NCAA Tournament

[David H]

Don't you guys ever tire of being so negative?

 

[ervins84]

Other good teams don't suck on the road like we do

I guess lucky for us, it's a good thing none of our tournament games will be road games.

 

[HExus]

Seems like for the most part the consensus agrees with me.

Not that they can't get knocked out in the first, I doubt they will honestly, and id be severely disappointed. Regardless of how under rated the lower seed may be. Disappointed that the momentum going into next year is smashed and also disappointed for the AAC.

2nd round knock out is way more likely, but this team HAS to get over that hump if they want to prove to me they have what it takes to finish.

I wouldn't be too upset about a sweet 16 loss, even though id be ragging in the immediate aftermath. I always get upset when they lose, im with the rest of you that said that.

This team does indeed have the talent to make the elite 8. Not so sure about anything beyond that this year. I think 8 is the dream scenario. Not that rankings matter, but I think that buys them a top 4 preseason ranking going into next year. Last time that happened Mr Martin was on the court.

I want them to have a good run, mostly for recruiting. Get their name back on the map. It upsets me when I hear these announcers saying UC isn't thought of as a power team. Since when the hell did that happen?

With a solid run, and the upgrade to facilities, I think that could turn around fast. Even more so with the talent coming back next year. (talent that SHOULD be coming back).

Feel like the tide is finally turning. Retaking ohio from X and tOSU.

Bout time. All is right in the universe of NCAA basketball....

 

[Bearcat513]

Just some other KenPom stats regarding past NCAAT champions...

Since 2002, each eventual champion was ranked top 25 on KenPom going into the tourney, not a real big surprise. To narrow the list down even further, teams were ranked top 80 in adjO AND top 60 in adjD. Looking at the numbers as of today, that's everyone in the current KP top 25 ( UC is #20 btw) besides Oklahoma State ( adjD of #122), Michigan ( adjD #86), and UCLA ( adjD #88).

On an average basis, past champions have ranked top 13 adjO and top 19 adjD. Looking at teams in the top 25 that meet this "law of averages" that gives you Gonzaga and Villanova, with UNC and Kansas just outside of that adjD #19.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Just some other KenPom stats regarding past NCAAT champions...

Since 2002, each eventual champion was ranked top 25 on KenPom going into the tourney, not a real big surprise. To narrow the list down even further, teams were ranked top 80 in adjO AND top 60 in adjD. Looking at the numbers as of today, that's everyone in the current KP top 25 ( UC is #20 btw) besides Oklahoma State ( adjD of #122), Michigan ( adjD #86), and UCLA ( adjD #88).

On an average basis, past champions have ranked top 13 adjO and top 19 adjD. Looking at teams in the top 25 that meet this "law of averages" that gives you Gonzaga and Villanova, with UNC and Kansas just outside of that adjD #19.

Which champions weren't Top 40 in both?

 

[justinhub2003]

Other good teams don't suck on the road like we do

But it's not on the road. You have no data to back this up.

 

[Bearcat513]

Which champions weren't Top 40 in both?

Which teams we NOT top 40 in both pre-tourney? None.

KP's numbers say for the team to win it all they have to end the season ( so, after winning it all) with a top 40 adjO and adjD number.

If they ranked 22-39 in either adjO or adjD, they have to had finished top-10 in the other.


UNC in '09 was #1 adjO and #39 adjD.
UCONN in '14 was #58 adjO and #12 adjD.
Duke in '15 was #3 adjO and #37 adjD.

Those three teams are the only champions since '02 to have PRE-TOURNEY rankings close to not fitting the bill. UCONN finished the year in 2014 ranked #39 in adjO and #10 adjD.

 

[GarradJ21]

But it's not on the road. You have no data to back this up.

Exactly....We don't have any road games left!

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Which teams we NOT top 40 in both pre-tourney? None.

KP's numbers say for the team to win it all they have to end the season ( so, after winning it all) with a top 40 adjO and adjD number.

If they ranked 22-39 in either adjO or adjD, they have to had finished top-10 in the other.


UNC in '09 was #1 adjO and #39 adjD.
UCONN in '14 was #58 adjO and #12 adjD.
Duke in '15 was #3 adjO and #37 adjD.

Those three teams are the only champions since '02 to have PRE-TOURNEY rankings close to not fitting the bill. UCONN finished the year in 2015 ranked #39 in adjO and #10 adjD.

