Jacob Evans III

[WAITE HOYT 2]

yeah, guys with more talent shouldn't work as hard - right.

I don't think L_T meant work ethic. I think he was referring to the route to success.

 

[DSquare]

Not sure I agree that SK's roadmap is the one to use. He was in college 5 years, then another couple in the D League, before he finally made it. SK's roadmap would be the one to use for the mediocre players who work their tail off and never give up, and eventually persevere.

Talent and tool wise, Evan's isn't an nba shoe-in. He's still a tweener with his size/quickness ratio when benchmarking it against Nba talent. SK was far from a mediocre player. You do not become a first team all american with mediocre skills. Evans has a chance to be a very good player, but based on last year he's far from a phenom. He'd be well advised to work his tail off in the same vane as SK. There are a lot of steps to becoming a pro, and he's on the bottom level right now. I recall Shaq Thomas having some nice Ncaa tourney games as well....

 

[UCalum08]

Talent and tool wise, Evan's isn't an nba shoe-in. He's still a tweener with his size/quickness ratio when benchmarking it against Nba talent. SK was far from a mediocre player. You do not become a first team all american with mediocre skills. Evans has a chance to be a very good player, but based on last year he's far from a phenom. He'd be well advised to work his tail off in the same vane as SK. There are a lot of steps to becoming a pro, and he's on the bottom level right now. I recall Shaq Thomas having some nice Ncaa tourney games as well....

Evan's didn't just have a good NCAA tourney game. He had multiple very good games, especially for a freshman. He has a long journey to make it to the next level, but he is certainly on the right track. He'll keep putting in the work and us fans will enjoy watching him grow.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Talent and tool wise, Evan's isn't an nba shoe-in. He's still a tweener with his size/quickness ratio when benchmarking it against Nba talent. SK was far from a mediocre player. You do not become a first team all american with mediocre skills. Evans has a chance to be a very good player, but based on last year he's far from a phenom. He'd be well advised to work his tail off in the same vane as SK. There are a lot of steps to becoming a pro, and he's on the bottom level right now. I recall Shaq Thomas having some nice Ncaa tourney games as well....

my impression is based on his overall game. I agree he has to keep improving his game but I do see the tools. Last year he wasn't completely healthy and still had a nice season. But my opinion is more then stats. He just doesn't have a lot of holes in his game. He does everything well. His IQ is also very good. I think you'll see this year a more assertive confident player. As he will be healthy, you'll see more athletism. He will have to share the ball on this team but he still should have plenty of opportunities. I see absolutely no comparisons to Shaq's game. Shaq was athletic but he had nowhere near the overall game Jacob has.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Do we want Evans taking the most shots this year? I doubt Clark will be assertive enough and honestly I bet Caupain would prefer it.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Do we want Evans taking the most shots this year? I doubt Clark will be assertive enough and honestly I bet Caupain would prefer it.

Tough question Jake. Really have to see how the season unfolds and how other teams chose to defend us. I'm also anticipating that we will have a lot of options.
He certainly needs his touches.

 

[2bearcatdad]

I would always prefer to see the offense run through the post, then back out to the wings. Therefore, I hope Gary and Kyle can be enough of an inside presence to force the defense to collapse on them and free up open shots for Troy, Jacob & Jerrod.

 

[DSquare]

The one advantage that Evans has over some of the other guys,ie. SK, DV, et. al is he has more offensive talent around him. His predecessors often had to take a lot of shots they would not otherwise have taken given the lack of offensive punch. Last year's team and the squad this year have more guys you have to guard. It makes a difference.

 

[L-T]

Talent and tool wise, Evan's isn't an nba shoe-in. He's still a tweener with his size/quickness ratio when benchmarking it against Nba talent. SK was far from a mediocre player. You do not become a first team all american with mediocre skills. Evans has a chance to be a very good player, but based on last year he's far from a phenom. He'd be well advised to work his tail off in the same vane as SK. There are a lot of steps to becoming a pro, and he's on the bottom level right now. I recall Shaq Thomas having some nice Ncaa tourney games as well....

When SK became something other than mediocre, he was in his 5th year of college and was 24 years old. Until late in his career, he was considered weak defensively. His ball skills were considered weak. His shooting was nothing to write home about. Even the year before his all-american season, he shot 30% from three and 39% overall. He scored a lot of points because he shot a lot. He had a phenomenal attitude and a work ethic that was second to none. Even after becoming a 1st team all-american, not a single team drafted him in the NBA. His senior season was exceptional, but overall, he was pretty mediocre for much of his career. Just the fact that he was redshirted speaks to the fact that he had a lot of work to do when he got to our team. His senior season was so good that we sometimes look past the earlier years. Anyway, I loved him for his attitude and class.

