Roster for next season

[coachpipe]

and outside of Gardner and Dieng not a true post up 5 among them. Thanks for making my point. Either rebounding and defensive specialist or face up players that score off put backs.

Yea but still all of these guys can make layups and post someone up. JJ simply has proven that he cant do either of these. I get your point that you dont need a conventional 5. But whoever you put in that role you have to get some production out of. Or it will be the same as this year and we will be running 4 on 5.

JJ is better served as being the energy guy that comes off the bench first. Thats when he has always played his best

If you look at most of JJs blocked shots, they arent from being backed down and then stuffing the ball in someones face. They are running someone down and blocking it from behind. And I hate to say it...some of his blocked shots happen because he gets burnt on D or is in bad positioning and again hate to use this term..but gets lucky to be able to recover and get that block.

I just feel JJ when he does have those games where he gets a bunch of blocked shots. He then goes down the floor and gives the ball right back, which inturn cancels out his great defensive stop because they got the ball right back. But other than all of that, the guy cant stay out of foul trouble

 

[bearcat jeff]

Yea but still all of these guys can make layups and post someone up. JJ simply has proven that he cant do either of these. I get your point that you dont need a conventional 5. But whoever you put in that role you have to get some production out of. Or it will be the same as this year and we will be running 4 on 5.

JJ is better served as being the energy guy that comes off the bench first. Thats when he has always played his best

If you look at most of JJs blocked shots, they arent from being backed down and then stuffing the ball in someones face. They are running someone down and blocking it from behind. And I hate to say it...some of his blocked shots happen because he gets burnt on D or is in bad positioning and again hate to use this term..but gets lucky to be able to recover and get that block.

I just feel JJ when he does have those games where he gets a bunch of blocked shots. He then goes down the floor and gives the ball right back, which inturn cancels out his great defensive stop because they got the ball right back. But other than all of that, the guy cant stay out of foul trouble

If Strickland doesn't provide it, UC does not have a space eater or a big capable of starting and contributing unless someone improves drastically in the offseason. That's just a fact. So to put the best team you can on the floor you go with 2 4's who can rebound which is Lawrence and Rubles and you push and run and make the other team match up to you.

 

[coachpipe]

No I said Lawrence and Rubles will play if Strickland isn't ready.

you still need or want someone who CAN play with his back to the basket. Rubles cant. he is a wing and plays like it. And Lawrence has been said to be in the same boat..loves floating around the perimeter but doesnt back anyone down and doesnt play with his back to the basket. We get what your saying..you dont need a conventional 5. but you still need someone who can fill the role without making it a liability

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

ONE MORE TIME YOU DEAF IDIOT...You are bringing up JJ...YOU! My point is you don't need a true post up 5. You're trying my patience.

Deaf idiot. Go F##k yourself. Someone disagrees with you and there a idiot. Hide behind your computer and insult people. Whats next I get banded for disagreeing with you.

 

[coachpipe]

I think what im simply saying is we are just in a tough postion without having a true 5 or for that matter a true 4. And JJ might be an answer and sadly might be one of the only ones we have...but that is simply a liability and it sucks that we are in this position...Who would have thought people would be saying..man i wish we had yancy back...when he was here he was said to be overrated..well now that he is gone he was certainly underrated

 

[Cataclysmo]

Gardner backed him down constantly in that game. He can't defend good big post up players. Not even close. we won that game because marq. was god awful shooting the ball in first half.

Maybe im mistaken, but i specifically remember cringing when JJ had to play the 5 due to the foul trouble of the bigs and then being suprised when he played well.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

What we don't have simply if Strickland can't provide it is a guy who can physically do the job of rebounding,defending,scoring or just refusing to get pushed out of the paint. All 190 lbs of Jackson ain't capable of providing any of that. Could care less if he is able to post up or not. He will be overmatched at the 5 and put the team at a disadvantage because he is playing out of position. He offers very little at the 4.

 

[cincycpaw]

You do not need a post up 5 to win, so long as you are getting easy baskets by driving and getting to the basket and can hit the 3.

What you do need is someone with some size (not just height) that can bang down low, defend the few true 5's there are, and rebound.

Just like when Duke won the NCAA tournament with Brian Zoubek.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Maybe im mistaken, but i specifically remember cringing when JJ had to play the 5 due to the foul trouble of the bigs and then being suprised when he played well.

