Roster for next season

[Bearcat_NTS]

ONE MORE TIME YOU DEAF IDIOT...You are bringing up JJ...YOU! My point is you don't need a true post up 5. You're trying my patience.

I was banned for nearly a year for a sarcastic personal attack, yet you are allowed to make these kinds of remarks? You should be banned.

 

[JasonS]

Jeff this whole damn argument was about playing JJ at the 5. That's great, the Miami Heat don't play a 5, go discuss that on their boards before calling someone else an idiot....

For those of you saying JJ can and will play the 5, you'll probably also be the first to blame the lack of a big man on the reason they aren't good. Wasn't that the issue this year? Are you now blaming Mick because he played Mbodj and David at the 5 and not JJ this past year?

Depends on style of play. This team couldn't press for a number of reasons. You can't play undersized and be successful unless you can dictate the tempo of the game to benefit you. If this team is pressing the entire year, like Mick wants, then the lack of a back to the basket player is not as noticeable. If you can't play up tempo and have to play in the half court, like this year, it becomes extremely important. Mick wants to play up tempo. If he can do that, JJ at the 5 makes perfect sense and can work. Very few teams in college basketball have back to the basket threats in the post. The ones that do tend to lose them to the NBA quickly. The fact that the style in the NBA showcases tall, athletic players with ball skills (think LeBron, Bosh, Durant, Melo, Dirk, etc) and it is obvious why there aren't as many kids coming to the college game playing in the post. They all want to handle the ball, shoot the three and drive to the hoop. You have to make do with what is available and what you have. Pressing is the great equalizer and can win you a National Championship.

 

[TheLongHaul]

You still think Mick wants to press non-stop and play up tempo? How many years has he been here and he still hasn't done it. Maybe leaving the Big East will change things but I'll believe it when I see it. Mick stresses not turning the ball over and playing fundamental man-to-man defense. It's what he does.....Even so, pressing isn't the great equalizer. Very few teams utilize it succefully. UL is one but they were also great in the half court. Presses are pretty easy to beat and when they do, then what? You have JJ trying to guard someone that is much taller and stronger. Not only will he not be able to defend the player but he won't be able to rebound either.

Not only that, I could live with smaller lineup and sacrifice some defense if that player was good on offense. JJ is a complete liability on offense. At least Mbodj was a good defensive player this past year. JJ isn't very good on either end.

 

[JasonS]

You still think Mick wants to press non-stop and play up tempo? How many years has he been here and he still hasn't done it. Maybe leaving the Big East will change things but I'll believe it when I see it. Mick stresses not turning the ball over and playing fundamental man-to-man defense. It's what he does.....Even so, pressing isn't the great equalizer. Very few teams utilize it succefully. UL is one but they were also great in the half court. Presses are pretty easy to beat and when they do, then what? You have JJ trying to guard someone that is much taller and stronger. Not only will he not be able to defend the player but he won't be able to rebound either.

Not only that, I could live with smaller lineup and sacrifice some defense if that player was good on offense. JJ is a complete liability on offense. At least Mbodj was a good defensive player this past year. JJ isn't very good on either end.

Yes, I do. When have we had a team that could successfully do that? Mick thought maybe this year but Cash couldn't take the beating. We weren't as deep this year as Mick had hoped. I expect the team to get out and run this year.

Rebounding is about position and effort, not size. JJ rebounding is not directly affected by guarding a bigger player. If you want a rebound enough, you'll get it. I can't believe you actually wrote that considering we had four years to watch a guy that epitomizes effort in Jaquon Parker. You're better than that.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Depends on style of play. This team couldn't press for a number of reasons. You can't play undersized and be successful unless you can dictate the tempo of the game to benefit you. If this team is pressing the entire year, like Mick wants, then the lack of a back to the basket player is not as noticeable. If you can't play up tempo and have to play in the half court, like this year, it becomes extremely important. Mick wants to play up tempo. If he can do that, JJ at the 5 makes perfect sense and can work. Very few teams in college basketball have back to the basket threats in the post. The ones that do tend to lose them to the NBA quickly. The fact that the style in the NBA showcases tall, athletic players with ball skills (think LeBron, Bosh, Durant, Melo, Dirk, etc) and it is obvious why there aren't as many kids coming to the college game playing in the post. They all want to handle the ball, shoot the three and drive to the hoop. You have to make do with what is available and what you have. Pressing is the great equalizer and can win you a National Championship.