 

[UCalum08]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Jacob handles being high on the scouting reports. He will not be overlooked this year and teams will try and take him out of his comfort. He shoots free throws so well, I hope to see him continue working on his ball handling and being able to get to the basket.

He will also need to work on moving more without the ball to get open. I think a lot of times last year, defense played off him which made him able to stay above the 3 line, wait for a pass and spot up. Might not be as easy this year.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Jacob handles being high on the scouting reports. He will not be overlooked this year and teams will try and take him out of his comfort. He shoots free throws so well, I hope to see him continue working on his ball handling and being able to get to the basket.

He will also need to work on moving more without the ball to get open. I think a lot of times last year, defense played off him which made him able to stay above the 3 line, wait for a pass and spot up. Might not be as easy this year.

The interesting thing for me is more about how the whole offense develops. Washington will give us a whole different dimension in the post. He has much more range then Ellis. His hands are also much better. We saw last year Clark was able to knock down open looks from the 3 line as well as post up. He added a little turn into the lane fade away to his game. Cumberland can hit the 3 and drive to the rim. TC takes care of the ball and hopefully won't feel compelled to force shots. Him getting to the rim should be easier with Washington and Clark creating space. Evans can give you both inside and outside. He also passes the ball well. I can honestly say I am excited about the offense. We should be hard to defend.

 

[UCalum08]

The interesting thing for me is more about how the whole offense develops. Washington will give us a whole different dimension in the post. He has much more range then Ellis. His hands are also much better. We saw last year Clark was able to knock down open looks from the 3 line as well as post up. He added a little turn into the lane fade away to his game. Cumberland can hit the 3 and drive to the rim. TC takes care of the ball and hopefully won't feel compelled to force shots. Him getting to the rim should be easier with Washington and Clark creating space. Evans can give you both inside and outside. He also passes the ball well. I can honestly say I am excited about the offense. We should be hard to defend.

I completely agree, good points.

Yesterday, I had some time to kill, I rewatched the Iowa St game from last season. I know, hard to watch due to the outcome but it was actually fun to watch.

After watching, especially that game was difficult to watch at times. The frustrations of Ellis really showed that game. He was a TO machine and weak with the ball when passed too. Also, Cobb's inability to get to the hoop was a good reminder of how one dimensional he was.
I forgot how many chances we had to take the lead, extend the lead. Poor offensive possessions due to poor shot selections.

I am looking forward to a more balanced, skilled starting five.

 

[#BearcatNation]

When SK became something other than mediocre, he was in his 5th year of college and was 24 years old. Until late in his career, he was considered weak defensively. His ball skills were considered weak. His shooting was nothing to write home about. Even the year before his all-american season, he shot 30% from three and 39% overall. He scored a lot of points because he shot a lot. He had a phenomenal attitude and a work ethic that was second to none. Even after becoming a 1st team all-american, not a single team drafted him in the NBA. His senior season was exceptional, but overall, he was pretty mediocre for much of his career. Just the fact that he was redshirted speaks to the fact that he had a lot of work to do when he got to our team. His senior season was so good that we sometimes look past the earlier years. Anyway, I loved him for his attitude and class.

Not true at all. In fact, I think his junior year was his only subpar year. He was great his frosh & soph years. 49.4% from two and 37.7% from three. Take that from a guard any day.

 

[DSquare]

SK did a very good job from day one of getting to the hoop when his shots were not falling from outside, and that continues to be a strength in his game. His numbers were impacted significantly by the lack of offensive options on the teams he played on. He often had to take last second shots by default, not to mention facing double teams. One of the reasons he's made it to the nba is he's being played straight up now. The scouting report on the UC teams he played on was well known.

 

[L-T]

SK did a very good job from day one of getting to the hoop when his shots were not falling from outside, and that continues to be a strength in his game. His numbers were impacted significantly by the lack of offensive options on the teams he played on. He often had to take last second shots by default, not to mention facing double teams. One of the reasons he's made it to the nba is he's being played straight up now. The scouting report on the UC teams he played on was well known.

He played with Dion Dixon, Rashad Bishop, Yancy Gates, Justin Jackson, Jaquon Parker, Cashmere Wright, etc. He had plenty of offense around him. The only year he had no offense around him was his senior season, and he was 1st team all-american. He became a 1st team all-american because he finally learned to take the ball to the hole in his senior year and began drawing tons of fouls, as well as converting shots.