I cringe whenever he is on the floor. An occasional blocked shot don't make up for lack of boards,To's and stupid fouls that usually accompany is minutes on the floor.

 

[Cataclysmo]

If Nyrasuk has a development such as Cheik Mbodj did this year then we will be fine. We don't need scoring, just someone who can score.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

You do not need a post up 5 to win, so long as you are getting easy baskets by driving and getting to the basket and can hit the 3.

What you do need is someone with some size (not just height) that can bang down low, defend the few true 5's there are, and rebound.

Just like when Duke won the NCAA tournament with Brian Zoubek.

I agree and JJ is not that guy.

 

[cincycpaw]

I agree and JJ is not that guy.

Most certainly not.

 

[coachpipe]

And one of the biggest things a guy who can play the 5 (being able to body up, post up and play with his back to the basket) brings to your team is keeping the defense honest. Not allowing them to cheat. SK had a few bad shot attempts every game because the D could cheat because there was zero need to guard the post. They knew they wouldnt attempt a shot and would try and kick it back out..and when they did attempt the layups, most of the time they missed them

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Mick tends to talk up his incoming recruits, but for this class I am actually excited to see the increase of skill level. This will be similar to the 2010-11 team in that there won't be a huge drop off between the starters and the next two or three guys off the bench unlike the last two years. I think UC will press much more than they have the past two seasons. I know Mick has said year after year that we will finally see an up tempo/pressing style. I think this team will be the closest to that.

 

[waterhead]

I am a realist who generally looks at things optimistically. That said I don't have a lot of high hopes for next year given that we will have a lot of inexperienced talent. I think below is a likely lineup for a good portion of the year...

Guyn
SK
Thomas
Rubles
JJ

I wouldn't bet my money on that team making the dance. I expect Lawrence will be getting some playing time and given what we have at the 1 and 5 spots I can see 2 other frosh getting some serious minutes. If we aren't going to make the dance I would rather put the less experienced but more talented in the game to get them ready for the following season. I can easily see Johnson and Strickland getting minutes. Mormon may have to wait a year till SK is gone (he might get a red shirt). I don't know what to expect out of Caupain.

 

[JasonS]

I am a realist who generally looks at things optimistically. That said I don't have a lot of high hopes for next year given that we will have a lot of inexperienced talent. I think below is a likely lineup for a good portion of the year...

Guyn
SK
Thomas
Rubles
JJ

I wouldn't bet my money on that team making the dance. I expect Lawrence will be getting some playing time and given what we have at the 1 and 5 spots I can see 2 other frosh getting some serious minutes. If we aren't going to make the dance I would rather put the less experienced but more talented in the game to get them ready for the following season. I can easily see Johnson and Strickland getting minutes. Mormon may have to wait a year till SK is gone (he might get a red shirt). I don't know what to expect out of Caupain.

I am willing to go on record right now saying this team makes the NCAA Tourney next year.

 

[waterhead]

Speaking of redshirts. I like the idea of red shirting a guy because he has obvious skills and potential but there is someone experienced ahead of him likely to get most of the minutes. SK and Thomas for example. What I am not a big fan of is red shirting a guy like Gaines. He's either going to learn the game and "get it" quickly or it is not going to happen in 4 or 5 years. There is no sense in taking up a roster spot for 5 years on "projects".

I don't see Mormon as a project. In fact his physicality is probably most ready of all the freshman coming in.

 

[waterhead]

I am willing to go on record right now saying this team makes the NCAA Tourney next year.

I most certainly hope you are correct!

 

[waterhead]

I am really excited about the potential of the following year's lineup.

Johnson/Davis/Caupain
Mormon/Davis/Caupain/new guy
Thomas
Lawrence/new guy
Strickland

 

[TheLongHaul]

ONE MORE TIME YOU DEAF IDIOT...You are bringing up JJ...YOU! My point is you don't need a true post up 5. You're trying my patience.

Jeff this whole damn argument was about playing JJ at the 5. That's great, the Miami Heat don't play a 5, go discuss that on their boards before calling someone else an idiot....

For those of you saying JJ can and will play the 5, you'll probably also be the first to blame the lack of a big man on the reason they aren't good. Wasn't that the issue this year? Are you now blaming Mick because he played Mbodj and David at the 5 and not JJ this past year?