Offensive Performance

[WAITE HOYT 2]

We have Kyle and Gary for 1 more year. Let's not waste it. Take some 3's,sure, but not 30.! This year needs to be different!

Flash Gary to the high post.

Ky le played a bad game and his minutes were given to Brooks who played very well Gary had a double double. How is that wasting them. We won by 30. Cut down on TO's,sharpen up the defense and improve out transition up tempo offense and we will be fine. All and all about what I expected for our first game playing a new style with TC not on the floor.

 

[Jon Rycek]

Ky le played a bad game and his minutes were given to Brooks who played very well Gary had a double double. How is that wasting them. We won by 30. Cut down on TO's,sharpen up the defense and improve out transition up tempo offense and we will be fine. All and all about what I expected for our first game playing a new style with TC not on the floor.

Exactly while we may have brought back a ton of guys, when didn't bring back our main ball handler. There is gonna be a transition period, especially since Troy had such a specific way of playing.

 

[waterhead]

I'm not sure if Williams made a 3 since the red and black game. He's probably around 50-60 percent on his 2s though (guessing). He's got my green light to drive... I would hold him back on 3s just a little.

In two exhibitions and one game Williams is 0-7 from three but shooting over 57 percent shooting 2s.

I actually think many of his 3s have been very close kind of in and out type shots. His confidence is great but when you can get to the rack like he can... I would limit the 3s.

 

[justinhub2003]

Offensive was absolutely FINE by all measures,

Sure we had a 20 TO's but we played in a game with 92 possessions which is bat shit crazy for a high major team. For Context Xavier has never played in a 90+ possession game with Matt, Mack nor Miller coaching, nor has wichita state played a 90+ possession game with Marshall as the coach.

This was a glorified rec ball game and just like the pickup games I play, their is a lot of sloppy TO's from the pace of play.

We were extremely productive at 1.16 points per possession. And our Defense was also extremely production at .84 points per possession.

IMO TO's get cut down by 4 if Evans returns to his normal ball protecting self and averages just 1 TO a game, Then factor in that cane will not play at this pace the rest of the season and IMO that eliminates at least 2 turnovers. So were down to 14.

14 is still high but again, some of those were caused by extreme pace we simply will not play again.

IMO we end up averaging 11-12 TO a game and I personally can live with that if we faster and more productive on offense.

 

[A_O]

Offensive was absolutely FINE by all measures,

Sure we had a 20 TO's but we played in a game with 92 possessions which is bat shit crazy for a high major team. For Context Xavier has never played in a 90+ possession game with Matt, Mack nor Miller coaching, nor has wichita state played a 90+ possession game with Marshall as the coach.

This was a glorified rec ball game and just like the pickup games I play, their is a lot of sloppy TO's from the pace of play.

We were extremely productive at 1.16 points per possession. And our Defense was also extremely production at .84 points per possession.

IMO TO's get cut down by 4 if Evans returns to his normal ball protecting self and averages just 1 TO a game, Then factor in that cane will not play at this pace the rest of the season and IMO that eliminates at least 2 turnovers. So were down to 14.

14 is still high but again, some of those were caused by extreme pace we simply will not play again.

IMO we end up averaging 11-12 TO a game and I personally can live with that if we faster and more productive on offense.

Solid stats Justin! You prompted me to look up our avg TOs per game over the past seven seasons of having tournament teams. They are (from 2016-2017 back to 2010-2011): 10,11,13,11,13,11,11.

End of the day you know that Mick is going to prioritize getting that number as close to ten as possible. As he said on the postgame interview, "You can't rebound a turnover."

 

[waterhead]

Offensive was absolutely FINE by all measures,

Sure we had a 20 TO's but we played in a game with 92 possessions which is bat shit crazy for a high major team. For Context Xavier has never played in a 90+ possession game with Matt, Mack nor Miller coaching, nor has wichita state played a 90+ possession game with Marshall as the coach.

This was a glorified rec ball game and just like the pickup games I play, their is a lot of sloppy TO's from the pace of play.

We were extremely productive at 1.16 points per possession. And our Defense was also extremely production at .84 points per possession.

IMO TO's get cut down by 4 if Evans returns to his normal ball protecting self and averages just 1 TO a game, Then factor in that cane will not play at this pace the rest of the season and IMO that eliminates at least 2 turnovers. So were down to 14.

14 is still high but again, some of those were caused by extreme pace we simply will not play again.

IMO we end up averaging 11-12 TO a game and I personally can live with that if we faster and more productive on offense.

Yah...I guess this was not really a team turnover issue. 2 players had 11 of the 20. I'm not worried about Evans. Cane only played 20 minutes and had 6 turnovers. If that happens again I would expect Jenifer to start the next game.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

In two exhibitions and one game Williams is 0-7 from three but shooting over 57 percent shooting 2s.

I actually think many of his 3s have been very close kind of in and out type shots. His confidence is great but when you can get to the rack like he can... I would limit the 3s.

I am not putting any limits on his game. If he is taking good shots and not forcing things I say fire away. Watching his shot it is not a bad looking shot. it will start falling. Let the kid play.

 

[UCBearcats]

We won't play another game like the one we played on Friday for a long time. All that team does is run and try to control the tempo, they pressed on MISSED shots which I've never seen before in my entire life.

Season doesn't start until the Caymans, but if you're looking for something to over-analyse between now and then look at tonight's game or Thursday's game. Friday's game was an aberration.

 

[justinhub2003]

In two exhibitions and one game Williams is 0-7 from three but shooting over 57 percent shooting 2s.

