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No. No one on earth thinks it except you. Cobb averages one foul a game. Did you read that? One foul a game. So you are telling me they don't start him because they think someone that averages one foul a game might get into foul trouble?

But of course why not start DeBerry in case Clark and Ellis get in to foul trouble. Especially since they are more likely to. Why? Because it's a stupid idea.
Long haul you may disagree with my thought but That doesn't make it wrong or stupid. Your analogy of clark.ellis and DeBerry is not apples and apples.
 
Long haul you may disagree with my thought but That doesn't make it wrong or stupid. Your analogy of clark.ellis and DeBerry is not apples and apples.

Starting DeBerry over Clark or Ellis would be a stupid idea. You didn't say that though. We all know that Cobb doesn't not start because of foul trouble.
 
Lol. Around and around we go...
Jason just so you understand I have know issue disagreeing with the coaching staff on some things. In this particular issue I would do exactly the same thing.

Here is something to ask yourself. If it was such a clear cut slam dunk why are two Coaches operating so different then how you see it.
 
I think it's easy to say "well, they can't score so they have to win by playing defense, rebounding and hitting free throws". Isn't that EVERY team? Plus, why do we just accept that they can't score as if it's not something that's correctable? Caupain has a nice looking stroke and can get to the rim. Cobb is effective at hitting that little mid-range jumper at the elbow. Ellis has a nice looking game from 8 feet in. DeBerry has a decent hook shot. Sanders is an excellent cutter. Clark is effective down low when he chooses and he and Ellis both have shown some skill at passing from the high post. Find ways to utilize the skill sets of these players on the offensive end.
 
Guys do you think the reason it hasn't happened is because they do manage around the possibility. Again no coach in ameririca lets his players pick up 3 fouls in first half. Nor do they put them in position to do so. Is it that hard for you to understand the Coach has weighed his options and decided that He can still get Cobb major minutes and safe guard the PG position by subbing him rather then start him? He also may think that what he would get as opposed to what he risked is not a good option.That is why you don't see it happening. Using a stat to support your position that a coach will not allow to happen in first place is not a good

You do know you can start two people and play them until there is at least
SOME inkling that foul trouble is becoming a risk?? Even if you think that number is 1 foul in the first half...you can still start them together until that happens.

If it were me I would sit Troy at 2. I would sit Cobb at 2 unless Troy had 2. Then you have 2 options if they both get 2. #1 it's likely late in the half so you can play Cobb with 2 hoping he doesn't get 3 (remember Caupain has played the entire second half lots of times already). Option #2 finish out the last minute or two of the first half with someone like KJ (not optimal but this is just an emergency 2 minutes).

Again...this is such an extremely unlikely scenario that it's really a non issue.
 
I think it's easy to say "well, they can't score so they have to win by playing defense, rebounding and hitting free throws". Isn't that EVERY team? Plus, why do we just accept that they can't score as if it's not something that's correctable? Caupain has a nice looking stroke and can get to the rim. Cobb is effective at hitting that little mid-range jumper at the elbow. Ellis has a nice looking game from 8 feet in. DeBerry has a decent hook shot. Sanders is an excellent cutter. Clark is effective down low when he chooses and he and Ellis both have shown some skill at passing from the high post. Find ways to utilize the skill sets of these players on the offensive end.
Doogle we are 2/3's through the season what we are now is probably what we are going to be this year. also going by what Chad has said that they do work on offense. When you play a grind it out slow it down limit possessions you get low scoring games. I also think our D-1 inexperience for our team also shows itself often. I have always been of the opinion that if we made the dance this year and our youngsters grew it would be a successful year. Still of that mind.
 
Numbers

At the risk of becoming a "numbers junkie" I'd like to boil it down to a few simple numbers:


Shooting % FT % Rebounds Turnovers
KJ .349 .677 32 37

FC .381 .813 61 27


Why are these guys playing even close to equal minutes? If instead of 50/50, the split is more like FC 75/25, I think it's a better team and we aren't NIT fodder.

