting threes after their freshmen years? This part of his game could certainly be developed, but come on. Gary is great, but he's not suddenly going to be a world-class player next year. By senior year, who knows, because I really do believe his ceiling is through the roof. Just need to pump the brakes a little and focus more on post-moves for the time being.
 
Do you want this program to win championships or just kepp using stats to make excuses? Everybody on team next year goal should be to double their production from this year. It's put up or shut up next for EVERY team in city next year, all cincy teams could have new coaches after next season. No other major city in WORLD would allow to HIGH PROFILE coaches ten plus years without 1 CHAMPIONSHIP. If we don't win either AAC tournament or make sweet 16, I'll be open to move him from Mick.

???????? Stop.
 
I think focusing on a 3 point shot is not what he should be doing, why not work on his post game? Work on your hook shots and ability to create space while backing someone down and using a quick move on them. Work on a mid range jump so you can pump and drive and if they back off he can just hit that.

I feel all of those things are more suited to Clark right now, and his ability to increase those skills outpaces his ability to increase his 3 point shot.

If you think about this way if he can increase his post skills and midrange by 100% but can only increase his 3 point shot 30-40% what should he be working on?
Clark is 6'7. Unless you have a mean streak no other player can match when it comes down to the big boys you aint winning primarily in post. Clark can dominate aac in post but when it comes time for big boys he should make his money by being able to shoot and put ball on floor.
 
It's not about being afraid to raise expectations. It's about being logical. Was anyone asking Maxiell or Hicks to start hitting threes after their freshmen years? This part of his game could certainly be developed, but come on. Gary is great, but he's not suddenly going to be a world-class player next year. By senior year, who knows, because I really do believe his ceiling is through the roof. Just need to pump the brakes a little and focus more on post-moves for the time being.

Max, Kmart, and hicks all bad comparison. They all toughness you can't teach and Clark doesn't have it. None of them guys had the tools or fundamentals Clark has. I look at Clark poor man lamer odom
 
Clark is 6'7. Unless you have a mean streak no other player can match when it comes down to the big boys you aint winning primarily in post. Clark can dominate aac in post but when it comes time for big boys he should make his money by being able to shoot and put ball on floor.

Yes and no. He grabbed 9 rebounds against one of the tallest teams in the NBA (UK) in only 26 minutes of play, but he did struggle in the post shooting over those trees. He does need to work on some more go to post moves, then he'll compete with the best of the best
 
It's not about being afraid to raise expectations. It's about being logical. Was anyone asking Maxiell or Hicks to start hitting threes after their freshmen years? This part of his game could certainly be developed, but come on. Gary is great, but he's not suddenly going to be a world-class player next year. By senior year, who knows, because I really do believe his ceiling is through the roof. Just need to pump the brakes a little and focus more on post-moves for the time being.

Clark has played basketball his whole life. We act like he has never taken a 3 before. He's going to be in the gym all summer. Look at a guy like Shaq Goodwin. He had a 21 rebound game this year. But he also hit 2 3s on us. And next year, I bet he'll do it more. It is the way the game is going. Again, I'm saying a handful of made 3s all season on open looks. Then he'll really be ready to break out his junior year.
 
Max, Kmart, and hicks all bad comparison. They all toughness you can't teach and Clark doesn't have it. None of them guys had the tools or fundamentals Clark has. I look at Clark poor man lamer odom

Clark is a spitting image of Maxiell (minus the extremely long arms). Their numbers will be very similar when it's all said and done
 
I just don't see that. Clark has good handles and can run the floor better. Maxiell just dunked everything his first couple years (man he was awesome).

I see the height, how they both block shots, good passers, play smart, immediate impact, solid around the basket and how calm they both always are/were. Clark is not as strong and doesn't dunk it as mean as Max, but I think he does have better handles.
 
Why isn't there a chance? I can recall at least 10x this season where Clark hesitated to shoot the 3. If he's still hesitating on them shots were not developing him correctly. Not saying that what he becomes but YES in today's game on need your 4 or 5 to be able to at least be comfortable shooting 3's. Clark looked special in high school when he attack rim from corner of perimeter.

Shooting the 3 did wonders for Ibrahima Thomas' and Rubles' career. Maybe if Gates worked more on post moves, he would be in the association instead of being a midrange player.

As it is now, Clark does not have a variety of moves, he has the "Backyard Backdown" as somebody eluded to this season. Start there and add a midrange shot. Maybe by Jr and Sr year extend to 3 pt range if hits midrange at consistent basis.
 
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Kind of convenient not to mention Wisconsin, no? Clark is 6'7" also, Kentucky and Duke big guys are 6'10" and bigger.

Why would I mention Wisconsin? I was pointing out teams that didn't have 4's and 5's that could shoot the 3 to show that it wasn't necessary as Bulldog alluded to.

So what lyles still took them and plenty jumpers. Winslow dominated tournament when he played 4. Both them guys ability to operate from perimeter to rim makes them lottery picks.

Umm, no he didn't. He took less than one a game. And so what even if he did take them if he missed them all. No wonder you don't like stats, they make you look ignorant.

Lyle's was a 3 bc they had Cauley-Stein and Towns. And 2 other 6'10" guys on the bench. He's not a 3 for anyone else.

What on earth is your point? I never said Lyles was a 3.
 
Shooting the 3 did wonders for Ibrahima Thomas' and Rubles' career

Ha ha, no kidding. Next season Gary Clark is going to start shooting threes and he'll hit them at about a 10% clip and Bulldog and KJ#1 will be calling for his head for shooting 3's. Then they'll wonder why his post game isn't as sharp as it should be after the off-season.
 
Ha ha, no kidding. Next season Gary Clark is going to start shooting threes and he'll hit them at about a 10% clip and Bulldog and KJ#1 will be calling for his head for shooting 3's. Then they'll wonder why his post game isn't as sharp as it should be after the off-season.

I said attempt 12-15 wide open 3s on the season.
 
Why would I mention Wisconsin? I was pointing out teams that didn't have 4's and 5's that could shoot the 3 to show that it wasn't necessary as Bulldog alluded to.



Umm, no he didn't. He took less than one a game. And so what even if he did take them if he missed them all. No wonder you don't like stats, they make you look ignorant.



What on earth is your point? I never said Lyles was a 3.

You would mention Wisconsin bc you just so happened to name the other Final 4 teams. Just looks like you left them out bc they go against your point. And Lyles only hit 3 3s as a 3 but he wasn't really a true 3. Especially as a frosh. That's all I was saying. No need to be so abrasive. Damn.
 
You would mention Wisconsin bc you just so happened to name the other Final 4 teams. Just looks like you left them out bc they go against your point. And Lyles only hit 3 3s as a 3 but he wasn't really a true 3. Especially as a frosh. That's all I was saying. No need to be so abrasive. Damn.

Obviously there are going to be teams, and good teams, that have bigs that can shoot the 3. Though it's pretty rare in college basketball. The whole point was there were 3 final four teams that did not have bigs that shot the 3 and therefore it isn't necessary as Bulldog alluded to.

Also, I never said anything about Lyles hitting 3's. Bulldog did. His point was shot down.

For some reason you are so quick to jump in and defend Bulldog that by doing so you are making useless comments in the discussion. I guess that is why I'm abrasive, sorry. If you weren't so quick to defend him you probably would have seen my point about mentioning the three teams and you would have noticed that Bulldog mentioned Lyles, not me.
 
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