I actually think many of his 3s have been very close kind of in and out type shots. His confidence is great but when you can get to the rack like he can... I would limit the 3s.

I think making some 3's will open up his drive game even more. All his shots looked good and then bounced out.


He starts making some 3's and then teams can't sag off him.

 

[JasonS]

I am not putting any limits on his game. If he is taking good shots and not forcing things I say fire away. Watching his shot it is not a bad looking shot. it will start falling. Let the kid play.

I agree. The key is shot selection. If they are open, in rhythm, fire away. If not, try to get to the rim which he can definitely do. I'm not losing sleep or changing my perception of any player on this team (positive or negative) based on one game.

 

[cincrulz11]

I am not putting any limits on his game. If he is taking good shots and not forcing things I say fire away. Watching his shot it is not a bad looking shot. it will start falling. Let the kid play.

if you get the right angle you can see its a bit sideways. of course that doesn't mean it can't work, there have been plenty of good shooters that didn't look good doing it.

 

[waterhead]

I am not putting any limits on his game. If he is taking good shots and not forcing things I say fire away. Watching his shot it is not a bad looking shot. it will start falling. Let the kid play.

Perhaps I didn't word that right. I don't want to limit him...I want him to do MORE of what he seems super good at. I've been very impressed with Keith so far. He is fun to watch and incredibly athletic. Extremely good at driving and seemingly always under control when he gets to the rim.

Even his 3's are all very close to going in. I think he has taken most of them in pretty good flow without forcing. I think he can pressure a defense most with his driving though. His 3's will fall...I am not worried about that.

 

[waterhead]

if you get the right angle you can see its a bit sideways. of course that doesn't mean it can't work, there have been plenty of good shooters that didn't look good doing it.

His release is not good but the shot in the air looks really good. Rotation and loft etc. He's just been a couple inches off on many of his 3's...but his drives are most impressive to me. Cumberland uses that running floater a lot (with precision) when he gets in the lane. Keith seems to be able to get all the way to the rack and body under control when he does. I'm just really impressed with that part of his game so far.

 

[cincrulz11]

His release is not good but the shot in the air looks really good. Rotation and loft etc. He's just been a couple inches off on many of his 3's...but his drives are most impressive to me. Cumberland uses that running floater a lot (with precision) when he gets in the lane. Keith seems to be able to get all the way to the rack and body under control when he does. I'm just really impressed with that part of his game so far.

he's got a slashers game but we'll see what happens when he gets inside vs teams with actual bigs.


the thing that caught me off guard from the scrimmage is Moore actually takes it to the rim harder. He just went right at whoever was in there. Williams has more, I'm not sure what the right word is, grace maybe.

 

[waterhead]

he's got a slashers game but we'll see what happens when he gets inside vs teams with actual bigs.


the thing that caught me off guard from the scrimmage is Moore actually takes it to the rim harder. He just went right at whoever was in there. Williams has more, I'm not sure what the right word is, grace maybe.

I would probably reverse what you just said. We will see if Moore can do it with actual bigs in the game. Including the scrimmage it looks like Trevor is 2-8 in two point attempts in 4 outings. Keith is 22 of 38. There is no comparison between the 2...not even in the slightest. KJ could probably get to the rack 8 times in 4 outings and make 2 of them...but 38 times and make 22? I don't think so.

That being said I hope Trevor keeps putting up open 3's...that's his game. Keith is superior at driving without a question. You can't get there that often without going hard to the rack.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Anyone care to explain how we got Trevor Moore out of Texas? Why was he not a Top 100 player? Mind boggling. Great job by Savino on him. Really looks like a legit player. Good athlete too. And like everyone else on the team, he's competitive.

 

[cincrulz11]

I would probably reverse what you just said. We will see if Moore can do it with actual bigs in the game.

I wasn't trying to imply Moore was a better driver, he is not a guy thats going to get to the rim. But when he decides to take it, its full steam ahead the whole way. It was hilarious to watch. He didn't care who he was going at, it was get there or die trying.

 

[cincrulz11]

And I will add it was refreshing to see a guy just take it right at a big. I feel like we have a tendency to try to contort our bodies around the big and we often dont get fouls called because of it. So many drives the past few seasons have ended up with us on the ground but no foul and we kinda put ourselves down there.

 

[cincrulz11]

Anyone care to explain how we got Trevor Moore out of Texas? Why was he not a Top 100 player? Mind boggling. Great job by Savino on him. Really looks like a legit player. Good athlete too. And like everyone else on the team, he's competitive.

not an explosive athlete. thats basically all the top 100 is about. being a fundamentally sound player gets you nowhere in the rankings.


same reason Gary was rated below so many players he was clearly better than.

 

[waterhead]

I would probably reverse what you just said. We will see if Moore can do it with actual bigs in the game. Including the scrimmage it looks like Trevor is 2-8 in two point attempts in 4 outings. Keith is 22 of 38. There is no comparison between the 2...not even in the slightest. KJ could probably get to the rack 8 times in 4 outings and make 2 of them...but 38 times and make 22? I don't think so.

That being said I hope Trevor keeps putting up open 3's...that's his game. Keith is superior at driving without a question. You can't get there that often without going hard to the rack.

Keith has not only attempted more 2 point shots but has also made more 2 point shots than any player on our team through 4 outings. That includes every BIG on our team including the starters.

As a frosh...I am trying to figure out who doesn't think this is extraordinary? He's making 57-58 percent of them!!