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In order for Evans to leave early I'd guess he'd have to be around 17+ PPG with 6-7 RPG while shooting about 40% from 3.
 
Again, Hield was a lottery pick. SK was not picked by anyone. Not only was he never picked, it took him 2 more years of struggling just to earn a contract. The contract is only paying him $750,000 a year which is pretty small compared to the average NBA player.

The "facts" all agree with me. Your personal feelings can be whatever you want them to be. I try to just stick with facts. I loved SK, but I also know his skills were limited. He overcame his skill with his intangibles.

The NBA not picking SK has nothing to do with SK's skill. The NBA makes all kinds of irrational decisions all the time.

James Young from Kentucky was drafted in the first round in the same year SK was. James young has never done anything close to what SK did in his time with the Nets last year. The NBA probably knew SK could come in and make immediate impact for them BUT the NBA drafts on youth and long term potential since most rookies ride the bench any way.

Just because James Young was drafted by the Celtics and kilpatrick wasn't, it doesn't mean anything in regards to how good SK truly was. Because by the numbers (facts) SK has scored more points in his last 8 games with the Nets than James young has scored in 2 seasons with the celtics.

The NBA draft has nothing to do with facts. The stats have everything to do with them. If SK would have been drafted, by the numbers he'd be as productive or more productice then half the players drafted in the first round.
 
The NBA not picking SK has nothing to do with SK's skill. The NBA makes all kinds of irrational decisions all the time.

James Young from Kentucky was drafted in the first round in the same year SK was. James young has never done anything close to what SK did in his time with the Nets last year. The NBA probably knew SK could come in and make immediate impact for them BUT the NBA drafts on youth and long term potential since most rookies ride the bench any way.

Just because James Young was drafted by the Celtics and kilpatrick wasn't, it doesn't mean anything in regards to how good SK truly was. Because by the numbers (facts) SK has scored more points in his last 8 games with the Nets than James young has scored in 2 seasons with the celtics.

The NBA draft has nothing to do with facts. The stats have everything to do with them. If SK would have been drafted, by the numbers he'd be as productive or more productice then half the players drafted in the first round.

The Celtics are a playoff team. The Nets are one of the worst teams in the league. SK wouldn't get on the floor for Boston either. I'm not getting involved in this, but that should be noted.
 
The NBA not picking SK has nothing to do with SK's skill. The NBA makes all kinds of irrational decisions all the time.

James Young from Kentucky was drafted in the first round in the same year SK was. James young has never done anything close to what SK did in his time with the Nets last year. The NBA probably knew SK could come in and make immediate impact for them BUT the NBA drafts on youth and long term potential since most rookies ride the bench any way.

Just because James Young was drafted by the Celtics and kilpatrick wasn't, it doesn't mean anything in regards to how good SK truly was. Because by the numbers (facts) SK has scored more points in his last 8 games with the Nets than James young has scored in 2 seasons with the celtics.

The NBA draft has nothing to do with facts. The stats have everything to do with them. If SK would have been drafted, by the numbers he'd be as productive or more productice then half the players drafted in the first round.

Lol, by your rationale, there's probably a bunch of Div. 2, 3, and 4 players, plus some NAIA players with incredible stats (facts) that should be lottery picks. You can view SK however you want. I'll continue to view him like most people do....a solid player with a big heart, who worked his tail off, who carried himself with class and achieved his dream of playing in the NBA. He was a hell of a player in his senior season.
 
Lol, by your rationale, there's probably a bunch of Div. 2, 3, and 4 players, plus some NAIA players with incredible stats (facts) that should be lottery picks. You can view SK however you want. I'll continue to view him like most people do....a solid player with a big heart, who worked his tail off, who carried himself with class and achieved his dream of playing in the NBA. He was a hell of a player in his senior season.
all things considered he was one of my all time favorite Bearcats. I get a headache at my age thinking were I would rank him from a talent stand point.
 
all things considered he was one of my all time favorite Bearcats. I get a headache at my age thinking were I would rank him from a talent stand point.

He was one of my all-time favorites as well, but not from a skill standpoint. As a "complete" package, he was a gem. To me, Evans looks far more polished from a skill standpoint. But, does he have the SK heart and drive?
 
i think Evans could produce a season like that.

If he does, we're in for a special season.

I love Evans, but I still think Gary is the key to our offensive efficiency this season. If he and Kyle can establish a legitimate post game, that will open all kinds of open shots and driving lanes for our guards. That thought excites the heck out of me!

Go Bearcats!
 
He was one of my all-time favorites as well, but not from a skill standpoint. As a "complete" package, he was a gem. To me, Evans looks far more polished from a skill standpoint. But, does he have the SK heart and drive?
I agree Evans is far more advanced in all phases at this point in their careers. But that SK work ethic doesn't come along often.
 
If he does, we're in for a special season.

I love Evans, but I still think Gary is the key to our offensive efficiency this season. If he and Kyle can establish a legitimate post game, that will open all kinds of open shots and driving lanes for our guards. That thought excites the heck out of me!

Go Bearcats!
Having a inside out game would be nice. Consider this though, Clark and Washington are not you classic post players. Both have range and can stretch the floor. What excites me is this team should be very hard to guard. Lots of options and each player is very well rounded offensively. If they guard and not fall into the trap that we can just out score people we should have a very nice season. I think that was a bit of the trap the guys fell into last year. We were running up a 100 a game against the cupcakes and began giving up lots of open 3's. Dribble penetration was a problem all year.
 
