Rotation/Depth Chart

[Bulldog01]

Something serious is going on with team behind closed doors. Team went from having fun playing for each other now the guys on bench don't even get out of their seats for timeout.

Mick got jealous team was running and having too much fun.Suspending and benching guys isn't right thing to do middle of season. Know who your recruiting. If guys can't be in right spots in BASKETBALL how in the hell you think they go have success at major academic institution. Only way Mick is ever go to next level with this system if you recruit ONLY Ellis, Mormon type players. You can't win with passive players like Sanders and TC. Coaching is horrible at the moment.

 

[Bearcat22]

Something serious is going on with team behind closed doors. Team went from having fun playing for each other now the guys on bench don't even get out of their seats for timeout.

Seems a bit alarmist. Maybe it's just a young team figuring things out or adjusting to the intensity of late season play.

 

[Bulldog01]

Seems a bit alarmist. Maybe it's just a young team figuring things out or adjusting to the intensity of late season play.

Na. Team figured it out. We beat smu twice. Now losing to Tulane andb ECU?

 

[Bearcat22]

Na. Team figured it out. We beat smu twice. Now losing to Tulane andb ECU?

Lack of consistency and playing to the level of your opponent strikes me as a young team trying to figure things out. As Jay Bilas will say ad nauseam on selection Sunday, reasonable minds can differ.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I agree with most of what you have been saying Waite but I disagree on this one. They really haven't played all that much together this year (relative to what KJ and TC do). KJ and TC start the game and TC comes out about half way through each half for a short break. Cobb sits for the first 5 minutes of every half (usually) and then comes in. So the first 5 minutes and the 2.5 minutes that TC sits...(of each half)...they don't play together. That's 15 minutes per game of Cobb's 20 minute average. KJ probably plays 75% of his minutes with TC and Cobb about 25%.

Neither one of them are likely to get in foul trouble. Cobb hasn't had more than 3...TC has had 4 only twice. TC is the only one of the two we need to be really careful with anyway in terms of fouls. Fouling is a non issue. TC is better off the ball but has nobody to get him the ball when Cobb isn't in there. Our last game wasn't lost because of Cobb not starting but I would like to see Cobb and TC play a LOT more minutes together just to see what happens.

I have no issue playing Cobb and TC together more. If the game sets up that way fine. You don't need to start Cobb and risk foul issues to get him on the floor more with TC.

 

[Doogle]

Stop thinking of the OKC Russell Westbrook and the All-Star game Russell Westbrook, and think of the Russell Westbrook that was a 3-star recruit and had these numbers his first season:

3.4 ppg/0.8 rpg/0.7 apg

I think what Jacob was saying is that you never know how good a player might become if you simply unleash his talent and let him become the player he's meant to become.

Everyone wants to point out Mormon's mistakes, while mitigating the effect of KJ's indecisive, plodding style. I haven't made a single post lamenting the minutes Mormon is getting except to say he should be getting more. He's young, energetic, active, and engaged. He makes mistakes trying to make things happen. Seriously...how much worse could it be if you simply flip-flopped Mormon's minutes with KJ's? UC loses 3 games in which it gave up 50 points or less in regulation? Call me crazy, but it appears as if we're already there.

 

[TheLongHaul]

slow starts are not why we lost to Tulane,ECU, or Temple.

For starters, you do not know that. How you start a game is critical. Imagine if UC started the game on a big run against Tulane. What would that have done for the confidence of the players? What would it have done to the crowd? If affects way more than you are giving it credit to. A slow start often causes teams to be sluggish and it's tough to break out of that.

 

[coachpipe]

I cant judge a player(moorman, moore) based on his freshmen year. Not even his sophomore year(KJ,TC). Because to be honest, I did it with Parker and he came out his Junior and senior years swinging. I personally thought after his sophomore year he was awful and didnt belong. I heard Mick in a talk show speak before Parkers junior year saying he couldnt wait to have Parker back (think he had a hammy injury early his junior year) and the whole time I was thinking...are you F'in serious? Parker isnt going to do anything more this year than he did the previous 2 years. Well I was completely wrong, and now im cautious at judging a player before he gets that confidence and PT.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Stop thinking of the OKC Russell Westbrook and the All-Star game Russell Westbrook, and think of the Russell Westbrook that was a 3-star recruit and had these numbers his first season:

3.4 ppg/0.8 rpg/0.7 apg

I think what Jacob was saying is that you never know how good a player might become if you simply unleash his talent and let him become the player he's meant to become.

Everyone wants to point out Mormon's mistakes, while mitigating the effect of KJ's indecisive, plodding style. I haven't made a single post lamenting the minutes Mormon is getting except to say he should be getting more. He's young, energetic, active, and engaged. He makes mistakes trying to make things happen. Seriously...how much worse could it be if you simply flip-flopped Mormon's minutes with KJ's? UC loses 3 games in which it gave up 50 points or less in regulation? Call me crazy, but it appears as if we're already there.