Jason hate to be a debbie downer but this team isn't winning a title with JJ playing the post. Worst situation for this team is that he turns out to be our best option. In 3 years he has demonstrated very little in the way of IQ as well as skills and apparently work ethic. He is a sub. Pressing doesn't make up for lack of talent. The newcomers will need time to catch up to D1 play defensively as well as offensively. I'm sure Mick wants to play uptempo because if you don't you won't do well in the recruiting game either. Most players want to play run and gun. Its fun. Fact is unless we get much improvement out of Thomas and Rubles the newcomers will need to play very well immediately. That said I expect that to happen.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Yes, I do. When have we had a team that could successfully do that? Mick thought maybe this year but Cash couldn't take the beating. We weren't as deep this year as Mick had hoped. I expect the team to get out and run this year.

Rebounding is about position and effort, not size. JJ rebounding is not directly affected by guarding a bigger player. If you want a rebound enough, you'll get it. I can't believe you actually wrote that considering we had four years to watch a guy that epitomizes effort in Jaquon Parker. You're better than that.

Jason, positon and effort are certainly important but if the guy your playing is 40 lbs heavier and giving the same effpot as you it makes a huge difference. Size is a big advantage especially when trying to get position. Parker was able to negate his size disadvantage by creating a mismatch offensively against his bigger opponents. JJ does not have that skill set. Not even close. if JJ is required to play lots of minutes for us we are in trouble.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I was banned for nearly a year for a sarcastic personal attack, yet you are allowed to make these kinds of remarks? You should be banned.

bearcat-NTS, really no need for anyone to get banned. We all lose our tempers on occasion. I actually found it comical.His comment "your trying my patience" was hillarious. I'm sure he regrets the situation. I mean really here is a guy sitting behind a keyboard writting your trying my patience. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TheLongHaul]

Yes, I do. When have we had a team that could successfully do that? Mick thought maybe this year but Cash couldn't take the beating. We weren't as deep this year as Mick had hoped. I expect the team to get out and run this year.

Rebounding is about position and effort, not size. JJ rebounding is not directly affected by guarding a bigger player. If you want a rebound enough, you'll get it. I can't believe you actually wrote that considering we had four years to watch a guy that epitomizes effort in Jaquon Parker. You're better than that.

Are you serious? "You're better than that"...ha ha. Have you ever played basketball before? I'm serious with this question. Some of the stuff you say is pure fluff. Rebounding is about position and effort, not size? Yea right. It's just a coincidence that the best rebounders in history are bigger players, right? I mean seriously? Sure position and effort help, but it's absurd to say it isn't about size. Somehow I recall many people questioning Yancy's effort but yet he always led the team in rebounding.

So Cash couldn't take the beating this year. What about last year? There has always been an excuse for why they don't do it. It's b.s. They don't do it because Mick hates turnovers and pushing the ball leads to more turnovers. UC has always had one of the slowest teams since Mick has gotten here.

And we weren't as deep as Mick expected but you think they'll be deeper next year why? Because they lose their 4 year starter at PG, their starting SF, and their starting C but yet they'll be deeper this year? I can't even figure out who is going to be the PG this year because no one on the current roster has proven they are capable but yet they'll be deeper. I guess if you say so.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Are you serious? "You're better than that"...ha ha. Have you ever played basketball before? I'm serious with this question. Some of the stuff you say is pure fluff. Rebounding is about position and effort, not size? Yea right. It's just a coincidence that the best rebounders in history are bigger players, right? I mean seriously? Sure position and effort help, but it's absurd to say it isn't about size. Somehow I recall many people questioning Yancy's effort but yet he always led the team in rebounding.

So Cash couldn't take the beating this year. What about last year? There has always been an excuse for why they don't do it. It's b.s. They don't do it because Mick hates turnovers and pushing the ball leads to more turnovers. UC has always had one of the slowest teams since Mick has gotten here.

And we weren't as deep as Mick expected but you think they'll be deeper next year why? Because they lose their 4 year starter at PG, their starting SF, and their starting C but yet they'll be deeper this year? I can't even figure out who is going to be the PG this year because no one on the current roster has proven they are capable but yet they'll be deeper. I guess if you say so.

The LongHaul there is a reason gamblers don't reccommend betting on their hometown or favorite teams. The reason is your objectivity may be clouded because you want them to do well so badly. I'm afraid some on thei site can't except that. This team will need its returning players to step their games up and the newcomers will need to hit the ground running.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

bearcat-NTS, really no need for anyone to get banned. We all lose our tempers on occasion. I actually found it comical.His comment "your trying my patience" was hillarious. I'm sure he regrets the situation. I mean really here is a guy sitting behind a keyboard writting your trying my patience. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1.) You have 666 posts, kinda weird

2.) I don't like hypocrats which is what Jeff is right now

 

[Cataclysmo]

bearcat-NTS, really no need for anyone to get banned. We all lose our tempers on occasion. I actually found it comical.His comment "your trying my patience" was hillarious. I'm sure he regrets the situation. I mean really here is a guy sitting behind a keyboard writting your trying my patience. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's not threatening you from behind a computer, he's telling you that you are annoying him.

