Oh well.....another example of why basketball stats are worthless. The cupcakes represent 60% of the schedule at this point in the season, so their stats will look a lot better at this point versus last year's full season stats. Anyone watching these games would be crazy to argue that our inside game looks better than last year. Many have already commented how those 3 players have been disappointing thus far. No matter what those stats say, I stand by my post above.
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Oh well.....another example of why basketball stats are worthless. The cupcakes represent 60% of the schedule at this point in the season, so their stats will look a lot better at this point versus last year's full season stats. Anyone watching these games would be crazy to argue that our inside game looks better than last year. Many have already commented how those 3 players have been disappointing thus far. No matter what those stats say, I stand by my post above.
Oh well.....another example of why basketball stats are worthless. The cupcakes represent 60% of the schedule at this point in the season, so their stats will look a lot better at this point versus last year's full season stats. Anyone watching these games would be crazy to argue that our inside game looks better than last year. Many have already commented how those 3 players have been disappointing thus far. No matter what those stats say, I stand by my post above.
We still have a lot of cupcakes left in the AAC and a few big games. I don't expect a dramatic change in the stats but I would guess some of them will come down a little closer to last year as we get into conference play.
I think it basically looks about the same as last year on the interior. Perhaps people are disappointed because they were hoping for significant noticeable improvements. I am not disappointed in Clark or DeBerry. Maybe Ellis a little since his TO rate is higher and he passes up mid range jumpers too often.
Either way I do not think it's the problem with this team
Well then, tell us what you think is the problem.We still have a lot of cupcakes left in the AAC and a few big games. I don't expect a dramatic change in the stats but I would guess some of them will come down a little closer to last year as we get into conference play.
I think it basically looks about the same as last year on the interior. Perhaps people are disappointed because they were hoping for significant noticeable improvements. I am not disappointed in Clark or DeBerry. Maybe Ellis a little since his TO rate is higher and he passes up mid range jumpers too often.
Either way I do not think it's the problem with this team
We still have a lot of cupcakes left in the AAC and a few big games. I don't expect a dramatic change in the stats but I would guess some of them will come down a little closer to last year as we get into conference play.
I think it basically looks about the same as last year on the interior. Perhaps people are disappointed because they were hoping for significant noticeable improvements. I am not disappointed in Clark or DeBerry. Maybe Ellis a little since his TO rate is higher and he passes up mid range jumpers too often.
Either way I do not think it's the problem with this team
If the inside game improves, what I said will happen is going to happen. We'll go from a fringe top 25 team and move closer and closer to a top 10 team where we thought we might be coming into this season. The problem is, that kind of improvement needed to take place in the off-season. It is what it is now. I don't see it getting much better at this point. I hope it does, but I doubt it.
If the inside game improves, what I said will happen is going to happen. We'll go from a fringe top 25 team and move closer and closer to a top 10 team where we thought we might be coming into this season. The problem is, that kind of improvement needed to take place in the off-season. It is what it is now. I don't see it getting much better at this point. I hope it does, but I doubt it.
I agree the off season would have been optimal. However telling Ellis to turn and shoot without putting the ball on the ground would solve two problems at once. Reduce turnovers and likely increase his points.
I think Evans would help to solve the other problem as he continues to improve. More minutes from him equals less minutes from KJ and maybe a few less from Shaq. That reduces turnovers and gives us a scoring threat at all levels which will help with offensive flow. He doesn't seem to get flustered either.
I agree the off season would have been optimal. However telling Ellis to turn and shoot without putting the ball on the ground would solve two problems at once. Reduce turnovers and likely increase his points.
I think Evans would help to solve the other problem as he continues to improve. More minutes from him equals less minutes from KJ and maybe a few less from Shaq. That reduces turnovers and gives us a scoring threat at all levels which will help with offensive flow. He doesn't seem to get flustered either.
I agree, but if Ellis hasn't learned to turn and shoot after 5 years, it probably isn't going to happen. Clark also needs to step his game up too. He seems to disappear against better competition.
I'm sure Mick has heard complaints about lack of player development, which is why I think he'll be hesitant to bench a 5th year redshirt senior in favor of a freshman. Mick is stubborn. Besides, Shaq hasn't played that bad. A few years ago, everyone in here wanted Guyn benched in favor of Caupain. There may have been more justification for a change then and Mick didn't do it. Plus Guyn out-played Caupain down the stretch. I doubt you'll see him make the change this year either.
Everybody stats should be up with 30sec clock. Other teams stats against us this year are up also. I'm going with eye test
Yes everybody's stats should be up. We average 8 more possessions and more impressively 16 points which means we are more efficient so far. However, if you break it down there is only 1 player accounting for more of those increased points this year than Clark or Ellis per 40 minutes and that is Cobb. The whole team has played against the same cupcakes and schedule. DeBerry was already highly effective at scoring with his minutes last year so I don't fault him too much for not improving that. Their rebounds as a group are up more than their points so no complaints there.
Also, besides Cobb's improvement from 3, the difference between Sanders and Evans is significant. Per 40 minutes of basketball Evans has Sanders by around 7.5 points. I just hope we can get Ellis going...he passes up at least 1 open ten footer per game to settle for a turnover. That's two more points the team can have. He can knock down 50% of those...I would take that.
I agree, but if Ellis hasn't learned to turn and shoot after 5 years, it probably isn't going to happen. Clark also needs to step his game up too. He seems to disappear against better competition.
I'm sure Mick has heard complaints about lack of player development, which is why I think he'll be hesitant to bench a 5th year redshirt senior in favor of a freshman. Mick is stubborn. Besides, Shaq hasn't played that bad. A few years ago, everyone in here wanted Guyn benched in favor of Caupain. There may have been more justification for a change then and Mick didn't do it. Plus Guyn out-played Caupain down the stretch. I doubt you'll see him make the change this year either.