(This is the point where the universe smacks me in the head, KJ goes off for 28 against X, beating them on a last second steal & dunk) One can always dream....I like cold hard stats.
 
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At the risk of becoming a "numbers junkie" I'd like to boil it down to a few simple numbers:


Shooting % FT % Rebounds Turnovers
KJ .349 .677 32 37

FC .381 .813 61 27


Why are these guys playing even close to equal minutes? If instead of 50/50, the split is more like 75/25, I think it's a better team and we aren't NIT fodder.

You don't need numbers to prove KJ shouldn't be nothing more than a guy who plays 5min in first half to give guys rest.
 
At the risk of becoming a "numbers junkie" I'd like to boil it down to a few simple numbers:


Shooting % FT % Rebounds Turnovers
KJ .349 .677 32 37

FC .381 .813 61 27
Cobb rebounding ball is huge. Tells me he wants to get it and run. Something a team that struggles to score 20 in 20min is mind boggling we don't run all time
 
Just put the best players out there and let them play basketball. It isn't rocket science. There is no reason why we should have to grind out a game in the 40s against bottom feeders with the caliber athletes we have. The coaches need to loosen their grip and let these kids play. Guys like KJ and Sanders have to be in the absolute perfect position to make a positive play. Stop thinking so much and go play. Our guys have been playing their whole lives, but they're so mind f%$#+ed BC we have to try to be so perfect in executing half court sets. That style doesn't sync up with our personnel. Remember when we scored like 96 in the Bahamas? I know that was against a crap team, but I'm convinced we're at the point that we couldn't even score that much against no defense. Just play the game. No one has to compute a physics equation to get a shot off. Our kids have been coached out of their natural basketball ability. We have such weird rules that we always have to think. If you get a rebound, dribble the ball up the floor, throw an open outlet pass, something. We just get a rebound and stand there for 3 seconds until everything clears out BC we HAVE to get it to the PG. These guys aren't built to execute a low possession game like Wisconsin. I've been the first one to be hard on guys like Shaq, but we absolutely do not put guys like him in a position to succeed. Remember in the old Big East where it was "score 70 and we win"? Slowly we have slipped to " just score 60" and now we have lost 3 games while allowing 50 or less in regulation. Someone said it the other day...that Missouri NCAA game a few years back is the perfect style for Cincinnati basketball. And we have the type of players to still play that way, but it has become so ingrained that every game is a "rock fight" that we play to that mentality and it is frustrating as hell. I've heard people say "well we play a slow pace"...but is that really a good idea when you have guys like Shaq, Morman, Ellis, Clark, etc? No, it isn't IMO. Just go out there and play the game. The slow possession by possession stuff is what teams with no players do. We have players, but we aren't using them correctly. We are so scared of what might happen if we open things up that we go the safe route and let the KJ and Sanders types get 27+ minutes regardless of what kind of production they're actually giving the team. Drives me nuts. Pick up the pace and just play the freaking game. Rant over.
 
Just put the best players out there and let them play basketball. It isn't rocket science. There is no reason why we should have to grind out a game in the 40s against bottom feeders with the caliber athletes we have. The coaches need to loosen their grip and let these kids play. Guys like KJ and Sanders have to be in the absolute perfect position to make a positive play. Stop thinking so much and go play. Our guys have been playing their whole lives, but they're so mind f%$#+ed BC we have to try to be so perfect in executing half court sets. That style doesn't sync up with our personnel. Remember when we scored like 96 in the Bahamas? I know that was against a crap team, but I'm convinced we're at the point that we couldn't even score that much against no defense. Just play the game. No one has to compute a physics equation to get a shot off. Our kids have been coached out of their natural basketball ability. We have such weird rules that we always have to think. If you get a rebound, dribble the ball up the floor, throw an open outlet pass, something. We just get a rebound and stand there for 3 seconds until everything clears out BC we HAVE to get it to the PG. These guys aren't built to execute a low possession game like Wisconsin. I've been the first one to be hard on guys like Shaq, but we absolutely do not put guys like him in a position to succeed. Remember in the old Big East where it was "score 70 and we win"? Slowly we have slipped to " just score 60" and now we have lost 3 games while allowing 50 or less in regulation. Someone said it the other day...that Missouri NCAA game a few years back is the perfect style for Cincinnati basketball. And we have the type of players to still play that way, but it has become so ingrained that every game is a "rock fight" that we play to that mentality and it is frustrating as hell. I've heard people say "well we play a slow pace"...but is that really a good idea when you have guys like Shaq, Morman, Ellis, Clark, etc? No, it isn't IMO. Just go out there and play the game. The slow possession by possession stuff is what teams with no players do. We have players, but we aren't using them correctly. We are so scared of what might happen if we open things up that we go the safe route and let the KJ and Sanders types get 27+ minutes regardless of what kind of production they're actually giving the team. Drives me nuts. Pick up the pace and just play the freaking game. Rant over.