Doogle,I don't think people are questioning Mormans attitude or aggressiveness on the floor. I also think we are confusing what works best as it applys to the make up of the team vs what we enjoy watching.We are not a fast paced,push the ball up the floor high tempo team. I love to see teams run the floor. Hell my favorite team was Majic and Showtime. College it was the Running Rebels. Quite frankly there isn't many teams in College playing that style period. Scoring is down accross the board. Its why they are always tampering with the rules. Putting things in perspective, what this team needs to do is Play D the way they did against SMU, Hit foul shots,Limit TO's and rebound the basketball. When we accomplish those things we usually win.Changing are style now is not going to get us in the NCAA. If increasing Mormans or Cobbs minutes will help us accomplish those things I'm all for it. My issue with starting Cobb which has nothing to do with his minutes is, he is our only reliable ball handler besides TC. One of them must be on the floor. They can both get big minutes without risking losing one or the other due to injury or foul problems. Morman is improving and on occasion he gives you the flash play but he also gives you the foul 50 ft from the basket, dribbles into traffic and TO the ball. Kj is every bit as inconsistent as Morman. Shaq is another Flash play and TO Machine. People want to know why we beat SMU, Sanders had the game of his career. The thing LD and Mick both understood was in order for this team to be effective offensively either Sanders or Shaq were going to have to give the team some offense from the 3. This hasn't happened on a regular bases. When it does we usually win especially when we are doing the other things like FT's,taking care of the ball and rebounding.

Please don't give me the Mick said we were going to play uptempo story. We have not the players to do it and if you want to make the Dance this year we won't be going to it now. And yes Mick is responsible for recruiting. If your not happy with the style or program I can understand. I'm not going to tell you what you should enjoy or how to spend your money. For me i'm satisfied with our progress and coach. Would I like to do better hell yea. I thnk we will continue to trend upward.I aslo think losing Mick as suddenly as we did has had a big negative impact on the Team. The one thing I can always hang my hat on with Mick's teams is they always played hard. Haven't seen that consistent effort since he has been gone. I think if you listen to the players in the post game you'll hear the same thing coming from them.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

For starters, you do not know that. How you start a game is critical. Imagine if UC started the game on a big run against Tulane. What would that have done for the confidence of the players? What would it have done to the crowd? If affects way more than you are giving it credit to. A slow start often causes teams to be sluggish and it's tough to break out of that.

You also don't know that starting Cobb would have guaranted that as well. You also don't know if we would have lost one to foul problems or starting Cobb would have prevented him form going 0 fer from 3 pt range.

What I do know is we shot 38% from foul line, missed every 3 pt attemt and were out rebounded big time leading to many second chance points.Those are facts.

 

[TheLongHaul]

You also don't know that starting Cobb would have guaranted that as well. You also don't know if we would have lost one to foul problems or starting Cobb would have provented him form going 0 fer from 3 pt range.

Actually I do know starting Cobb would not have guaranteed a big run. What I do know is what they are doing now isn't working. And it's pretty obvious that Cobb is the better player. And you are conveniently forgetting that the one game that Cobb started, UC and Cobb came out on fire.

Saying that Cobb needs to start on the bench because he has to backup Caupain shows a lack of understanding of basketball. Also, the saying that it doesn't matter who starts but who finishes is a cliche that needs to stop. It is 100% wrong.

 

[Bulldog01]

Also, the saying that it doesn't matter who starts but who finishes is a cliche that needs to stop. It is 100% wrong.

bingo it takes a special player to come off bench and embrace it. Especially hard when you have guys starting avg under 5points. If a guy starts but doesn't finish down stretch somethings wrong or you have couple specialists on bench(defensive stopper /3point).

 

[Bulldog01]

Lack of consistency and playing to the level of your opponent strikes me as a young team trying to figure things out. As Jay Bilas will say ad nauseam on selection Sunday, reasonable minds can differ.

Trying figure things out happen in Nov /Dec. it's almost march all our guys should play level older now. And quit freaking saying young team. Only one freshman plays big boy minutes. TC being youngest on team means nothing, he has played basically two full seasons now.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Stop thinking of the OKC Russell Westbrook and the All-Star game Russell Westbrook, and think of the Russell Westbrook that was a 3-star recruit and had these numbers his first season:

3.4 ppg/0.8 rpg/0.7 apg

I think what Jacob was saying is that you never know how good a player might become if you simply unleash his talent and let him become the player he's meant to become.

Everyone wants to point out Mormon's mistakes, while mitigating the effect of KJ's indecisive, plodding style. I haven't made a single post lamenting the minutes Mormon is getting except to say he should be getting more. He's young, energetic, active, and engaged. He makes mistakes trying to make things happen. Seriously...how much worse could it be if you simply flip-flopped Mormon's minutes with KJ's? UC loses 3 games in which it gave up 50 points or less in regulation? Call me crazy, but it appears as if we're already there.

Thanks Doogle! I'm glad not everyone thinks I'm nuts on this. Check this out...

KJ: 25 GP 22.8 MPG 51 FGM 2.04 FGM/G OR about 1 FGM every 11:12

Sanders: 25 GP 21.4 MPG 48 FGM 1.92 FGM/G OR about 1 FGM every 11:09

What kind of message does this send a guy like Morman? You wanna play over half the game here? You need to slow down!! Ya know, like Kevin and Jermaine.