I would say that's a coaching issue that could be changed at any point in time. If he doesn't do as told...pull him out for DeBerry. I don't think Mick has addressed it sufficiently or it wouldn't be happening so often.
As for Evans, I'm afraid you're right, I'm not sure we will see him starting this year as Mick has said it's not important who starts. I disagree with Mick on that point. I could potentially agree with him if we had a 6th man who was just as good as our 5th man or vice versa.
I would say that's a coaching issue that could be changed at any point in time. If he doesn't do as told...pull him out for DeBerry. I don't think Mick has addressed it sufficiently or it wouldn't be happening so often.
As for Evans, I'm afraid you're right, I'm not sure we will see him starting this year as Mick has said it's not important who starts. I disagree with Mick on that point. I could potentially agree with him if we had a 6th man who was just as good as our 5th man or vice versa.
Well, we have had some very poor starts this year, so there may be more justification than ever to change something at the start of games.
Team lacking toughness. Your not beating NOBODY playing prevent up 8 with 4min to go or having team best player suck life out offense bringing ball up court. Go back to 10 deep Mick and live with mistakes
We certainly looked a lot better when we had the 10 man rotation. Since Mick tightened the rotation up against Southeast Louisiana, things haven't looked as good since. I realize he used it against the cupcakes. I would have liked seeing the 10 man against some better competition.
Team lacking toughness. Your not beating NOBODY playing prevent up 8 with 4min to go or having team best player suck life out offense bringing ball up court. Go back to 10 deep Mick and live with mistakes
We don't have 10 players who are ready to play. We have 7 maybe 8.
You can live with mistakes out of players with names like Napier...but not with players who turn the ball over half as much as they score.
As for Troy walking the ball up...that is a coaching issue. In the beginning of the season Mick was screaming at Troy to push the ball. Now Troy looks over for plays and Mick is no longer screaming.
Well, we have had some very poor starts this year, so there may be more justification than ever to change something at the start of games.
When we plugged in Cobb at the end of the year last year starting with Caupain I though we played some of our best ball. I can only imagine the same thing would happen this year if we plugged in Evans to start. There is a reason almost every team in the country (NBA, HS, and NCAA) starts their best 5 players. Sure there are exceptions but for the most part you are most effective with your best 5 players on the court.
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We don't have 10 players who are ready to play. We have 7 maybe 8.
You can live with mistakes out of players with names like Napier...but not with players who turn the ball over half as much as they score.
As for Troy walking the ball up...that is a coaching issue. In the beginning of the season Mick was screaming at Troy to push the ball. Now Troy looks over for plays and Mick is no longer screaming.
I'm not even sure why Troy feels the need to look to Cronin to call a play...they basically run an open motion offense with no real structure. On top of it, Troy is a junior and should be capable of running the offense without his hand being held.
We don't have 10 players who are ready to play. We have 7 maybe 8.
You can live with mistakes out of players with names like Napier...but not with players who turn the ball over half as much as they score.
As for Troy walking the ball up...that is a coaching issue. In the beginning of the season Mick was screaming at Troy to push the ball. Now Troy looks over for plays and Mick is no longer screaming.
I think we did have 10 guys ready to play. They were developing nicely.....until we suddenly got into a tight game against Southeast Louisiana, and Mick decided to go away from the rotation. When he lost confidense in those players, they seemed to lose confidense in themselves. Their play deteriorated as their minutes decreased. Teams like Xavier and West Virginia stayed with their deep rotations and it has worked. Mick tried something else and now we're in battles every game.
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If we do go primarily with a shortened rotation, 10 PPG won't cut it for our main guys.
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From watching some of the top rated teams this year. I really haven't seen that one standout dominate team out there. Lots of good teams but everyone is beatable. If we can continue to correct some of our problems as we navigate through the Conference schedule we have a shot to make a run. Getting back to playing hard nosed defense every position and taking better care of the ball would help immensely. This team has demonstrated with their flaws they can play with top 10 teams. I really think the cats have yet to hit their peak.
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I agree with this, where right there. Honestly I think iowa st has looked as good as any team out there, i was very impressed with them they could play, and we went blow for blow with them and should have pulled it outFrom watching some of the top rated teams this year. I really haven't seen that one standout dominate team out there. Lots of good teams but everyone is beatable. If we can continue to correct some of our problems as we navigate through the Conference schedule we have a shot to make a run. Getting back to playing hard nosed defense every position and taking better care of the ball would help immensely. This team has demonstrated with their flaws they can play with top 10 teams. I really think the cats have yet to hit their peak.
I think we did have 10 guys ready to play. They were developing nicely.....until we suddenly got into a tight game against Southeast Louisiana, and Mick decided to go away from the rotation. When he lost confidense in those players, they seemed to lose confidense in themselves. Their play deteriorated as their minutes decreased. Teams like Xavier and West Virginia stayed with their deep rotations and it has worked. Mick tried something else and now we're in battles every game.
IMO it is more likely they just aren't quite ready for significant minutes in bigger games (against stiffer competition) rather than their play deteriorating by reduced minutes. There was a discussion about this very thing potentially happening after we watched a scrimmage and an exhibition game. I do agree confidence plays a factor in how you play but the player also has to instill confidence in the coach that they can handle it. They've both had plenty of moments to show the coach what they are capable of both good and bad.
That being said I hope to see more of Jenifer because Troy could use more of a rest. We have different ways of subbing for Clark with a DeBerry/Ellis combination or playing smaller with Shaq. Clark is going to get 30 minutes anyway. I would not play Moore any more than spot minutes in close games...he's not ready for the big time yet.