 

[JasonS]

Are you serious? "You're better than that"...ha ha. Have you ever played basketball before? I'm serious with this question. Some of the stuff you say is pure fluff. Rebounding is about position and effort, not size? Yea right. It's just a coincidence that the best rebounders in history are bigger players, right? I mean seriously? Sure position and effort help, but it's absurd to say it isn't about size. Somehow I recall many people questioning Yancy's effort but yet he always led the team in rebounding.

So Cash couldn't take the beating this year. What about last year? There has always been an excuse for why they don't do it. It's b.s. They don't do it because Mick hates turnovers and pushing the ball leads to more turnovers. UC has always had one of the slowest teams since Mick has gotten here.

And we weren't as deep as Mick expected but you think they'll be deeper next year why? Because they lose their 4 year starter at PG, their starting SF, and their starting C but yet they'll be deeper this year? I can't even figure out who is going to be the PG this year because no one on the current roster has proven they are capable but yet they'll be deeper. I guess if you say so.

I don't know that they are deeper...yet. For one, we don't know our final roster yet. Two, we don't know if there will be any injuries that come into play. I do know that this team didn't have Cash, JJ, and JDIII for several games. That in and of itself suggests this team will have more depth this year.

 

[JasonS]

It was just announced that Eli Carter received his release from Rutgers today. Now that is a player I would be interested in.

 

[TheLongHaul]

I don't know that they are deeper...yet. For one, we don't know our final roster yet. Two, we don't know if there will be any injuries that come into play. I do know that this team didn't have Cash, JJ, and JDIII for several games. That in and of itself suggests this team will have more depth this year.

No it doesn't. Sheer numbers doesn't equate to depth. If the backups aren't talented enough than they aren't deep. Right now UC has one player that has played any minutes at PG and even that wasn't a lot of minutes. No one else has played any minutes. And Guyn is known for fouling. What happens when they try to press and Guyn gets in early foul trouble? To me that is another "reason" they won't press....Though it still doesn't matter in the context of the argument. Teams break presses all the time and when they do it would force JJ to defend and rebound against a taller, bigger player and JJ has proven he can't do that.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

He's not threatening you from behind a computer, he's telling you that you are annoying him.

gee I hate that. I mean considering I post here to get his approval. Lol.

 

[JasonS]

No it doesn't. Sheer numbers doesn't equate to depth. If the backups aren't talented enough than they aren't deep. Right now UC has one player that has played any minutes at PG and even that wasn't a lot of minutes. No one else has played any minutes. And Guyn is known for fouling. What happens when they try to press and Guyn gets in early foul trouble? To me that is another "reason" they won't press....Though it still doesn't matter in the context of the argument. Teams break presses all the time and when they do it would force JJ to defend and rebound against a taller, bigger player and JJ has proven he can't do that.

We will agree to disagree. Minutes at a position really don't bother me. Production is what is concerning. No one knows what we will get out of the 1 or 5 spots. There is plenty of time for someone to step up and produce. It happens all the time in college basketball.

 

[Scheids21]

Well there's 5 minutes I can't get back...

 

[bearcat jeff]

bearcat-NTS, really no need for anyone to get banned. We all lose our tempers on occasion. I actually found it comical.His comment "your trying my patience" was hillarious. I'm sure he regrets the situation. I mean really here is a guy sitting behind a keyboard writting your trying my patience. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I'd like to apologize. I get frustrated when people continue to respond to something I never said and argue a point I never made.

 

[bearcat jeff]

I am willing to go on record right now saying this team makes the NCAA Tourney next year.

I'm on record with you.

 

[waterhead]

I really really really want them to make the tourney EVERY year. Here is the issue I am having right now. Our weakest two positions (at the moment) are the 1 and the 5. That's not exactly where you want to be weak. As we found out last year you can't hide that problem at the 5. Now with several combo guards you can probably get by without a great point guard but it certainly isn't optimal.

I think Thomas will be a better fit than Parker (even though I loved Parker). We still have Rubles and we are going to add Lawrence so that should be an improvement. SK will be SK.

Personally I hope Davis wins the PG position or Johnson. I also hope Strickland wins the 5 spot. That could only mean we will have improved if they beat out the assumed starters. If both happen...I think we will have a pretty good team. If only one of those happens I think we can sneak into the dance. If none of those happens...Lawrence and Thomas are going to have to have very good seasons IMO.