Yeah Leal trimmed his list down to IU and Stanford. He is pretty much an IU lock. Scrubb would be nice but I read in an article not too long ago, and it had a quote from his dad saying that he might declare for the draft after this year. Can't remember the last time someone was drafted straight from JUCO.
Galloway gone now too. IU. That’s okay we tried. I would not bet on Scrubb or Loveday.
Anyway it doesn’t hurt to offer and get them on campus. Most of the offers I have seen are pretty solid even if they don’t have 4 stars. I see some 3 star guys I would take before some of the 4 star guys.
Sounds like we offered Gabe Madsens brother (Mason) in what would seem to be a strong push to get Gabe.. So the staff must be really high on Gabe or thinking we may not have a great shot at some of the other wing offers. Gabe's brother is a mid major level recruit (right now) but I don't think he would be too far off of a guy like Trevor Moore who didn't have a lot of high level offers. Maybe he has some upside but at least he could be a role player toward the end of the bench.
I was thinking we would try to get a couple of wings and a couple of bigs for 2020...so this would fill both wing spots. At 6'3 and 6'4 I would like to see another inch or two but who knows.
Again, there must be a high level of confidence that Gabe Madsen will be a star. Or Brannen thinks he has already done enough with guys like Woods, Davenport and Harvey and just needs 1 more very good wing. Of course Madsens brother Mason could end up improving to the point he is also very productive.
My other thought is that this move could put some pressure on another wing who doesn't have a lot of high D1 offers yet. Basically putting them into a position where they feel they need to make a decision sooner than later or no wing spots will be available anymore.
I'm seeing anywhere from 6'4" to 6'6" for Gabe Madsen. let's call it 6'5" which I think is plenty of size for a wing.
It seems like he has been (and is) a major priority for the staff which makes even more sense with the offer to his brother. Outside of Scrubb (who is a no brainer) he could be very high on the wing list...maybe even the next highest to SCrubb.
The question becomes...since Scrubb will be entertaining NBA potentially after this season...that even if Scrubb does commit to UC (a longish shot with UL also in the mix) he could be a "one and doner" type. Would we rather 3-4 years of a high caliber Madsen or 1-2 years of a higher caliber Scrubb?
I say lock down Madsen because the overall program value would be higher than the short term value for Scrubb. I would take either one but I would hope to get a couple years out of Scrubb (which would be up in the air). It's possible that there could be a 3 year difference in the amount of use we can get between the two if Scrubb would leave after 1 and Madsen was here for 4.
While I don't think you can really go wrong...my opinion is always take the best talent you can get. So if Scrubb is the better talent, I'd take him for 1 year. If you take the best talent each year you are in the best position. Now - I guess if the 2021 wing class is light, could be a reason to do something different. Glad I'm not the coach and he has to worry about all that!
I'm guessing height is one difference, a few inches makes a big difference. Mason also seems to be less able to create his own shot. He could still be a solid backup PG and maybe eventually a starter.
Gabe looks like a solid four year starter, potentially a star as an upperclassman.
I'm not sure the 2-for-1 is worth it though. Seems like we should be able to get a 150ish rated player without needing to take on a 300+ rated player as well. I know a lot of people love Brannen's recruiting, but to me it still doesn't look any better then Cronin's, and our best recruits (if we get Gabe/Mason) are a guy with legal troubles that kept teams away and a guy whose desire to play with his brother kept some teams away.
The other big concern I have is the lack of quality bigs. As I've consistently said, skilled big men are the hardest guys to recruit. We've gotten two 7' transfers (Vogt/Sorolla) who look rather unimpressive. Our tallest freshman recruit is a 6'7" SF. If Mason/Gabe commit it would leave us with 2 scholarships remaining for next year. With only 2 guys over 6'7" on the roster for next year (Diarra/Vogt), I'd hope both scholarships get used on bigs.
I know others aren't concerned about our lack of bigs as I am, so hopefully I am proven wrong. I feel like I've seen too many games where a P5 team with a pair of quality bigs can just dominate a mid-major team that lacks size on the inside.
Both Gabe and Mason Madsen look like good ball handlers and decent outside shooters. They still have a lot of scheduled visits besides UC, so hard to say how it will fall. Gabe certainly looks like some of the players Brennen has recruited in the past. I'd say he'd be a good four-year kid, not an impact player right away, but he has all the tools to make his mark.
Not clear why Mason isn't as highly regarded, as their skill set seems really similar, but I'll have to trust the recruiting scouts on that one.
I'm guessing height is one difference, a few inches makes a big difference. Mason also seems to be less able to create his own shot. He could still be a solid backup PG and maybe eventually a starter.
Gabe looks like a solid four year starter, potentially a star as an upperclassman.
I'm not sure the 2-for-1 is worth it though. Seems like we should be able to get a 150ish rated player without needing to take on a 300+ rated player as well. I know a lot of people love Brannen's recruiting, but to me it still doesn't look any better then Cronin's, and our best recruits (if we get Gabe/Mason) are a guy with legal troubles that kept teams away and a guy whose desire to play with his brother kept some teams away.
The other big concern I have is the lack of quality bigs. As I've consistently said, skilled big men are the hardest guys to recruit. We've gotten two 7' transfers (Vogt/Sorolla) who look rather unimpressive. Our tallest freshman recruit is a 6'7" SF. If Mason/Gabe commit it would leave us with 2 scholarships remaining for next year. With only 2 guys over 6'7" on the roster for next year (Diarra/Vogt), I'd hope both scholarships get used on bigs.
I know others aren't concerned about our lack of bigs as I am, so hopefully I am proven wrong. I feel like I've seen too many games where a P5 team with a pair of quality bigs can just dominate a mid-major team that lacks size on the inside.
I would go with two freshmen bigs. 2020-21 is looking like a down season, currently we will have 7 players or are freshmen/sophomores in 20-21 and only 4 upperclassmen. 2 of those upperclassmen (Moore, Vogt) are guys who haven't looked very good at this point in their careers.
We already saw this year that quality grad transfer bigs are hard to get. It would be nice to add a freshman PF who can contribute immediately (would presumably be Prince's backup). A grad transfer PF is also an option, but if 20-21 is a down year, than it's better to give playing time to younger players.
Traynor is an interesting prospect and a guy I'd definitely take. He has the offensive skills to be a major threat. But his lack of weight and experience playing down low is concerning. Seems like a guy who will RS and hopefully the potential will pay off in a a couple years. I'm not sure his rating will stick, with the way he shot up, I could easily see him dropping back to the 100-150 range.