I wish we wouldn't try so hard to play perfect basketball. Sometimes against Tulane/ECU, etc, you just need to go out and win with your talent. Let your players shine in an open gym style game. We're good enough defensively that no matter what, these guys on crap teams aren't going to be able to keep up with us. The coaches are taking all the fun out of it. These are young kids, they aren't perfect players. But you have to go let them play the way they are. We're going to be dealing with turnovers no matter what this year, so they might as well come from guys trying to do things at a high level. Or else, what's the point of recruiting the way we do?

 

[Bulldog01]

I cant judge a player(moorman, moore) based on his freshmen year. Not even his sophomore year(KJ,TC). Because to be honest, I did it with Parker and he came out his Junior and senior years swinging. I personally thought after his sophomore year he was awful and didnt belong. I heard Mick in a talk show speak before Parkers junior year saying he couldnt wait to have Parker back (think he had a hammy injury early his junior year) and the whole time I was thinking...are you F'in serious? Parker isnt going to do anything more this year than he did the previous 2 years. Well I was completely wrong, and now im cautious at judging a player before he gets that confidence and PT.

Parker was bottom of barrel recruit. Our guys now are top 150 it shouldn't take until mid junior year before you look like college basketball player. Moore and Mormon have skills right now just not best of systems and coaching. Parker really had to put a lot of EXTRA time in gym to be average player. He had right system and coaching. Moore and Mormon going to continue to look like shit until you open up playbook. Let em run loose...

 

[Bulldog01]

Thanks Doogle! I'm glad not everyone thinks I'm nuts on this. Check this out...

KJ 25 GP 22.8 MPG 51 FGM 2.04 FGM/G OR about 1 FGM every 11:12

Sanders 25 GP 21.4 MPG 48 FGM 1.92 FGM/G OR about 1 FGM every 11:09

What kind of message does this send a guy like Morman? You wanna play over half the game here? You need to slow down!! Ya know, like Kevin and Jermaine.

I wish we wouldn't try so hard to play perfect basketball. Sometimes against Tulance/ECU, etc, you just need to go out and win with your talent. Let your players shine in an open gym style game. We're good enough defensively that no matter what these guys on crap teams aren't going to be able to keep up with us. The coaches are taking all the fun out of it. These are young kids, they aren't perfect players. But you have to go let them play the way they are. We're going to be dealing with turnovers no matter what this year, so they might as well come from guys trying to do things at a high level. Or else, what's the point of recruiting the way we do?

I'll even start letting Mormon and Clark bringing ball up after rebound. It should be fun and rewarding to play defens. You stop em, grab rebound and go. If they score you call a play.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Actually I do know starting Cobb would not have guaranteed a big run. What I do know is what they are doing now isn't working. And it's pretty obvious that Cobb is the better player. And you are conveniently forgetting that the one game that Cobb started, UC and Cobb came out on fire.

Saying that Cobb needs to start on the bench because he has to backup Caupain shows a lack of understanding of basketball. Also, the saying that it doesn't matter who starts but who finishes is a cliche that needs to stop. It is 100% wrong.

It worked against SMU, UCONN and others on the schedule. But it won't work now if we don't rebound,make free throws and take care of the ball. My understanding of the game is fine. If you think starting Cobb is the cure all to what is ailing this team it may be you who is lacking in basketball understanding. By the way I'm not giving you any cliches. Have not said that once. I'm also not saying I wouldn't like to get off to a good strat in games. What I'm saying Is that is not the reason we are not playing well.

In the one game Cobb started did we win? Cobb is not just a back up to Caupain even though on this team that is a huge role considering how we Turn the ball over. It is also huge because of the style we play. Cobb is also a 2 guard that provides valuable minutes there as well. He has earned his minutes and fills both roles very well. He is far from what ails this team and his insertion into the starting line up is no gurantee we will be better for it if we don't fix the issues I mentioned as well.

 

[ucswais]

I know I'm in the minority on this one, but it's not hard to figure out. Cobb will start once he improves his half court defense.

IMO fans will always want the offensive player to get more minutes than he gets.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I know I'm in the minority on this one, but it's not hard to figure out. Cobb will start once he improves his half court defense.

IMO fans will always want the offensive player to get more minutes than he gets.

I think at this point we can afford to trade away some defense for a little offense. Plus, Cobb plays at the top of a matchup zone. It is almost impossible for poor defense from that spot to cost you a game.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Another quick point. In the game Cobb started he shot the ball well. We lead at half time 23-18. Hardly a fast start. In the game he had 4 turnovers and 2 assist.

Look I know everyone posting here wants the cats to do well. Certainly I do. My opinion is that to do that we need to get back to the things that made us successful this year. Good D, improved foul shooting and cut down on
TO's. If I thought Starting Cobb would accomplish all that I would be all for it. I like having a player with his versitility at my disposal.He provides good energy nad handles the rock as good as any other then TC. He is a huge part of the team. Fact is this team has much bigger issues then who is starting at the 2 guard.You could start him tomorrow but if we don't do a better job on the glass, defensively or at the foul line we will lose the game.