 

[L-T]

Not true at all. In fact, I think his junior year was his only subpar year. He was great his frosh & soph years. 49.4% from two and 37.7% from three. Take that from a guard any day.

Your definition of great and mine are vastly different. That's because you believe what you've been watching under Cronin is great. Your bar is set very low.

Part of the reason he shot better in his first couple years is exactly the opposite from what DSquare said. He had offensive help and the focus was on others. When he had to start generating stuff on his own, he didn't have the quickness or ball skills to do it and his percentages dropped drastically....until his senior season. That was "great"

 

[#BearcatNation]

Your definition of great and mine are vastly different. That's because you believe what you've been watching under Cronin is great. Your bar is set very low.

Part of the reason he shot better in his first couple years is exactly the opposite from what DSquare said. He had offensive help and the focus was on others. When he had to start generating stuff on his own, he didn't have the quickness or ball skills to do it and his percentages dropped drastically....until his senior season. That was "great"

This is exactly why I have a problem with you. You're putting words in my mouth and you think you know where I have my bar set (and threw Cronin in there because you simply cannot resist a cheap shot).

The average player shoots 34.4% from behind the arc. SK shot higher than that. Okay, so maybe he wasn't a *phenomenal* shooter, but he was still very solid. You acted like his senior season was his only good year, which is far from true.

 

[L-T]

This is exactly why I have a problem with you. You're putting words in my mouth and you think you know where I have my bar set (and threw Cronin in there because you simply cannot resist a cheap shot).

The average player shoots 34.4% from behind the arc. SK shot higher than that. Okay, so maybe he wasn't a *phenomenal* shooter, but he was still very solid. You acted like his senior season was his only good year, which is far from true.

This is exactly why I have a problem with you. You're putting words in my mouth. I said his senior season was his only "GREAT" season, and that is a fact. It is not far from the truth. It is spot on. The statement about Cronin was not a cheap shot. It is a statement of fact as well. If you want me to expand on that, I certainly will.

If SK was as talented as some of you are making him out to be, why did every single NBA team pass on him twice? Compared to the typical Cronin recruit, he was like Michael Jordan. Compared to the universe of college basketball players, he was just solid for his career considering he had 2 to 3 years of age and maturity over almost everyone he competed against. After all, he's only been out of college two years and he'll be 27 in 4 months! He was a superstar when it came to work ethic and being a "class" individual who represented our university as good as anyone whoever walked thru the doors. That work ethic and class culminated in a level of performance as a senior that brought him a well deserved 1st team all-american honor. But, his skill as a basketball player brought him no interest from the NBA. He again continued to put in the work and overcame the naysayers and got his NBA contract.

 

[justinhub2003]

This is exactly why I have a problem with you. You're putting words in my mouth and you think you know where I have my bar set (and threw Cronin in there because you simply cannot resist a cheap shot).

The average player shoots 34.4% from behind the arc. SK shot higher than that. Okay, so maybe he wasn't a *phenomenal* shooter, but he was still very solid. You acted like his senior season was his only good year, which is far from true.

Also what made SK a great bearcat was his ability to finish games. Honestly if we had SK last season, we wouldn't have lost so many close games. The dude was clutch and knew how to score late in games.

But It doesn't surprise me that L-T refuses to say any Cronin Era bearcat had a great college career. But SK did.

I mean if you compared the numbers for Lottery pick Buddy Hield to SK, the numbers are not that far off. Buddy had a better senior year but SK had a better Fresh and Soph year and matched him very closely in Kenpom ORTG. **Im not saying SK had as good a career as Budy Heild but its a lot damn closer than L-T would give him credit for..

 

[L-T]

Also what made SK a great bearcat was his ability to finish games. Honestly if we had SK last season, we wouldn't have lost so many close games. The dude was clutch and knew how to score late in games.

But It doesn't surprise me that L-T refuses to say any Cronin Era bearcat had a great college career. But SK did.

I mean if you compared the numbers for Lottery pick Buddy Hield to SK, the numbers are not that far off. Buddy had a better senior year but SK had a better Fresh and Soph year and matched him very closely in Kenpom ORTG. **Im not saying SK had as good a career as Budy Heild but its a lot damn closer than L-T would give him credit for..

Again, Hield was a lottery pick. SK was not picked by anyone. Not only was he never picked, it took him 2 more years of struggling just to earn a contract. The contract is only paying him $750,000 a year which is pretty small compared to the average NBA player.

The "facts" all agree with me. Your personal feelings can be whatever you want them to be. I try to just stick with facts. I loved SK, but I also know his skills were limited. He overcame his skill with his intangibles.