I said we should play style Mick ALWAYS tell fan base to every year to get tickets sold. That's why I hate stats.little things like not knowing how to rebound and dribble or hit outlet man immediately. We play like a unorganized rec team. Guys scared to make mistakes again. I'm sticking with it, either Mick or LD military style has lost team.
 
Just put the best players out there and let them play basketball. It isn't rocket science. There is no reason why we should have to grind out a game in the 40s against bottom feeders with the caliber athletes we have. The coaches need to loosen their grip and let these kids play. Guys like KJ and Sanders have to be in the absolute perfect position to make a positive play. Stop thinking so much and go play. Our guys have been playing their whole lives, but they're so mind f%$#+ed BC we have to try to be so perfect in executing half court sets. That style doesn't sync up with our personnel. Remember when we scored like 96 in the Bahamas? I know that was against a crap team, but I'm convinced we're at the point that we couldn't even score that much against no defense. Just play the game. No one has to compute a physics equation to get a shot off. Our kids have been coached out of their natural basketball ability. We have such weird rules that we always have to think. If you get a rebound, dribble the ball up the floor, throw an open outlet pass, something. We just get a rebound and stand there for 3 seconds until everything clears out BC we HAVE to get it to the PG. These guys aren't built to execute a low possession game like Wisconsin. I've been the first one to be hard on guys like Shaq, but we absolutely do not put guys like him in a position to succeed. Remember in the old Big East where it was "score 70 and we win"? Slowly we have slipped to " just score 60" and now we have lost 3 games while allowing 50 or less in regulation. Someone said it the other day...that Missouri NCAA game a few years back is the perfect style for Cincinnati basketball. And we have the type of players to still play that way, but it has become so ingrained that every game is a "rock fight" that we play to that mentality and it is frustrating as hell. I've heard people say "well we play a slow pace"...but is that really a good idea when you have guys like Shaq, Morman, Ellis, Clark, etc? No, it isn't IMO. Just go out there and play the game. The slow possession by possession stuff is what teams with no players do. We have players, but we aren't using them correctly. We are so scared of what might happen if we open things up that we go the safe route and let the KJ and Sanders types get 27+ minutes regardless of what kind of production they're actually giving the team. Drives me nuts. Pick up the pace and just play the freaking game. Rant over.
Doesn't help when TC be literally scared to push ball up court. if he doesn't want to play pg I don't need him on my team. Already bad enough he's scared to shoot
 
Doesn't help when TC be literally scared to push ball up court. if he doesn't want to play pg I don't need him on my team. Already bad enough he's scared to shoot

The coaches want Troy more agressive and he needs to be. I want him and Ellis taking 12-15 shots a game and agressive toward the basket. I want Clark taking 8-10 and Cobb taking 8-12.
 
The coaches want Troy more agressive and he needs to be. I want him and Ellis taking 12-15 shots a game and agressive toward the basket. I want Clark taking 8-10 and Cobb taking 8-12.

Yes! I agree completely. How often do we have guys with double digit FG attempts? Doesn't anyone wanna shoot the ball? We literally have thousands of possessions every year, go get your shots up! The stars don't have to align to take a shot. That's why I like Morman and Cobb. They'll go out there and let it rip.
 
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