He played with Dion Dixon, Rashad Bishop, Yancy Gates, Justin Jackson, Jaquon Parker, Cashmere Wright, etc. He had plenty of offense around him. The only year he had no offense around him was his senior season, and he was 1st team all-american. He became a 1st team all-american because he finally learned to take the ball to the hole in his senior year and began drawing tons of fouls, as well as converting shots.

If you think the group you've itemized above is "plenty of offense" it's a pointless argument. The majority of that group are at best some of the more inconsistent offensive players we've ever had. Not a one of those guys drew double t's except Yancey Gates in the post at times.
 
If you think the group you've itemized above is "plenty of offense" it's a pointless argument. The majority of that group are at best some of the more inconsistent offensive players we've ever had. Not a one of those guys drew double t's except Yancey Gates in the post at times.

Didn't all those guys except Jackson average double figures in the Big East?
 
Didn't all those guys except Jackson average double figures in the Big East?

Yeah, for the most part, the team nearly had 5 double figure scorers in Kilpatrick's first two seasons, each in the Big East, and won 52 games, and averaged 68 amd 69 points per game, which in a Cronin offense is like averaging 100 points a game in anybody else's offense.
 
If you think the group you've itemized above is "plenty of offense" it's a pointless argument. The majority of that group are at best some of the more inconsistent offensive players we've ever had. Not a one of those guys drew double t's except Yancey Gates in the post at times.

Three of those players are in the Top 20 scorers in the history of the school and well over 1000 points. The other three scored 800 to 900 points. I don't know what your offensive criteria is, but in my book, if you're top 20 all-time, your pretty special offensively. But, for the sake of your argument, we'll just assume that all the double teams of Kilpatrick were why they scored so much and it was all just a fluke.
 
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Three of those players are in the Top 20 scorers in the history of the school and well over 1000 points. The other three scored 800 to 900 points. I don't know what your offensive criteria is, but in my book, if you're top 20 all-time, your pretty special offensively. But, for the sake of your argument, we'll just assume that all the double teams of Kilpatrick were why they scored so much and it was all just a fluke.

Wright, Gates, Parker, Jackson, and Dixon combined for 10 seasons of double digits scoring average.

Caupain, Johnson, Clark, Washington, Moore, and Jenifer have combined for 2.

I guess the unknown is always more promising in our minds. But SK had plenty of scoring punch around him compared to what Evans has now.
 
It's all in the eye of the beholder, but if there has been one consistent criticism of Cronin's years at UC both locally and nationally it's the lack of offense. The years the guys you've mentioned played here we never averaged 70 points a game which is pretty weak when you toss out the cupcakes early in the year. The guys mentioned i would guess Gates was the only one who likely averaged at least 10 pts a game over his career which is mediocre considering he started almost his entire 4 years here. I do not think any of the others averaged over 10 pts a game which is not a heck of a lot of support particularly when you consider these are guys who PLAYED 4 years. You further refine it, and Gates was pretty much the only option inside during Sk's years here which is even more of a handicap for a guard. I remember Dixon shot sub 30% from 3 at least 2 of his 4 years here. Look, when you have 6 or 7 guys on a team who average double figures or near, that's not so bad. However, those squads had like 3 or 4. Not to mention they would be inconsistent from game to game. For those sitting and watching those squads, it was pretty difficult to watch on the offensive end. I think he's making some progress on improving that, but there's clearly room for improvement.

Go back over those years and look at post December games, and i will predict from memory many conference losses where we could not get to 60 points. Often, it was almost a laughing matter at ballgames from the old timers. Were they wasted seasons, no. We got to the tourney. However, much left on the table thru lack of support offensively.
 
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It's all in the eye of the beholder, but if there has been one consistent criticism of Cronin's years at UC both locally and nationally it's the lack of offense. The years the guys you've mentioned played here we never averaged 70 points a game which is pretty weak when you toss out the cupcakes early in the year. The guys mentioned i would guess Gates was the only one who likely averaged at least 10 pts a game over his career which is mediocre considering he started almost his entire 4 years here. I do not think any of the others averaged over 10 pts a game which is not a heck of a lot of support particularly when you consider these are guys who PLAYED 4 years. You further refine it, and Gates was pretty much the only option inside during Sk's years here which is even more of a handicap for a guard. I remember Dixon shot sub 30% from 3 at least 2 of his 4 years here. Look, when you have 6 or 7 guys on a team who average double figures or near, that's not so bad. However, those squads had like 3 or 4. Not to mention they would be inconsistent from game to game. For those sitting and watching those squads, it was pretty difficult to watch on the offensive end. I think he's making some progress on improving that, but there's clearly room for improvement.

Go back over those years and look at post December games, and i will predict from memory many conference losses where we could not get to 60 points. Often, it was almost a laughing matter at ballgames from the old timers. Were they wasted seasons, no. We got to the tourney. However, much left on the table thru lack of support offensively.

No argument from me on this stuff. It just seems like we always look at the future on paper and assume it'll be way better. That's been happening for a long time. I even remember back in the day before I ever posted on this site that people were thinking Final 4 the year Cashmere Wright came back from his injury. The unknown always sounds so good. The "in 2 years we'll be loaded" topic is very common for UC fans these days. Much easier to take bc it can't be proven wrong. I worry we're doing that again when discussing the supporting cast around Evans (assuming we see the highest ceiling for Evans).
 
I think we're discussing the supporting cast around Evans compared to SK. It got there bc SK is in the NBA and many think Evans can get there too.

I think if Evans works as hard as SK then he will play in the NBA. The problem is not many players work as hard as SK did.
 
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