Gotcha. Thanks.

 

[Bearcat513]

http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...e-bob-huggins-big-ncaa-tournament-run-likely/

Not sure where else to post this. Maybe for next season, we have a separate forum for articles written about UC?

Some interesting points in there. Specifically, how loyal Mick is, mentions how he has never welcomed a 5th-year grad transfer (much to my chagrin) and how the assistants haven't changed in seven seasons. I see the point of saying those things, consistency wise, but man I would love a grad transfer to come to UC because he thinks he's the missing piece to a deep March run. After this, makes it sound like Mick won't allow it.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...e-bob-huggins-big-ncaa-tournament-run-likely/

Not sure where else to post this. Maybe for next season, we have a separate forum for articles written about UC?

Some interesting points in there. Specifically, how loyal Mick is, mentions how he has never welcomed a 5th-year grad transfer (much to my chagrin) and how the assistants haven't changed in seven seasons. I see the point of saying those things, consistency wise, but man I would love a grad transfer to come to UC because he thinks he's the missing piece to a deep March run. After this, makes it sound like Mick won't allow it.

He goes more in depth about it on this week's radio show.

 

[Bearcatboy]

But it's not on the road. You have no data to back this up.

If it isn't at fifth third it's a road game, you guys were talking a month ago about winning out hmmm how did that work out? I said 3 losses and we've lost 2 and will probably lose one in the conference tourney. I'm the one that uses my head instead of my heart, would I love for UC to win the national title absolutely but it's NOT going to happen... get your heads out of the clouds

 

[cincyguy13]

If it isn't at fifth third it's a road game, you guys were talking a month ago about winning out hmmm how did that work out? I said 3 losses and we've lost 2 and will probably lose one in the conference tourney. I'm the one that uses my head instead of my heart, would I love for UC to win the national title absolutely but it's NOT going to happen... get your heads out of the clouds

It's not a road game if the other teams crowd isn't there either. It's nuetral. Big difference

 

[ervins84]

If it isn't at fifth third it's a road game

"Road" game doesn't mean what you apparently think it means. A road game isn't any game not at 5/3. Did we play a road game at US Bank vs XU however many years back that was?

You don't get to change the definition of road game to fit what you want it to be.

 

[cincyguy13]

If it isn't at fifth third it's a road game, you guys were talking a month ago about winning out hmmm how did that work out? I said 3 losses and we've lost 2 and will probably lose one in the conference tourney. I'm the one that uses my head instead of my heart, would I love for UC to win the national title absolutely but it's NOT going to happen... get your heads out of the clouds

Way to go out on a limb and say they aren't going to win it all.

 

[Bearcatboy]

Way to go out on a limb and say they aren't going to win it all.

I did

 

[cincyguy13]

If it isn't at fifth third it's a road game, you guys were talking a month ago about winning out hmmm how did that work out? I said 3 losses and we've lost 2 and will probably lose one in the conference tourney. I'm the one that uses my head instead of my heart, would I love for UC to win the national title absolutely but it's NOT going to happen... get your heads out of the clouds

Don't think I've seen one person say they are going to win it all.

 

[Bearcatboy]

"Road" game doesn't mean what you apparently think it means. A road game isn't any game not at 5/3. Did we play a road game at US Bank vs XU however many years back that was?

You don't get to change the definition of road game to fit what you want it to be.

I know what it means but I'm making a point If we don't have our crowd and our students watching us then no it's a road game and 5,000 people if that at a tourney game is not enough. If our team is not jacked up on hype and stuff we don't play as good defense then offense

 

[Bearcatboy]

Don't think I've seen one person say they are going to win it all.

There are people saying it's going to be easy and we should to make it to the sweet 16, no it's not and I doubt we do to be honest

 

[ervins84]

I know what it means but I'm making a point If we don't have our crowd and our students watching us then no it's a road game and 5,000 people if that at a tourney game is not enough. If our team is not jacked up on hype and stuff we don't play as good

Again, you obviously don't. You're changing the definition to fit a narrative that you want to tell. If you're this confident we're this bad in games that fit your definition of road, you should make a killing betting against them, because the market (betting lines) hasn't and will not reflect your opinion whatsoever.

Go get dem free moniez homie.